After seeing yet another online poker is rigged thread I want to ask this WHY?

[brandofresh]

Exactly!


Also, it is VERY COMMON for NEWER players to start believing that poker is rigged. It's not til' they've either a) been around for awhile or b) actually got educated on variance.... learn what it's really about.

Personally I got annoyed with all of the garbage written and am glad a lot of it gets placed where it belongs (the MEGA THREAD).
I need to turn this thinking around and be grateful there are sooooo many bad players participating in the games these days (still) and that even when they think it's rigged against 'them' (for some reason... why not against others?).. they STILL play.

And don't you just love some of the conspiracy theories...
like how the site rewards donkeys so they'll continue to play & deposit.
Guess what... if the donks are rigged to win, they don't need to deposit, LOL (they forget that part though).
How does one become rated as a donk to begin with? Once they start winning due to bein' pegged by the co. as a donk.... don't their results then make it appear that they are no longer a donk... and then they'll have to be re-classified until they're once again losing enough to go back into the donk category. ... lol sooooo ridiculous!

I love it too when you get some guy(s) who attempt to speak all eloquently (< did I spell that correctly?) and try to suggest that it'd be soooooo easy to rig the software to favor certain players in certain spots., etc. And they often know (or are one themselves) some software engineer or some sh1te. What a load of crap! We actually used to have a regular poster on CC (dmorris) who dispelled that 'myth' regularly. His statements were that it'd be extremely difficult to do, especially to be able to do so and have it undetected.

AND.. don't you love it that soooo many of the rigged believers play an avg. buyin of 10 cents. Tell me how are they getting a decent sample from the freerolls & penny games when you have 5 players to a flop & the most ridiculous play EVER. ????

I need to do my best to avoid any posts/threads with anything rigtard related.

Rigtards hahaha.

I understand that you see more hands online vs live, and I understand variance, and I understand that we're pattern seeking creatures, and I understand that we often look for excuses instead of owning up to bad play. I specifically mentioned the sweepstakes model Global Poker uses. I love ACR, switched over and I'm beyond happy, but there is something fishy with Global Poker, as according to them: "All hands are individual game events, the winner is predetermined."
That doesn't sound a little weird? I think it does.
Also, the site doesn't need to pick certain people to be winners if it's a sweepstakes; the lottery is a sweepstakes(some), they do just fine randomly picking winners. The faster you're out of a tournament you already paid for, the faster you're spending money on another one.
I don't know if it's rigged, but guess what, neither do you.
And I'm strictly talking about Global Poker.
Chill with the condescension, this is literally my first post on here haha.

 

[Luvepoker]

The problem I find with the people who thing its rigged is when they wont admit they could be the problem. One said a site was rigged against aces, He would lose 90% of the time when he got them. When I asked him to show me he a week later showed me 11 hands he lost in a row. Time after time there were limper and once 6 of them in the hand when he just called. I could not convince him the reason he lost was how he played. But aces are to win 80%+ of the time is all he could remember. Another person complained they were always called and lost most of the time when they pushed all in. looking over this persons hands they would finally go all in with 2 BB stacks and wonder why they go call and lost to junk. As of today both dont play online as its rigged.

 

[vinnie]

Rigtards hahaha.

I understand that you see more hands online vs live, and I understand variance, and I understand that we're pattern seeking creatures, and I understand that we often look for excuses instead of owning up to bad play. I specifically mentioned the sweepstakes model Global Poker uses. I love ACR, switched over and I'm beyond happy, but there is something fishy with Global Poker, as according to them: "All hands are individual game events, the winner is predetermined."
That doesn't sound a little weird? I think it does.
Also, the site doesn't need to pick certain people to be winners if it's a sweepstakes; the lottery is a sweepstakes(some), they do just fine randomly picking winners. The faster you're out of a tournament you already paid for, the faster you're spending money on another one.
I don't know if it's rigged, but guess what, neither do you.
And I'm strictly talking about Global Poker.
Chill with the condescension, this is literally my first post on here haha.

pokerstars has a similar statement on their shuffling page. The deck is shuffled and the order the cards will come out is determined before the hand begins.

