Full Tilt has ruined freerolls...

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This tournament is rather difficult to win...the first time I won took nearly 3 hrs....the 2nd was about 2hrs. You start with only 300 chips too...basically all-in or fold to start. I've won 2/4 times I've entered that one. It is turbo, but that even makes it more difficult to achieve a win with this one. GL if you try it!:D
there are good points here by wobble and the maid master. if you're going to freeroll on ftp, daily dollar freeroll, sat to the ferg fr, and tourney dollar fr. hope you're card dead until the big blind is at least 150...then love em and shove em. at least your chance of getting a buy-in to a real money tourney is better. i cashed a 2700 $100 tourney a few times and they all took 5+ hrs. i played longer than that in the us tourney and bubbled (that was the last time i played that btw, just isn't worth it). ftp is a depositor's site, and i did deposit there, and still freerolled because i only deposited $25 or something, like a retard, i'm still sitting on that roll, haha, plus a good handful of tournament dollars and such.

but ftp, the money buy-ins fill up fast enough, there's always an assload of people on...i mean, they're hoping that donk gets lucky and wins the freeroll, knowing he's just gonna blow it all to everyone who deposited anyway most of the time. if we're not doing turbo on there though, with a freeroll, i know i'm wasting my time...just to sit there for 5+ hrs to win $2 to get KK sucked out by 37o who called just cause it was his BB and he's got 12 more chips than me. who would have though 37K would be a bad flop for me? i guess a 33 turn/riv is no good for me. with that many ppl...there's at least a dozen ppl who have just had the night of their lives as far as poker will ever go for them.

if you want to consistently cash freerolls trying to build up a br to actually play something these days without a deposit, there's four sites. one is poker4ever, on the everleaf network i think it is...one is wsex (ooooh sexy)...ok...but these first two...good luck...GOOD LUCK finding anything to buy into with your new found money...really. full of freerolls and nothing to really work on playing with a lot of volume. then you have bodog. i did deposit there, two reasons, football, horses, and poker. but cashing a freeroll is slightly more possible than ftp....get yourself 2.20 and you've got an easy cash in their beginner sng's. its like a double or nothin that pays a little bit more for how you place, so if you get first, its a triple (minus rake). but carbon poker, by far, has been the easiest for me...and maybe its because i think i'm a decent sng player...i don't know. their sng freeroll system was key in building from nothing there...plus, if you're just trying to freeroll and enjoy yourself and have a good time, and not have to worry about knowing that if you go deep, you're looking at 5+ hours...then the sng's just seem like an easy idea...and there's enough action there to use your bank with at least.

but ftp...freerolls? turbos, tourney dollars or sats, whatever...turbos...save yourself the time....tourney dollars are good too.
 
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imo the freerolls are there to serve only one purpose - - marketting scheme to get players to deposit and play real $ games.
If you don't like playing in them, then why play? Why not just make a deposit on the site?
 
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Nice a 7500 player tourney that probably take like 8 hours+ and your expected value asuming no edge is like 2 massive cents.
I realize alot of people are just starting there rolls with these FRs but honestly why some one would bother with this one is beyond me.
You be much much better of tracking done some forum and affiliate FRs then play this(and the old structure aswell).
 
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Life sucks my wife sucks (not in years) freerolls suck, everything sucks, what sucks is playing in one of those donk fests and get AA on the bubble of cashing and get donked by a 54, but it was suited. Just beat ur kids and enjoy freerolls for what they are.
 
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Full Tilt, afaik, has never been a decent place for freerolls. Measly payouts for massive fields. Either deposit or find a different place to build up a roll from ground zero. Otherwise you're wasting your time.

Bodog has the best freerolls, I think. Hmm, do I wanna play for what, $150 against 7499 other people, or would I rather play for $500 against about 3000 people?
 
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Bodog has the best freerolls, I think. Hmm, do I wanna play for what, $150 against 7499 other people, or would I rather play for $500 against about 3000 people?

Where are these $500 freerolls?
Are they open to only players that have deposited ?

I open the client and see all kinds of private freerolls, but no "open / public" ones.
 
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.just to sit there for 5+ hrs to win $2 to get KK sucked out by 37o who called just cause it was his BB and he's got 12 more chips than me. who would have though 37K would be a bad flop for me?

Lol, I hear ya.

I sit there waiting for a hand, get AA, raise 4x, get called, flop is J2x, I bet, get re-raised, shove, and villain has J2o and takes it down :(

Fortunately it wasn't a "wait for 5 hours" situation, but just one of Carbon's SNG freerolls / 3 stage things .... at which I'm still 0/~100+ attempts !!!! (due to hands like the one above)
 
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I have to agree with you on this one :|
from 2700 to 7500 is totally wrong ekk
The extra 50$ doesn't mean much difference
If they increased it to 500$ or at least 300$ wold of been cool ..
I used to play them but now ... not so sure i will ^_^
 
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you need playing with a rabbits foot while chewing on a four leaf clover to get anywhere in a freeroll with 9000 entrants, playing well just doesnt cut it
 
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I'm not being funny but full tilts got a lot more going for it than 'the best reputation for freerolls' and i would think that their customer services dept places non depositing freerollers very very very low on the list of things they care about.

The site is giving all you tight arse frw's a chance to win FREE money how can you possibly complain about any aspect of the tournaments/structure when they are doing it off their own backs, and, considering the amount of money they make, really don't have to!

