ACR have $50 guaranteed free-rolls every three hours, resulting in about a thousand players each time basically playing bingo. Although I think the sentiment is genuinely #Good4Poker , would more players approach the game more seriously if the freeroll ran once a day for a higher guarantee? Running once a day for even the same $50 would make for a better game, I think, because players would know when they go all-in preflop with junk, they can't just play again in a few hours for free.

My biggest issue is although it may be good from the standpoint of stronger players being able to exploit these weaker players and build bankrolls, I think a more genuine #Good4Poker sentiment might be to run games where weaker players are forced to practice better habits and become stronger players.

Take the CardsChat freerolls. You get one weekly if you're subscribed to a single site, which means you wait another week until you can play for free again - which means not only is there the guarantee, but if you're a starting player there's also great practice to be had because the value of the freeroll is higher.

Thoughts?

My first post on CardsChat - so please play nice!

People will go all in no matter what. Freerolls will always be treated like garbage, no matter how they are limited. The one every 3 hours allows people to practice their style and have a better chance at getting money at some point.

I started with nothing at all on ACR. I refuse to deposit onto poker sites these days, for numerous reasons which aren't really important to this discussion.

But I love to play poker, so I decided I would play the ACR freerolls and try to build up a bankroll from there.

Fast forward about 2 to 3 years, and here I am today at the highest point yet, my bankroll stands at almost $950. This is FAR more enjoyable of a challenge than if I had deposited my own money and tried to win with that.

I will never withdraw these funds, I will never consider it income and I refuse to pay income tax to the IRS thieves, they can go screw for all I care. Even if I run it up to one million I won't withdraw it, I'll just play at the highest levels and be thrilled to have done so in my life.

There's a lot more to life than stupid money, I'm poor and VERY happy. And I intend to always keep it this way.

In brief... play freerolls!! And make up your own "Zero To Hero Challenge", it is a blast especially if you can have some success.

P.S. Welcome to CardsChat!! I joined here because you cannot ever play enough freerolls, and I want to build a roll on other sites too like BetOnline. The more freerolls the better. Play them all, the only way to have success via freerolls is to put in a MASSIVE amount of hours... as you wrote, they are notorious for their "crazy loose play", or, to use a more technical phrase for it... freerolls have a very high level of statistical variance... but that certainly does NOT mean they aren't beatable. They are definitely beatable, you simply need to have massive patience and be willing to play poker for many hours every day. I am retired, all I have is free time, so this is not a problem for myself, personally.

Originally Posted by Alizona

I started with nothing at all on ACR. I refuse to deposit onto poker sites these days, for numerous reasons which aren't really important to this discussion.

But I love to play poker, so I decided I would play the ACR freerolls and try to build up a bankroll from there.

Fast forward about 2 to 3 years, and here I am today at the highest point yet, my bankroll stands at almost $950. This is FAR more enjoyable of a challenge than if I had deposited my own money and tried to win with that.

I will never withdraw these funds, I will never consider it income and I refuse to pay income tax to the IRS thieves, they can go screw for all I care. Even if I run it up to one million I won't withdraw it, I'll just play at the highest levels and be thrilled to have done so in my life.

There's a lot more to life than stupid money, I'm poor and VERY happy. And I intend to always keep it this way.

In brief... play freerolls!! And make up your own "Zero To Hero Challenge", it is a blast especially if you can have some success.

P.S. Welcome to CardsChat!! I joined here because you cannot ever play enough freerolls, and I want to build a roll on other sites too like BetOnline. The more freerolls the better. Play them all, the only way to have success via freerolls is to put in a MASSIVE amount of hours... as you wrote, they are notorious for their "crazy loose play", or, to use a more technical phrase for it... freerolls have a very high level of statistical variance... but that certainly does NOT mean they aren't beatable. They are definitely beatable, you simply need to have massive patience and be willing to play poker for many hours every day. I am retired, all I have is free time, so this is not a problem for myself, personally.