 

[brandofresh]

PokerStars has a similar statement on their shuffling page. The deck is shuffled and the order the cards will come out is determined before the hand begins.

Ah, that's interesting, I'll have to look into that more as well.

I'm not making the statement: All poker sites are rigged, but it feels like something is up with Global Poker. I've switched to ACR, and it's been great.

 

[vinnie]

How does Global Poker stop the pre-determined winner from folding? Does it remove their fold button?

 

[fruittree]

Just very unusual that just before cashing huge long odd bad beats accrue what seems to me way more often then early or late in the same tourny. And weirdly....happening more recently now....than months before?

 

[fruittree]

Ah, that's interesting, I'll have to look into that more as well.

I'm not making the statement: All poker sites are rigged, but it feels like something is up with Global Poker. I've switched to ACR, and it's been great.

Sounds crazy....but maybe no one has notes on you here yet. And I have never believed a poker site was out to get a certain player.....but they are in it to maximize profits! So I have noticed late in some tournys the bigger stacks hands hold up more just before the money....stopping all the stalling. Making tournys quicker. Allowing players to enter more each night. Which brings higher profits to site.

 

[brandofresh]

How does Global Poker stop the pre-determined winner from folding? Does it remove their fold button?

It doesn't, of course. This would be the reason why there seem to be more bad beats on GP: the worse hand was predetermined to win.
Seems. Maybe. Not absolutely true nor false.

Again, love ACR haha. What other sites do you guys recommend?

 

[Poker Orifice]

You answered the question yourself. Sites are based off software, and that software follows a script based on the computer programming of/or for that script. So there are going to be inconsistencies or actions that wouldn’t happen in or during live poker play, no matter how random the card generator is supposed to be, because it is a program. A program or software isn’t a live person, and programs can experience bugs, glitches, hacks, and can be scripted to do all sorts of things.

I work in the field of Fintech, where we sometimes have to write scripts for certain servers.


A card generator, regardless of its certification, will never be equal to that of a live person dealing cards. You have far more people who complain of bad beats with online play then live play.

I’m not saying it’s fixed, but due to it being a program, it will never be equivalent to that of a real dealer or live action. And just like all casinos’ slot machines don’t perform the same way, poker sites don’t perform the same way. Some being more tighter than others when it comes to card generation.

Wrong.
Your answers actually show how little you actually know about it which has me questioning your self-proclaimed credentials.

 

[aces1991]

How does Global Poker stop the pre-determined winner from folding

 

[Poker Orifice]

Rigtards hahaha.

I understand that you see more hands online vs live, and I understand variance, and I understand that we're pattern seeking creatures, and I understand that we often look for excuses instead of owning up to bad play. .

the underlined tells me you're fairly new to poker... because you can play absolutely 100% PERFECTLY.... gto... or you can be exploiting your opponent's tendanices PERFECTLY and have them make the EXACT play you want them to make... and still lose the hand... over & over & over again. It has nothing to do with owning up to bad play.

Learn about variance and what it REALLY is. Then understand why it is such a great thing in poker. And when you do, you'll embrace it.
(I'm going to try not to post any further in this thread but I felt I needed to here as I wanted you to understand where I was coming from. Play for awhile and your feelings about it will change. If they don't.... you're doomed. Fact!)

 

[_soupypoopie_]

WHY?

Im talking about the major players not the small fly by night sites. Why would say Pokerstars care who wins or loses? I will try and counter any claims you can make. Maybe I can or maybe I cant we will see.

MONEY- that's why.
Why take pennies in rake when you can take all of the money on the table?

Not only rigging the game, but giving users superuser abilities.

Example: on Global Poker an unknown player will show up and take 7-15 buy ins off the table and disappear, never to be seen again.

This happens every day and every night.

Notice Pgunn in this screenshot.

Who is Pgunn? He showed up about 15 minutes ago. Never seen him before, and you will never see him again.

I have to sit for 2 hours to win $10 and somehow this player wins $60 in 15 minutes.

The pattern is always the same, raise preflop and bet pot on every street. At the end of the hand turn show the nuts.