I don't understand why sites do so many freerolls anyways, i mean, besides from the odd handful that win a bit of cash, build it up, and end up being decent rake paying customers. When you think about it how much rake do freeroll players actually contribute to a site like fulltilt, on the grand scale of things, over their entire poker 'career', if you can call it that, not very much i would imagine, and with the extra strain that 20k+ people playing freerolls at a time puts on their servers i'm suprised they dont sack them off completely, or hold 1 a week or something, there's plenty of high rake paying regs that are whinging about the lagginess after the update, surely a solution to that would be to stop freerolls and take a bit of the strain off the system??

Anyways, back to the original point, all this fulltilt has ruined freerolls whine whine whine whinge whinge whinge, serves no purpose at all, they are a company at the end of the day and the only people they really care about are going to be the ones that pay them money and increase their profits.

I was half expecting somebody in this thread to write a reply in the vain of "i'm boycotting FT freerolls and never playing there again, who's with me", to be honest its the only reason i opened the thread and i'm very dissapointed so....

FT SUCK, I'M NEVER PLAYING FREEROLLS THERE AGAIN, WHO'S WITH ME??

Seconded!
If your gonna complain about the freeroll structure...how about making a deposit?
They have dropped from their $50 minimum deposit now, though i'm not sure if its $10 or $30 now. Even so, I'm sure most of the frw's could manage coughing up that much in a month?
Granted, a few people really cant afford to play in anything other than freerolls, but most just want summat for nowt! lol
 
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Oops, frw is a bit harsh actually...i've played my fair share when the coffers have been empty.
I do like the idea of copying Party pokers idea of using a miniscule amount of points to enter a freeroll though. Say 1 point (14cents of rake) to get into a $200 game? Keeps the numbers lower and opens it to mainly depositing players, or freeroll folk who've cashed one of the mammoth 7500 seat open-to-all games.
 
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Personally i feel that freerolls are for people that cant deposits. if u guys r working adult, y not juz deposit in $50. i occasionally play freeroll when i'm tilt or tired but still wanna play poker but dun wana risk my $$...
 
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Good points. I have no idea what to attribute Poker Stars success to. Maybe they have been around the longest or close to it? Maybe a lot of smart marketing and decision-making WRT to games/stakes offered, promos, ease of deposit/withdrawal internationally, customer service, etc?

Have a little confidence - you know exactly what to attribute their success to :p

Which is exactly my point. Stars have horrible freerolls, but they do all the other (vastly more important) stuff better and as a result they're the biggest site on the net.

Full Tilt are much the same. They put a ton of effort into things like cultivating their stable of sponsored pros and advertising their signup bonuses. Which is why I'm sure they couldn't give a toss what people think of their freeroll structures - they've put a lot of effort into being known as the site where you can "play with the pros", not being "OMG the best site for freerolls EVAR!!!!1!!!"
 
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Both PS and FT are getting greedy. They like to promote how great their sites are for learning poker, then make the freeroll trnies a complete joke with 10 k people. What ever, I'm pretty much done with online poker anyway. I still will play some of the micro stuff, but ONLY as cheap form of entertainment. I don't believe what I've seen lately at both the sites. I don't think it's poker anymore, it's turned into a challenge to beat the program now. But good luck anyway
 
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Both PS and FT are getting greedy. They like to promote how great their sites are for learning poker, then make the freeroll trnies a complete joke with 10 k people. What ever, I'm pretty much done with online poker anyway. I still will play some of the micro stuff, but ONLY as cheap form of entertainment. I don't believe what I've seen lately at both the sites. I don't think it's poker anymore, it's turned into a challenge to beat the program now. But good luck anyway
You know the difrence between buissness and charity, right?
Only reason FTP(and other sites) host these FR is so they can addvertise "Play with the pros on FTP,for free!" and attract new costumers that try FR and then hopefully deposit some money.

If every site had awsome FR no one would need to deposit and there by decreasing there profits massivly.


How does the old saying go? Beggers cant be choicers.

If your playing FRs your probably doing it mostly for entertainment purposes since the time that goes into many FR mean the can actualy be -ev(because the money earned in the space if time is so little that u better of working for less then min wage), so if your playing mostly for entertainment who cares if your playing against 2500 or 7500 people?
 
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Wow there are too many people now in these freerolls...2700 is so much better than 7500 or 10k people
 
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Yep, MM is right about the USA FR still on and it is more important now for "Ferguson BankRollers" to stick to the bankroll management suggestions Chris offers.
 
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Wow there are too many people now in these freerolls...2700 is so much better than 7500 or 10k people

But 2700 where only 1% of the field got paid was an awful structure too - so really all you're saying is that being kicked in the shins is better than being punched in the face.
 
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Those 10,000 player freerolls are insane

What I do like about FTP is their $100NZ fr that has around 600 players per night. Much better odds for those lucky enough to enter :)
 
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I could not agree with you more. U win a extra $3 by beating out another 4800 people. Not really worth the $. The US freeroll is almost as bad but u actually win $25 if u beat out all those people but either way u play for 5 + hrs to win hardly any $
 
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Did they change the size/speed of the blinds too?
 
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Last time I played it was 2700 MAX and first place won...well I don't remember how much, but this definitely sucks. Makes me wish I hadn't stopped playing. I haven't played a single hand in over a year, but made the 250 mark in the 10,000, but busted out at 147 for the turbo $150 7500 man freeroll. Feelin' good.

They are doing their best to make us all deposit (duh heheh), but the blind speed seems to be the same as far as i can tell! Cheap pricks. I bet bodog is next.
 
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