Great to hear you've had such a positive experience with poker. Sounds like the freerolls have really suited what you want out of the game. Thanks for the reply, and thanks for the warm welcome to CC!

Originally Posted by CSLysander

People will go all in no matter what. Freerolls will always be treated like garbage, no matter how they are limited. The one every 3 hours allows people to practice their style and have a better chance at getting money at some point.

Thanks for the reply!

You will always get that certain type of player going all-in with junk on freerolls - absolutely! - but surely by increasing the wait time between these events (thus incentivising recreational players to value and enjoy single games for longer) you decrease the frequency of this kind of player. You'll get maniacs everywhere, but for the same reason buy-in tournaments have fewer maniacs than freerolls, surely a freeroll limited to once per day/week would incentivise fewer maniacs than three-hourlys do?

Just to say again, regardless of what's theoretically best, I absolutely agree any freeroll is a fundamentally good thing. I guess I'm wrong to imply there's no point at all - but is having them so frequently the best way?

They will not. They will fill to the top and people will be going all in even more. People will sit out the entire game because they know the maniacs may give them a chance at getting in the money. This will not change, believe me.

The reason sites don't run one freeroll per day with a large prize pool is because their intent is NOT to make a few people rich, but rather, the intent of a site running freerolls is to give a LOT of players a small amount of money, so hopefully they can become what I call "rake machines" for the site.

I am one such "rake machine" on ACR. Most sites do not understand this concept. BetOnline never runs any freerolls at all (I'm not talking about CardsChat freerolls, I'm talking about freerolls run by the site itself using their own money). BetOnline doesn't get get it. ACR runs many freerolls every day. ACR gets it!! If ACR didn't run freerolls, I wouldn't be playing on their site all the time and earning them rake each time I do. It's a brilliant strategy for them, one that I wish other sites would figure out and implement.

I think the Omaha tournaments in these are a little more profitable because they take a little bit more understanding. Now you also get the idiots who just raise on every single hand no matter what, that constantly win hands but to me these take a little more understanding than the just shove with any two bingo play that is constant at the Holdem tournaments. I guess you just have a bunch of bingo play in both but with the larger chip stack in the Holdem tourneys if you don't get multiple bingo players at the same table its a little easier to weather. Solid play just hasn't worked for me in the Holdem tourneys like they have in the Omaha ones.

Originally Posted by Alizona

The reason sites don't run one freeroll per day with a large prize pool is because their intent is NOT to make a few people rich, but rather, the intent of a site running freerolls is to give a LOT of players a small amount of money, so hopefully they can become what I call "rake machines" for the site.

I am one such "rake machine" on ACR. Most sites do not understand this concept. BetOnline never runs any freerolls at all (I'm not talking about CardsChat freerolls, I'm talking about freerolls run by the site itself using their own money). BetOnline doesn't get get it. ACR runs many freerolls every day. ACR gets it!! If ACR didn't run freerolls, I wouldn't be playing on their site all the time and earning them rake each time I do. It's a brilliant strategy for them, one that I wish other sites would figure out and implement.

Really interesting take. ACR were running even more than they are now, the system being "as soon as 400 people are registered, we'll start another." Now, they're three-hourly - maybe a compromise (a small one, considering they were about two-hourly anyways) with the issues I brought up in mind? Or would you prefer they go back to the original schedule?

Cheers for the reply

Originally Posted by Ice Wolf

I think the Omaha tournaments in these are a little more profitable because they take a little bit more understanding. Now you also get the idiots who just raise on every single hand no matter what, that constantly win hands but to me these take a little more understanding than the just shove with any two bingo play that is constant at the Holdem tournaments. I guess you just have a bunch of bingo play in both but with the larger chip stack in the Holdem tourneys if you don't get multiple bingo players at the same table its a little easier to weather. Solid play just hasn't worked for me in the Holdem tourneys like they have in the Omaha ones.

