Ice Wolf
Legend
Bronze Level
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DS3
Legend
Loyaler
Yes, whilst I came to this thread to post about free rolls I am constantly asking myself why the RNG at ACR is not questioned frequently. I do not believe present technology provides true randomness as it is but the RNG at ACR takes the cake.
mkdrummey
Visionary
Silver Level
Never played in them but I would expect similar to the casino org 50 bucks freerolls and the jackpot freerolls 50 bucks games with thousands of players and tiny prizes.
But, this is how I started out years ago playing freerolls to get pennies, as a step up from play money. At the time it was a novelty to get anything for nothing except a bit of time that I would have been using on play money games anyway.
Not as many freeroll options these days as there used to be, but it seems you can still game them for a few cents or the occasional few bucks if you get deeper. The gameplay might get you mad though.
But, this is how I started out years ago playing freerolls to get pennies, as a step up from play money. At the time it was a novelty to get anything for nothing except a bit of time that I would have been using on play money games anyway.
Not as many freeroll options these days as there used to be, but it seems you can still game them for a few cents or the occasional few bucks if you get deeper. The gameplay might get you mad though.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
The purpose of these freerolls is to get as many people as possible to log on to the site in the hope, that some of them will then also play games, where ACR earn rake, once they bust from the freeroll. Or maybe visit the casino or sportsbetting section, where "poker" sites make most of their money these days. So for ACR it makes sense to run them frequently to get more people to log on.
As a player it only makes sense to play these events as an alternative to play money games. And honestly it makes no difference, if the price pool is a bit more or less. 888 Poker currently runs a number of "daily freerolls" with a 200$ price pool, and its the exact same thing with 3 minute blind intervals and 2.000+ people competing for this tiny amount of money. Its definitely not worth your time, if you are a serious poker player looking to either win some money or improve your game.
As a player it only makes sense to play these events as an alternative to play money games. And honestly it makes no difference, if the price pool is a bit more or less. 888 Poker currently runs a number of "daily freerolls" with a 200$ price pool, and its the exact same thing with 3 minute blind intervals and 2.000+ people competing for this tiny amount of money. Its definitely not worth your time, if you are a serious poker player looking to either win some money or improve your game.
Ice Wolf
Legend
Bronze Level
I would now like to combine my previous two post in this thread and say that there is absolutely no point whatsoever in playing solid poker in the Holdem $50 Freerolls. There is no point at all in getting your chips in with the best of it, miracle runs and coolers are the standard in these (maybe just the micro stakes and freerolls or hell the software might just be coded that way for rake). Play bingo and screw your game up is the only way to go if you want to make a decent amount of money in these because the pennies aren't worth the time.
Suns of Beaches
With a Balloon to the Moon
Bronze Level
i once thoght similar thoughts about randomness and present technology. then i searched a bit in the internet and somewhere i read that actually with present technology, its possible to simulate randomness very very accurate. now i dont know if this is true because nowadays you read a lot in the internet. now if i think about it, i certainly believe that current systems are good enough for simualting complete randomness.
i read a lot of stuff here about the ACR rng but believe me, poker is just poker. its everywhere the same. everything can happen all the time and you better be prepared for it
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DS3
Legend
Loyaler
i once thoght similar thoughts about randomness and present technology. then i searched a bit in the internet and somewhere i read that actually with present technology, its possible to simulate randomness very very accurate. now i dont know if this is true because nowadays you read a lot in the internet. now if i think about it, i certainly believe that current systems are good enough for simualting complete randomness.
i read a lot of stuff here about the ACR rng but believe me, poker is just poker. its everywhere the same. everything can happen all the time and you better be prepared for it
The question is not whether RNGs are capable of producing random numbers/cards/hands (they are) but whether they are actually doing so.
Suns of Beaches
With a Balloon to the Moon
Bronze Level
dallam
Legend
Loyaler
ACR have $50 guaranteed free-rolls every three hours, resulting in about a thousand players each time basically playing bingo. Although I think the sentiment is genuinely #Good4Poker , would more players approach the game more seriously if the freeroll ran once a day for a higher guarantee? Running once a day for even the same $50 would make for a better game, I think, because players would know when they go all-in preflop with junk, they can't just play again in a few hours for free.
My biggest issue is although it may be good from the standpoint of stronger players being able to exploit these weaker players and build bankrolls, I think a more genuine #Good4Poker sentiment might be to run games where weaker players are forced to practice better habits and become stronger players.
Take the CardsChat freerolls. You get one weekly if you're subscribed to a single site, which means you wait another week until you can play for free again - which means not only is there the guarantee, but if you're a starting player there's also great practice to be had because the value of the freeroll is higher.
Thoughts?
My first post on CardsChat - so please play nice!
