Finding poker Stars Tough

malice777

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I just cant seem to win anything at poker stars,I find the tourneys have wayy to many players (maybe if they had more and limit to smaller numbers it might help) 10,000 players or more to get through is just too tough for me,I do not think im a bad player,i have had a bit of success on party poker winning a couple of freerolls with 1500 players and finishing in the payline on quite a few occasions i have also won a few small buy in tourneys, but on poker stars no matter how well i think im playing i enevitably run in to that bad beat often just before the payout.
I think i am a fairly good sit and go player i have some success at them on other sites but agai at pokerstars i alwys seem to run in to bad beats at the wrong time..
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You must be talking about the freerolls if there are 10,000 people in it.
I do hear what you are saying though. I think that generally the players are better at PokerStars for their respected levels. Meaning someone in mid level games on Stars is probably equal to someone in the high levels at a smaller site.
The good thing is that it will make you a better player. What I would do is drop down until you find a level that you are comfortable with. Try SAGs, so you dont have to deal with the long fields of the big MTTs.
If you play ring games, stay away from the lowest limits, try to get into the next couple of steps up. The play down in the lowest is just crazy and it is nearly impossible to build any roll down there.
The main thing that you have to do is keep your head up and drive threw. I put 20 dollars on FTP for the 1 st time today and I have lost 3/4 of my roll already. lol It does happen, but if you play the game the way you are supposed to (meaning if you are normally a winning player, just keep playing your game) and it will turn around. (or I will go broke on FT and play only on Stars in my case lol).
 
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So I take it you just play freerolls? Because PokerStars has more real money tournaments than any other site so finding a smaller $ tournament that meets your needs shouldn't be hard.

Large turnouts in the freerolls is just a symptom of PS having more players than any other site.

I've cashed in several PS freerolls back when I was a freeroll whore. I think $1.25 was the most I've ever got. I remember a $.75 cash, and several minimum cashes ($.20?). So it's not impossible.

I had two ways of playing. I either tightened up and only played big hands early on, loosening up and playing "real" poker towards the ends when most of the over-aggressive people have been eliminated. Or I played super wild in the beginning, trying to either get a big stack of chips or bust out early.

The former got me in-the-money more than the latter.
 
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So I take it you just play freerolls? Because PokerStars has more real money tournaments than any other site so finding a smaller $ tournament that meets your needs shouldn't be hard.

Large turnouts in the freerolls is just a symptom of PS having more players than any other site.

I've cashed in several PS freerolls back when I was a freeroll whore. I think $1.25 was the most I've ever got. I remember a $.75 cash, and several minimum cashes ($.20?). So it's not impossible.

I had two ways of playing. I either tightened up and only played big hands early on, loosening up and playing "real" poker towards the ends when most of the over-aggressive people have been eliminated. Or I played super wild in the beginning, trying to either get a big stack of chips or bust out early.

The former got me in-the-money more than the latter.

I dont only play freerools i was using those as an example of the hge numbers i also play a lot of sit n goes both single and multi tables. i play freerolls purely as practice to try and improve my game, i dont thik anyone plays them for the money and the pokerstars one i play in dosnt have a cash prize. the most i have ever won on a freeroll was $30 on party poker and that was after over 3 hours playing.I am not knocking pokerstars just saying that i would like to gain some success there..
 
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I actually won a round 2 ticket today, when i was doing other stuff on the computer and playing in the background. Now to figure out when and how to use it...
 
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You must be talking about the freerolls if there are 10,000 people in it.
I do hear what you are saying though. I think that generally the players are better at PokerStars for their respected levels. Meaning someone in mid level games on Stars is probably equal to someone in the high levels at a smaller site. "

This is not what I have heard. People have told me the level is worse compared to other sites. Because of their advertising and branding by the pros' they attract many new players and therefore decrease the level.

If you start to play real money poker and earn points you get access to more attractive freerolls with less players.
 
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Poker stars has way too many people and all their tournaments seem to be satelites to other tourneys, comon do i really have to win 3 5000 person tourneys to win 100?
 
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If you start to play real money poker and earn points you get access to more attractive freerolls with less players.

The VIP freerolls you must mean? Those are about it...
 
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Its no good i just cant get a grip o the site,just deposited aother $50 bux and lost it in a cpl of hours mainly on sit and goes which i normally do ok at on other sites,im not a particularly aggressive player i never go all in pre flop and play tight when i need to but bad beats and unlucky rivers seem to be worse for me at stars than at any other site,i also played some 0.25/0.50 ring games which i usually do ok at on other sites but got nowhere there.. I know a lot of people on here seem to favour pokerstars but so far for me it is my worst site,ill perservere for a while though but will be limiting my deposits to $20 a week for now...
 
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I actually won a round 2 ticket today, when i was doing other stuff on the computer and playing in the background. Now to figure out when and how to use it...

Only 2 choices - Sat mornings or Sunday nooners for Round 2. I usually wait for the limit games since even the round 2's are heavy donkfests first hour in the NL games. The good thing is that you can choose when and which ones you play.