This has been my experience also. I'm marginally happier tangling with a few maniacs and then more conservatively defending my stack when playing PLO8.

Quite frankly it's these $50 free roll tournaments that lead me to join Cardschat. Just a few months ago they'd only fill with maybe 900 people and it was substantially easier to make a nice 20 or 30 cent profit every day. While the quality of the players hasn't differed much, the quantity sure has. tournaments now can reach upwards of 1400 people. and splitting $50 between 1400 surely isn't a good way to be spending your time.
I hate to be that guy on the thread but, the freerollers that Cardschat provides provide $100 split between just a few hundred people. Once I fond out just how much better I could be spending my time, I haven't returned to ACR's $50 freerollers I just don't think that they're worth my time anymore, I don't learn anything from people jamming 72off and there's practically no prize pool anymore.

That's take time tournament, most of players not serious to play.

One should win lots chips in early stage, otherwise very hard ITM.

From a business standpoint?:

Since I do not understand all the economics associated with operating a poker site, I am just going to assume that they have an business reason for doing it.

From a Player's standpoint?:

It strikes me as a no-harm / no-foul type of situation.If you enjoy playing the game, have the time available, and are not counting on your winnings to put a roof over your head and food on the table, Have Fun and Enjoy! You Might Even Win a Little Money (which can add up over time)!

If you can not afford the the time that will be required to win the offered Prizes, then it is a definite pass, and the game is not for you... No Big Deal! Spend your time more wisely.

Just my two cents...

Best of Luck at The Tables All!

CheezeWiz

I definitely miss the on demand freerolls ACR would hold. As soon as late registration would end another would start registering. I think it ended up being about 1 an hour or so and there may have been a max tournament number. I felt like it was a great way to help the site grow and it basically costs them nothing. If you top it out at 12 a day you're getting enough rake from the high rollers to stab a few $50 freerolls to keep the micros alive. It is a lot harder to build anything off the 3 hour ones though unfortunately.

Originally Posted by YogSothoth

Really interesting take. ACR were running even more than they are now, the system being "as soon as 400 people are registered, we'll start another." Now, they're three-hourly - maybe a compromise (a small one, considering they were about two-hourly anyways) with the issues I brought up in mind? Or would you prefer they go back to the original schedule?

Cheers for the reply

ACR has always modified their freeroll schedule, but they do it on their own terms, for their own reasons.

For example... there have been times when ACR stops ALL freerolls. I cannot recall a specific example, but generally they seem to do it during a series like MOSS, and I'm guessing the reason they do it is because they want all players to be filling up the regular tournament seats because of the larger guaranteed prize pools on them. They don't want the freerolls siphoning off players.

This is all from my own observations of ACR over time, I have no inside information or contacts there.

Originally Posted by Alizona

ACR has always modified their freeroll schedule, but they do it on their own terms, for their own reasons.

For example... there have been times when ACR stops ALL freerolls. I cannot recall a specific example, but generally they seem to do it during a series like MOSS, and I'm guessing the reason they do it is because they want all players to be filling up the regular tournament seats because of the larger guaranteed prize pools on them. They don't want the freerolls siphoning off players.

This is all from my own observations of ACR over time, I have no inside information or contacts there.

I think they may clutter the servers and they want the bigger tournaments to not have any issues with running. I think the on demand ones stopped with BTC kinda crashed. I feel like the site has a good amount of holdings in crypto so that had to have caused them to take a good hit.

Let me ask you a question ? Will you sincerely sit there for 3-4 hours playing your A game when 1st price is $9 ?
I do play those 50$ ACR freerolls once a while. You dont wanna be at my table

I am firing with any 2 cards I like ,all in small pairs , small suited connectors , etc...