Raise preflop with J62Q and bet the flop 3K7 bet the turn 10 bet the river A.

I play on Global every day and I leave the table when these guy shows up.

 

[roger perkins]

MONEY- that's why.
Why take pennies in rake when you can take all of the money on the table?

Not only rigging the game, but giving users superuser abilities.

Example: on Global Poker an unknown player will show up and take 7-15 buy ins off the table and disappear, never to be seen again.

This happens every day and every night.

Notice Pgunn in this screenshot.

Who is Pgunn? He showed up about 15 minutes ago. Never seen him before, and you will never see him again.

I have to sit for 2 hours to win $10 and somehow this player wins $60 in 15 minutes.

The pattern is always the same, raise preflop and bet pot on every street. At the end of the hand turn show the nuts.

Raise preflop with J62Q and bet the flop 3K7 bet the turn 10 bet the river A.

I play on Global every day and I leave the table when these guy shows up.

Pennies? POKERSTARS pulls in 3.5 million a day in total revenue. So you think they would risk lossing that to gain even lets say 10 times that amount knowing if they were caught they lose everything. I could post 100 reasons why they are not rigged but you would never agree. My question to you is why do you play on any site that you think is rigged?

 

[bakang]

Pennies? POKERSTARS pulls in 3.5 million a day in total revenue. So you think they would risk lossing that to gain even lets say 10 times that amount knowing if they were caught they lose everything. I could post 100 reasons why they are not rigged but you would never agree. My question to you is why do you play on any site that you think is rigged?


you'd be more emotional if you realized how ignorant you sound. What are gonna do, go on "60 minutes" and bring down a cheatin carribean poker site? you aren't even keeled, just even dumber than we thought. They don't care if you know. I tell em right in their own chat they cheat. Their cheating is the reason gambling isn't legal in all 50 states. The govt is doing us a favor. Go wonder why KK lost to 44 yet again...GL

 

[Polytarp]

the underlined tells me you're fairly new to poker... because you can play absolutely 100% PERFECTLY.... gto... or you can be exploiting your opponent's tendanices PERFECTLY and have them make the EXACT play you want them to make... and still lose the hand... over & over & over again. It has nothing to do with owning up to bad play.

Learn about variance and what it REALLY is. Then understand why it is such a great thing in poker. And when you do, you'll embrace it.
(I'm going to try not to post any further in this thread but I felt I needed to here as I wanted you to understand where I was coming from. Play for awhile and your feelings about it will change. If they don't.... you're doomed. Fact!)

I agree with what you stated but I'm surprised to read that you are considering "feelings."
You have played long enough to develop scar tissue across all your poker "emotions" (unlike Helmuth) so that no matter what happens you have probably seen it before. Showing examples that have occurred (screenshots) and showing statistics that place these examples within a context are a requirement for a good player and unless the person to whom your response(s) tracks their games they will be oblivious to the mathematics that governs their play.

 

[bakang]

I agree with what you stated but I'm surprised to read that you are considering "feelings."
You have played long enough to develop scar tissue across all your poker "emotions" (unlike Helmuth) so that no matter what happens you have probably seen it before. Showing examples that have occurred (screenshots) and showing statistics that place these examples within a context are a requirement for a good player and unless the person to whom your response(s) tracks their games they will be oblivious to the mathematics that governs their play.
Total highfalutin snobbery from someone who thinks they "know" poker. Put it like this. Why do they ask YOU to supply the stats to prove they aren't cheating? They should just post the stats for all hands every week, on a chart. KK vs 22, how many hands, how many wins/losses? Then KK vs 33...and so on. Either they are paying you or you just learned something.

 

[roger perkins]

Not talking about pokerstars dumbf#ck

Sorry you had to go with the insult of dumb f***. But it does show me your lack of intelligence. Seems my post was talking about poker stars. So that's why I went there. However I could apply it to any major poker site. No need to respond to me I only talk to people with an IQ above 80.
PS. You will also find this community is a lot more friendly with each other so I would suggest you respond a little kinder in the future.