I still have 2 tics in the ticket bank. It takes patience, patience, patience - and some luck. It's also a little easier if you can play late at night. Fewer players, less donkfests.
 
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Its no good i just cant get a grip o the site,just deposited aother $50 bux and lost it in a cpl of hours mainly on sit and goes which i normally do ok at on other sites,im not a particularly aggressive player i never go all in pre flop and play tight when i need to but bad beats and unlucky rivers seem to be worse for me at stars than at any other site,i also played some 0.25/0.50 ring games which i usually do ok at on other sites but got nowhere there.. I know a lot of people on here seem to favour pokerstars but so far for me it is my worst site,ill perservere for a while though but will be limiting my deposits to $20 a week for now...

You're playing 50NL with a 50 dollar deposit? There's your problem, you're almost definitely going to go broke if you're playing with one buy in. You should be playing like .02/.05 at the most with $50 if you're going to be playing cash games.
 
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Its no good i just cant get a grip o the site,just deposited aother $50 bux and lost it in a cpl of hours mainly on sit and goes which i normally do ok at on other sites,im not a particularly aggressive player i never go all in pre flop and play tight when i need to but bad beats and unlucky rivers seem to be worse for me at stars than at any other site,i also played some 0.25/0.50 ring games which i usually do ok at on other sites but got nowhere there.. I know a lot of people on here seem to favour pokerstars but so far for me it is my worst site,ill perservere for a while though but will be limiting my deposits to $20 a week for now...

As Seany says, that's not good bankroll managment.


But, it sounds like you are the recreational type player if you're willing to put $20 a week into playing. If that's the case, then playing out of your initial deposit range isn't quite so bad, but playing at 0.25/0.50 is.

A recreational player shouldn't be playing any higher than the .05/0.10 tables at best at Stars; more like the 0.02/0.05 tables. Not only will it cost you less, but the level of play is more appropriate.

Same if you want to play Sit and Goes; start with the $1 ones and get a feel for how they play before trying to move up.
 
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The 1 good thing though about those tourneys where there is 10,000 players plus is they do tend to drop like flies and before you know it your past the bubble.
All it takes is 1 good run and you can make some serious ching ching for your little buy in.
Good bankroll and plenty of patience eventually you'll get a pay off i'm sure:)
 
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Odinscott or anyone....

Would you plase explain why you think this is so?...

If you play ring games, stay away from the lowest limits, try to get into the next couple of steps up. The play down in the lowest is just crazy and it is nearly impossible to build any roll down there.

What do you mean by 'play down'? Do you think the lowest level is so cheap, it's not much different that the donkfest play at freerolls? And do you think this concept applies to most other sites as well, or is it something about Poker Stars? Anyone feel free to chime in.

I usually play the lowest level (.01 & .02) at Ultimate, with 'a little ahead of break even' results. The play is usually akin to freerolls after most of the donks are gone, semi-tight. Haven't started at Poker Stars, but might as well use the $5 I got from freerolls. FWIW, like malice over here, I also have the worst luck at Poker Stars.
 
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I've started playing sngs at PS the last couple of weeks, and I have to say it's tough going. There are some real good players even at micro, but i find a lot of the players will play any 2 cards, call any raise, and go all-in if they catch any part of the flop. And the miracle cards on the river, wow, they hit so much more than other sites, it seems.
I've played sngs for 3 years now, micro stakes at lots of sites, and I consider myself pretty good at them, but Im really having to adjust my normal game at PS, to tighten up, and only call all-ins if I have the nuts and cant possibly be beat, because runner, runner and one outers hit too frequently for my liking.
And dont even start me on the ring tables.............
 
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Only 2 choices - Sat mornings or Sunday nooners for Round 2. I usually wait for the limit games since even the round 2's are heavy donkfests first hour in the NL games. The good thing is that you can choose when and which ones you play.

I still have 2 tics in the ticket bank. It takes patience, patience, patience - and some luck. It's also a little easier if you can play late at night. Fewer players, less donkfests.

I guess it is sat then. lol Maybe that ticket will just sit there...

Would you plase explain why you think this is so?...



What do you mean by 'play down'? Do you think the lowest level is so cheap, it's not much different that the donkfest play at freerolls? And do you think this concept applies to most other sites as well, or is it something about Poker Stars? Anyone feel free to chime in.

I usually play the lowest level (.01 & .02) at Ultimate, with 'a little ahead of break even' results. The play is usually akin to freerolls after most of the donks are gone, semi-tight. Haven't started at Poker Stars, but might as well use the $5 I got from freerolls. FWIW, like malice over here, I also have the worst luck at Poker Stars.