Originally Posted by YogSothoth

ACR have $50 guaranteed free-rolls every three hours, resulting in about a thousand players each time basically playing bingo. Although I think the sentiment is genuinely #Good4Poker , would more players approach the game more seriously if the freeroll ran once a day for a higher guarantee? Running once a day for even the same $50 would make for a better game, I think, because players would know when they go all-in preflop with junk, they can't just play again in a few hours for free...

Thoughts?

My first post on CardsChat - so please play nice!

Welcome YogSothoth.

Limiting the number of free rolls would not accomplish anything - people would play just as if not more aggressively.

Further ACR appeals to a global audience so setting the tourney at a specific time would alienate half the globe for whom it would not be convenient to play.

I joined ACR almost exactly a year ago and the free rolls at that time were 'on demand'. Every time one had finished if another 250 or so signed up (I believe) another would start with no delay. However, they were for $10. They attracted around 500-550 players and that was tough going.

So the 'Guaranteed Fifty Dollar' free rolls quintupled the prize money but the field mainly tops out at around 1, 200 to 1,500 players (trust me I keep records!) so they were greatly improved.

As for free roll participation, each to his own. I joined ACR simply because a few months before I had joined Cards Chat. I started out strictly with free rolls and then mid year decided to go the whole year on free rolls alone and am happy with the outcome. The thing about the ACR FRs is of you are engaged on the computer regardless they can play in the background and you only need to focus on key hands until coming down to the money.

Therefore I agree with most of what Alizona has said before. I built bankrolls on 5 sites from nothing...but I appreciate every red cent I make. Every single penny is recorded with the tourney , my placement, prize etc. It has little to do with the money- it is all to do with accomplishment - conjuring something out of nothing.

Originally Posted by SecksyGambler

Quite frankly it's these $50 free roll tournaments that lead me to join Cardschat. Just a few months ago they'd only fill with maybe 900 people and it was substantially easier to make a nice 20 or 30 cent profit every day. While the quality of the players hasn't differed much, the quantity sure has. tournaments now can reach upwards of 1400 people. and splitting $50 between 1400 surely isn't a good way to be spending your time.
I hate to be that guy on the thread but, the freerollers that Cardschat provides provide $100 split between just a few hundred people. Once I fond out just how much better I could be spending my time, I haven't returned to ACR's $50 freerollers I just don't think that they're worth my time anymore, I don't learn anything from people jamming 72off and there's practically no prize pool anymore.

I retract my previous statement I just placed first in an ACR freeroller and it was 100% worth 5 hours of my life to win $7.

it makes sense to sit for almost 4 hours if you play for the result.
when these freerolls were on demand, I was the winner twice, sat at the final table several times, and was often in ITМ.
when they became less frequent, the number of players increased accordingly, and everything became more complicated.
I've leaked a very large number of these tournaments just in a dumb all-in.
but once 1 place was for me. it's very nice after sitting for a long time.
everyone starts there to play lucky not lucky.
as for the meaning, it's up to you.
good luck at the tables!

Originally Posted by Alizona

I started with nothing at all on ACR. I refuse to deposit onto poker sites these days, for numerous reasons which aren't really important to this discussion.

I will never withdraw these funds, I will never consider it income and I refuse to pay income tax to the IRS thieves, they can go screw for all I care. Even if I run it up to one million I won't withdraw it, I'll just play at the highest levels and be thrilled to have done so in my life.

Actually, I don't think you'd pay tax if you withdrew any of that money. For starters, you're not a professional gambler, so you should not be liable for any taxes off winnings.

Originally Posted by Ice Wolf

I think the Omaha tournaments in these are a little more profitable because they take a little bit more understanding. Now you also get the idiots who just raise on every single hand no matter what, that constantly win hands but to me these take a little more understanding than the just shove with any two bingo play that is constant at the Holdem tournaments.

I rarely play those $50 donkaments, ESPECIALLY the Hold'em ones, as the variance is just simply too much. I agree with you about PLO, in that it takes some different understanding of the game that most people don't have, and infact, I really like when players play just about any 4 cards. After seeing them play a few hands, you can pick up a read on them on how they play certain hands and then exploit them.