 

[acemenow]

I have been playing online since 2004. Went through various phases of being convinced sites were rigged to not truly believing it. Biggest difference from 2004-2008 compared to today is the RNG and its ability to mimmick variance. This has greatly improved with the technology leaps of processing power and algorythms overall.

I read a lot on cryptography (and still feel I know little about it) though more than some that claim they "understand it". One take away that always stuck with me was that you can't have a truly random equation based on input to make it random. You can come extremely close but not "truly random". As you read higher level cryptography experts some of them even postulate that nothing is truly random, if you think it is random you just don't have a large enough sample size. You can agree or disagree with this I can't defend it as I am no expert, its just what I read from other experts and it may or may not hold true today as this was from a few years ago (less than 5).

Having said that. If you are playing in a game that uses a decent RNG (random number generator), what advantage does any other player have over you? based solely on that RNG? What does the site have to gain from taking money from people willing to deposit their money? IDK just asking.

One thing I have learned is that things I used to think were donky calls or plays that were idiotic were actually correct when evaluated by a coach I used a few years ago. This taught me to stop calling people out on the table because you have no idea if you are dealing with someone that knows what they are doing and trying various strategies out or someone that is blowing off steam after a day of work. If you have been playing and studying over the past year or more you should realize that your current understanding of the game is better today than when you first started and if you have continued studying over the years you may even notice that things you took as how to properly play in certain situations were actually losing propositions. Much of this info was brought to light with pros and enthusiasts that took millions upon millions of hands and put them into equity calculators and then PIO.

As I see it the real variance comes into play when you are playing GTO against someone playing exploitive vs someone just there to have fun and not paying attention to the math. Consequenly weird shit happens. Another point is a %6 chance of losing a hand is still a %6 percent chance of losing a hand. But that does not mean you will only see it %6 of the time. Just cause it happens to you more often in a particular frame of time does not mean the variance is off necessarily.

Anyway, someone smarter than me can probably pick this apart to death but ultimately if you are truly worried about sites being rigged why play? And especially why deposit your hard earned money on something you feel is "rigged"?

Finally, I find discussions like the ones in this link interesting

https://crypto.stackexchange.com/qu...domness-defined-in-the-realms-of-cryptography

 

[molokheia]

hi there

i agree that they would lose much more if they were rigged and get caught

rgds

 

[playinggameswithu]

I personally think that ACR has ridiculous late registration and unlimited entry for their regular players to leverage their large bankrolls against recreational like myself.I'v seen guy re-buy more time than I can think to afford and then go on to money finish. While I usually just stick to 2 bullet tops.It dilutes my entry into the tournaments. That is as far as rigged gets with me.

 

[AKQ]

I personally think that ACR has ridiculous late registration and unlimited entry for their regular players to leverage their large bankrolls against recreational like myself.I'v seen guy re-buy more time than I can think to afford and then go on to money finish. While I usually just stick to 2 bullet tops.It dilutes my entry into the tournaments. That is as far as rigged gets with me.

so they play bad and rebuy
shouldn't you be the one with twice the starting stack comparabley
a growing prizepool is a plus in my mind

your thoughts
you judged them to fast

 

[roger perkins]

Sorry you're a dumbf#ck. But you respond to any thread even if you don't know what you are talking about.
Get a life

Wow you're really going full on childish. I hope you're not looking at these as quality post. It's not that I don't know what I'm talking about it's your failure to understand anything with your limited IQ. Hugs and kisses have a nice day.

 

[spectralwave]

I THINK THE COMPANY IS NORMAL AS ALWAYS REGARDLESS OF WHO WIN OR LOSE, POKERSTARS IS THE MOST SERIOUS COMPANY ONLINE AND ONE OF THE PIONEERS, SO THEY HAVE ALREADY MISSED A LOT TO HAVE THE SUCCESS OF TODAY.

 

[narc]

card manipulation do not see. but I see tournament patterns, in this case it's good to know the distribution patterns of each site.

 

[okeedokalee]

What I do understand is people saying this or that site is rigged, that I get. That is their opinion.
What I find incredulous is, they believed they are playing a rigged game, but they continue on giving these "rigged sites" money.
Surely this is the ultimate in futility.