Freerolls mean no risk. And with thousands of people the prizes are not so attractive, so many of the players will probably not taking it as a life changing oppurtinity, rather another free chance. I know that you are realised this. The only thing till you are not stepping over this level is try to experiment hands, what is happening if you raise that much, or you just limp in etc. Take it as a learning, and if you can, make the most value from your winning ones. Freerolls with just 300 people are different, can be a next step to try to reach them next to the learning session that you've been through.
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DS3
Legend
Loyaler
I have no data to ‘show’ the RNGs are not random, other than what I observe on a daily basis. So wait for as long as you feel fit. I also don't need to tell anyone that what they say is unimportant.
However, as detailed before, I presume entities with enough computing power to drive the site, record every hand you (and all members) have ever played and monitor playing patterns (as claimed by sites underlining their ‘security’) have the ability to implement subtle and untraceable weighting if they so desire.
It’s my view of online poker. I am a skeptic, as is my prerogative, who nonetheless profits from playing. I am not an online believer, an online evangelical – that is your prerogative. I am not trying to convince or convert anyone, just commenting.
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tweezer_reraise
Enthusiast
Silver Level
i feel play them if you have 0 and looking to build a bankroll for fun.
however if serious, i think its better to make a small deposit and low stakes. as other have said many of these freerolls become all in donk a thons...., if on ACR id look at the lower stakes sng's and ODs, just my 2 cents. good luck at the tables
however if serious, i think its better to make a small deposit and low stakes. as other have said many of these freerolls become all in donk a thons...., if on ACR id look at the lower stakes sng's and ODs, just my 2 cents. good luck at the tables
Ice Wolf
Legend
Bronze Level
Retracting my previous statement about the Omaha freerolls, they are just cooler fest rewarding morons for chasing. Flop the nuts and push the your chips in, lose em, usually to a backdoor flush or runner runner for a boat. WPN's RNG feeds these type of players though so just the freerolls in general are a joke. The RNG is however becoming predictable though so there is that.
antonis32123
Legend
Loyaler
I also remember these $10 on demend , I had some very good results here or on another skin of wpn , if I decded to play with focus I could go last 18 or FT almost easily at least once in a day , they were easy fields . Now I think I have achieved FT once , but then again I have played very few times sice the change . The reason ?? I have to gve them rake for any winnings I will have so up to an amount it's all right , far more better not , I cannot generate a lot of rake , i do not play a lot , only nanos/micros
Having said that , I wonder , CC freerolls , it's not their money like the $50 , or are they ?? Do they demend the same rake (10% is it ??) to withdraw the winnings or not ??
I agree
Also I see this on 888poker , how they decided to host many more freerolls , on a daily basis , then add more now for this New App celebration , I guess they will find an excuse to keep some of them and afater 10/1 when the celebration ends .
They need rake-production machines , or else everyone would just play the freerolls , wait to collect $10 or $20 , then ask for a withdrawal of them to his account , lol , if he wasn't forced to play them , to wager them , to generate some rake .
But if you play other game with real buyin either way , then by playing them you win more rakeback , win-win situation , if I am not mistaken ofcourse
Adi8877
Visionary
Silver Level
I remember for those, too. They were one of the best kind of freeroll system on any site, I've ever seen, from any point of view, players and rooms. The top 10 paid, you did not have a huge field, if you played few days, you could collect enough to reg for 8-10 micro stakes tourney, it was one of the easiest way to have some bankroll to start, did not take so long, in every 1-1,5 hours you could start to play, it cost less, but definitely not more for the company, as well.
I also remember for the on demand venom sats at the beginning, mixed with the on demand freerolls, you could play the freerolls on 2-3-4 tables all the time. I understand why they changed the venom, even i do not get it, why they have only 1 venom freerolls instead of the 100 places pays the 0.11 tickets (what is just 11$/tourney, so even in on demand it was around 150$/day, so it is like giving away 1-1,5 venom ticket/month, meantime i read plenty venom tickets were given away everywhere in soc media etc....). And that was going on through months, not only for 1 month. But it is their rights to decide it. It definitely won't bring new players, so i do not get the daily one.
Even in nowadays options, I could build a bankroll starting from freerolls, just takes longer, what is pretty strange as the hole daily freeroll guaranted amount is much higher, but the pay out structures are so wild (some pays just top 3, others top 200) that it adds an other gambling, luck factor to the anyway sick freerolls....
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redsfan
Rock Star
Silver Level
ACR free rolls are a waste of time in my opinion.No one will practice any skills,its just go allin and call with nothing.I enjoy playing poker,not all in and just hoping for the best.I also see a certain tone change in alot of the cardschat free rolls.A lot of people are doing the same thing,going all in all the time,and making calls with anything.Not all ,but a lot of people seem to be playing that way.
sara maria
Rock Star
Silver Level
$ 50 for a thousand participants, very little money, and the possibility of winning something good is very low, there is a room that every 60 minutes there is a $ 150 tournament but there are quite a few bingueros and there a lot of pressure since the initial chips are 20K and that one problem the blinds in an hour the blinds are for 20K VERY DIFFICULT, but a gift horse does not look at the tooth.