I had a situation at a 5c/10c PLO cash game tonight on ACR, where the player to my immediate right was ALWAYS limping, then calling a raise, but I caught on to a timing tell where they would take a little longer on the odd occasion and either 3bet or flat. They had position on me, though it didn't matter.

Anyway, the flop was K2x two hearts. I flopped a flush draw and little else, but I decided to donk lead the pot as I'm PRETTY certain that they had Aces, and as long as they didn't have a flush draw, I could blow them off the hand. So, after making my bet, the opponent was tanking, and I decided to put in chat "You have Aces???" which I think may have helped them fold the hand. I'll never know of course, but I think that you can take advantage of players in PLO and get paid off. I almost always cash those PLO freerolls on ACR, though admittedly, I don't play them that frequently.

As for the question of whether it's worth playing that long for $9? My answer is yes, if you're interested in investing the time. I don't play those too often, so overall, I don't think they're that great to play, but on the odd occasion, I'll give it a go.

OK, here is a little thought on the ACR freerolls.

I primarily play their hold em 6 max, as I am pretty good at getting in the money with them. I have not won one, but that is not my goal. I am focused on my game in stages right now and getting ITM is where I am at. I can get money on the 8 max and full ring, but 6 seems to be good for me. So, I play it. I make money and am building my bankroll.

Does this mean I have to deal with maniacs? Sure. I have started noting who the maniacs are and those who are dangerous. Smart players can make money with them, which means they have to have a game plan. I am tight and aggressive. I play patient poker, which many of the people in the games do not like to do. I have also started being able to read poker hands online better because of the way people play.

Now, do I plan on playing freerolls all the time? No, as I am building up to play in bigger tournaments moneywise. I have done this once already and moneyed. It can be done from nothing on ACR, but you have to realize that people will get the right cards at the right time and it is not because the system is against you. I have won with a pair of 2s against AK and I have lost with AA against 22. I am certain I have played against bots, but did not care.

So, if you want to build a bankroll via freerolls, you can. Be patient and quit thinking the game is against you. It is a freeroll and people are going to play idiotic hands and win with them. At the same time, the more patient players can outlast pretty much all the maniacs on a consistent basis. So, going all in all the time just annoys people like me and we laugh when you get busted out because someone got fed up and played a much better hand to pick.

Bingo players have always been, are and will be. I believe that such players simply do not realize that thanks to freerolls, they can improve their skills and build a bankroll without any risk. Therefore, obviously, players who understand this have a significant advantage.

Originally Posted by SecksyGambler

I retract my previous statement I just placed first in an ACR freeroller and it was 100% worth 5 hours of my life to win $7.

I was curious how long the entire tournament took. Can't tell if you're being sarcastic but congrats!

Originally Posted by Alizona

I started with nothing at all on ACR. I refuse to deposit onto poker sites these days, for numerous reasons which aren't really important to this discussion.

Fast forward about 2 to 3 years, and here I am today at the highest point yet, my bankroll stands at almost $950. This is FAR more enjoyable of a challenge than if I had deposited my own money and tried to win with that.

I will never withdraw these funds, I will never consider it income and I refuse to pay income tax to the IRS thieves, they can go screw for all I care. Even if I run it up to one million I won't withdraw it, I'll just play at the highest levels and be thrilled to have done so in my life.

Grats indeed ...wtg...i am also a non-depositor, with a respectable roll...starting from scratch, i now play 75/150 nlhe on a bitcoin site..SwC.

Might i ask what stakes you play with your 950 roll..??

From what I understand, ACR also offers a bitcoin method withdrawal...Paypal accepts bitcoin from bitcoin brokers. The tax people would never know...but of course i would never recommend that anyone cheat the taxman...nonono...