What I mean is that if you want to play against people that are not bluffing as much, that are playing quality hands and that are not playing "donkfest" poker like you call it, try a higher buyin.
I honestly can win at 1 cent 2 cent and probably win alot (according to the stakes). I mean something like 10 bb an hour... Probably more multitabling, lol. The problem is that if I move up even to 10 cent 25 cent, the level of play is alot better and I can win more faster.
Some people like to play in the 1 cent games, getting allin alot and trying to double up then double up then double up. I just prefer to play in a game that I can take it slower but steadier. 25 cent 50 cent is better yet and 50 cent 1 dollar is even better yet. Then when you get into the bigger games, everyone pretty much knows how to play.
I prefer to play in the higher games, where if someone calls with nothing, he was bluffing. For some reason when someone sucks out on me when they just got lucky and had no idea what they were doing that seems to half tilt me. lol I mean if i sit at 9 or 12 1 cent tables and buy into each at 3 dollars, I can probably double each of them after 1 hour. Really all you have to do is wait until you get AA or KK then shove. lolz Really that simple.
That is actually how i play those small stakes too, because 10 and 15 cent pots get killed by rake. and you get like 1/10th of an FPP. Not really worth it. I use my normal multi-tabling strategy squared.
What i do is fold everything except:
for monster pp - AA, KK, QQ maybe even JJ or 1010- which I shove preflop (you would be surprised how many people call, even if you play only one hand every 15 min and shove with it, most of them dont even notice... lol!)
pocket pairs 99 or lower - call and see the flop, if i hit a set i shove or if it is above top pair I min raise or shove. otherwise fold no matter what
AK, AQs, usually shove maybe see the flop for AQ or AJ - if i hit shove otherwise fold
A rags suited, try for flush otherwise fold

That is about it, no suited connectors, nothing really, and mostly down this low I shove with any hand that i think is the nuts because I almost always get a caller. If I have AK and an A comes on the flop, 99% of the time some guy with A rags called as well, so when I shove he calls...

This only works at micro stakes but for me is the only really reliable way to make any money down there. I cant play my normal game at these stakes for crap...
 
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I dont only play freerools i was using those as an example of the hge numbers i also play a lot of sit n goes both single and multi tables. i play freerolls purely as practice to try and improve my game, i dont thik anyone plays them for the money and the pokerstars one i play in dosnt have a cash prize. the most i have ever won on a freeroll was $30 on party poker and that was after over 3 hours playing.I am not knocking pokerstars just saying that i would like to gain some success there..
Sit N Go Strategy - A look into the strategy used in Texas Holdem Sit And Go Tournaments.
 
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Thanks for the lengthy reply...

The problem is that if I move up even to 10 cent 25 cent, the level of play is alot better and I can win more faster.

I mean if i sit at 9 or 12 1 cent tables and buy into each at 3 dollars, I can probably double each of them after 1 hour. Really all you have to do is wait until you get AA or KK then shove. lolz Really that simple.

I use my normal multi-tabling strategy squared.
What i do is fold everything except:
for monster pp - AA, KK, QQ maybe even JJ or 1010- which I shove preflop (you would be surprised how many people call, even if you play only one hand every 15 min and shove with it, most of them dont even notice... lol!)
pocket pairs 99 or lower - call and see the flop, if i hit a set i shove or if it is above top pair I min raise or shove. otherwise fold no matter what
AK, AQs, usually shove maybe see the flop for AQ or AJ - if i hit shove otherwise fold
A rags suited, try for flush otherwise fold

That is about it, no suited connectors, nothing really, and mostly down this low I shove with any hand that i think is the nuts because I almost always get a caller. If I have AK and an A comes on the flop, 99% of the time some guy with A rags called as well, so when I shove he calls...

This only works at micro stakes but for me is the only really reliable way to make any money down there. I cant play my normal game at these stakes for crap...

First off, 'shove' means all-in? Or maybe just higher that avg bet, like 5x blind? Funny, when I bet that infrequently, the table DOES seem to notice. They usually all fold. If someone DOES call my KK or QQ (2 possible overs) and an A-crap flops, he's likely got me beat. OR let's say (and a more common scenario), you have AK and the flop comes 9C-10C-3D (or god forbid 3C). He's possibly got a set or str8 or flush draw, and he KNOWS you didn't hit. You have either ONE high pair or NOTHING but ace high, or even KQ or QJ suited (you'd be amazed at how often I see all-in with this).

I realize the odds are still in your favor, and even though you will get cracked occasionally, you are not getting clobbered by blinds - time is on your side. I've read about this formula from some pro, and guess you can't argue with success. You'd probably agree that this strategy would not work at a SNG or freeroll where the blinds will eventually kill you.

In a freeroll or SNG, I LOVE suited connectors (is it wrong? lol), especially between the 7 - 10 range IF you can see them cheaply. There is the SAME odds of any cards coming on the flop. and while everyone else is clinging to their A5 and KJ, and folding their 83 (as they should), should you hit, you'll hit alone. Should you not, don't waste another cent. :)

Thanks again!
 
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Thanks!


Then disregard my first paragraph. Funny, I didn't want to sound like such noob, so did a quick search on 'poker terminology dictionary', found a couple glossaries but no 'shove' listed. :D
 
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dont worry bout it DB, there's lots of terms Im unaware of, and I used to not know what shove meant till i asked here, so Im just passing it on. Feel free to ask here, someone will know and tell you the answer.
 
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You 'PUSH' some of your chips into the pot, (as in 'push' the action)
You 'SHOVE' all of your chips into the pot. (so you don't shove some of your chips into the pot!)
 
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