Via paypal you could buy yourself or your loved ones a real nice present or two on ebay.

If you need help with finding a trustworthy bitcoin broker based a long way from the usa , i would be happy to help you via pm.

the whole process is totally anonymous...only an email address needed...i can't for the life of me think why the power-possessors / fed res etc etc don't like bitcoin.

gl and keep on building the roll

The RNG on this site is an absolute joke and tends to feed the joke players in this. Raise and bet from behind and get fed. See it all too often. Having someone covered or dominated means nothing on WPN in these freerolls, chip stacks are king and thats what matters in these bingo fest.

Originally Posted by Ice Wolf

The RNG on this site is an absolute joke and tends to feed the joke players in this. Raise and bet from behind and get fed. See it all too often. Having someone covered or dominated means nothing on WPN in these freerolls, chip stacks are king and thats what matters in these bingo fest.

Yes, whilst I came to this thread to post about free rolls I am constantly asking myself why the RNG at ACR is not questioned frequently. I do not believe present technology provides true randomness as it is but the RNG at ACR takes the cake.

Never played in them but I would expect similar to the casino org 50 bucks freerolls and the jackpot freerolls 50 bucks games with thousands of players and tiny prizes.

But, this is how I started out years ago playing freerolls to get pennies, as a step up from play money. At the time it was a novelty to get anything for nothing except a bit of time that I would have been using on play money games anyway.

Not as many freeroll options these days as there used to be, but it seems you can still game them for a few cents or the occasional few bucks if you get deeper. The gameplay might get you mad though.

The purpose of these freerolls is to get as many people as possible to log on to the site in the hope, that some of them will then also play games, where ACR earn rake, once they bust from the freeroll. Or maybe visit the casino or sportsbetting section, where "poker" sites make most of their money these days. So for ACR it makes sense to run them frequently to get more people to log on.

As a player it only makes sense to play these events as an alternative to play money games. And honestly it makes no difference, if the price pool is a bit more or less. 888 Poker currently runs a number of "daily freerolls" with a 200$ price pool, and its the exact same thing with 3 minute blind intervals and 2.000+ people competing for this tiny amount of money. Its definitely not worth your time, if you are a serious poker player looking to either win some money or improve your game.

I would now like to combine my previous two post in this thread and say that there is absolutely no point whatsoever in playing solid poker in the Holdem $50 Freerolls. There is no point at all in getting your chips in with the best of it, miracle runs and coolers are the standard in these (maybe just the micro stakes and freerolls or hell the software might just be coded that way for rake). Play bingo and screw your game up is the only way to go if you want to make a decent amount of money in these because the pennies aren't worth the time.

Originally Posted by DS3

Yes, whilst I came to this thread to post about free rolls I am constantly asking myself why the RNG at ACR is not questioned frequently. I do not believe present technology provides true randomness as it is but the RNG at ACR takes the cake.

i once thoght similar thoughts about randomness and present technology. then i searched a bit in the internet and somewhere i read that actually with present technology, its possible to simulate randomness very very accurate. now i dont know if this is true because nowadays you read a lot in the internet. now if i think about it, i certainly believe that current systems are good enough for simualting complete randomness.

i read a lot of stuff here about the ACR rng but believe me, poker is just poker. its everywhere the same. everything can happen all the time and you better be prepared for it

Originally Posted by nairolph87

i once thoght similar thoughts about randomness and present technology. then i searched a bit in the internet and somewhere i read that actually with present technology, its possible to simulate randomness very very accurate. now i dont know if this is true because nowadays you read a lot in the internet. now if i think about it, i certainly believe that current systems are good enough for simualting complete randomness.

i read a lot of stuff here about the ACR rng but believe me, poker is just poker. its everywhere the same. everything can happen all the time and you better be prepared for it

The question is not whether RNGs are capable of producing random numbers/cards/hands (they are) but whether they are actually doing so.

Originally Posted by DS3

The question is not whether RNGs are capable of producing random numbers/cards/hands (they are) but whether they are actually doing so.

you need to have a lot of samplesize in poker. what you saw and think is not that important. show us some data to why you think their RNG is not random. we are waiting

Originally Posted by YogSothoth

ACR have $50 guaranteed free-rolls every three hours, resulting in about a thousand players each time basically playing bingo. Although I think the sentiment is genuinely #Good4Poker , would more players approach the game more seriously if the freeroll ran once a day for a higher guarantee? Running once a day for even the same $50 would make for a better game, I think, because players would know when they go all-in preflop with junk, they can't just play again in a few hours for free.

My biggest issue is although it may be good from the standpoint of stronger players being able to exploit these weaker players and build bankrolls, I think a more genuine #Good4Poker sentiment might be to run games where weaker players are forced to practice better habits and become stronger players.

Take the CardsChat freerolls. You get one weekly if you're subscribed to a single site, which means you wait another week until you can play for free again - which means not only is there the guarantee, but if you're a starting player there's also great practice to be had because the value of the freeroll is higher.

Thoughts?

My first post on CardsChat - so please play nice!

Freerolls mean no risk. And with thousands of people the prizes are not so attractive, so many of the players will probably not taking it as a life changing oppurtinity, rather another free chance. I know that you are realised this. The only thing till you are not stepping over this level is try to experiment hands, what is happening if you raise that much, or you just limp in etc. Take it as a learning, and if you can, make the most value from your winning ones. Freerolls with just 300 people are different, can be a next step to try to reach them next to the learning session that you've been through.

Originally Posted by nairolph87

you need to have a lot of samplesize in poker. what you saw and think is not that important. show us some data to why you think their RNG is not random. we are waiting

I have no data to ‘show’ the RNGs are not random, other than what I observe on a daily basis. So wait for as long as you feel fit. I also don't need to tell anyone that what they say is unimportant.

However, as detailed before, I presume entities with enough computing power to drive the site, record every hand you (and all members) have ever played and monitor playing patterns (as claimed by sites underlining their ‘security’) have the ability to implement subtle and untraceable weighting if they so desire.

It’s my view of online poker. I am a skeptic, as is my prerogative, who nonetheless profits from playing. I am not an online believer, an online evangelical – that is your prerogative. I am not trying to convince or convert anyone, just commenting.

Originally Posted by DS3

I have no data to ‘show’ the RNGs are not random, other than what I observe on a daily basis. So wait for as long as you feel fit. I also don't need to tell anyone that what they say is unimportant.

However, as detailed before, I presume entities with enough computing power to drive the site, record every hand you (and all members) have ever played and monitor playing patterns (as claimed by sites underlining their ‘security’) have the ability to implement subtle and untraceable weighting if they so desire.

It’s my view of online poker. I am a skeptic, as is my prerogative, who nonetheless profits from playing. I am not an online believer, an online evangelical – that is your prerogative. I am not trying to convince or convert anyone, just commenting.

yeah with other words you are just another "riggie". but its ok, you are entitled to your opinion.

i feel play them if you have 0 and looking to build a bankroll for fun.
however if serious, i think its better to make a small deposit and low stakes. as other have said many of these freerolls become all in donk a thons...., if on ACR id look at the lower stakes sng's and ODs, just my 2 cents. good luck at the tables

I play a few of them but like forum freerolls you get to know players and see how they play. I am retired and win enough to never deposit on a site cant afford it.

If you master patience, it'll go farther than anything..

Retracting my previous statement about the Omaha freerolls, they are just cooler fest rewarding morons for chasing. Flop the nuts and push the your chips in, lose em, usually to a backdoor flush or runner runner for a boat. WPN's RNG feeds these type of players though so just the freerolls in general are a joke. The RNG is however becoming predictable though so there is that.

Originally Posted by DS3

I joined ACR almost exactly a year ago and the free rolls at that time were 'on demand'. Every time one had finished if another 250 or so signed up (I believe) another would start with no delay. However, they were for $10. They attracted around 500-550 players and that was tough going.

So the 'Guaranteed Fifty Dollar' free rolls quintupled the prize money but the field mainly tops out at around 1, 200 to 1,500 players (trust me I keep records!) so they were greatly improved.

I also remember these $10 on demend , I had some very good results here or on another skin of wpn , if I decded to play with focus I could go last 18 or FT almost easily at least once in a day , they were easy fields . Now I think I have achieved FT once , but then again I have played very few times sice the change . The reason ?? I have to gve them rake for any winnings I will have so up to an amount it's all right , far more better not , I cannot generate a lot of rake , i do not play a lot , only nanos/micros

Having said that , I wonder , CC freerolls , it's not their money like the $50 , or are they ?? Do they demend the same rake (10% is it ??) to withdraw the winnings or not ??

Originally Posted by Alizona

The reason sites don't run one freeroll per day with a large prize pool is because their intent is NOT to make a few people rich, but rather, the intent of a site running freerolls is to give a LOT of players a small amount of money, so hopefully they can become what I call "rake machines" for the site.

I agree

Also I see this on 888poker , how they decided to host many more freerolls , on a daily basis , then add more now for this New App celebration , I guess they will find an excuse to keep some of them and afater 10/1 when the celebration ends .
They need rake-production machines , or else everyone would just play the freerolls , wait to collect $10 or $20 , then ask for a withdrawal of them to his account , lol , if he wasn't forced to play them , to wager them , to generate some rake .
But if you play other game with real buyin either way , then by playing them you win more rakeback , win-win situation , if I am not mistaken ofcourse

Originally Posted by antonis32123

I also remember these $10 on demends

I remember for those, too. They were one of the best kind of freeroll system on any site, I've ever seen, from any point of view, players and rooms. The top 10 paid, you did not have a huge field, if you played few days, you could collect enough to reg for 8-10 micro stakes tourney, it was one of the easiest way to have some bankroll to start, did not take so long, in every 1-1,5 hours you could start to play, it cost less, but definitely not more for the company, as well.

I also remember for the on demand venom sats at the beginning, mixed with the on demand freerolls, you could play the freerolls on 2-3-4 tables all the time. I understand why they changed the venom, even i do not get it, why they have only 1 venom freerolls instead of the 100 places pays the 0.11 tickets (what is just 11$/tourney, so even in on demand it was around 150$/day, so it is like giving away 1-1,5 venom ticket/month, meantime i read plenty venom tickets were given away everywhere in soc media etc....). And that was going on through months, not only for 1 month. But it is their rights to decide it. It definitely won't bring new players, so i do not get the daily one.

Even in nowadays options, I could build a bankroll starting from freerolls, just takes longer, what is pretty strange as the hole daily freeroll guaranted amount is much higher, but the pay out structures are so wild (some pays just top 3, others top 200) that it adds an other gambling, luck factor to the anyway sick freerolls....

Most of the freerolls aren't really fun to play, unfortunately these tournaments with thousands of players are full of players with no strategy at all. Cardschat freerolls are an exemption of it.

ACR free rolls are a waste of time in my opinion.No one will practice any skills,its just go allin and call with nothing.I enjoy playing poker,not all in and just hoping for the best.I also see a certain tone change in alot of the cardschat free rolls.A lot of people are doing the same thing,going all in all the time,and making calls with anything.Not all ,but a lot of people seem to be playing that way.

$ 50 for a thousand participants, very little money, and the possibility of winning something good is very low, there is a room that every 60 minutes there is a $ 150 tournament but there are quite a few bingueros and there a lot of pressure since the initial chips are 20K and that one problem the blinds in an hour the blinds are for 20K VERY DIFFICULT, but a gift horse does not look at the tooth.