Russian Players are now unable to cash out...

[hsimonyan]

In general, the Russian people are suffering in vain, I am sure that they would not like such a turn of events, but these sanctions were expected, now all Russian players can thank their president for such "good" circumstances for them.

 

[DS3]

True for the west. That wasn’t the issue however. The issue is getting people on board for the suffering of Russian citizens. Russia propaganda says Russian citizens support the war effort and we shouldn’t buy that to make ourselves feel better about the suffering of common people....

You fail to grasp or concede the Levada Center polls quoted are not regarded as Russian propaganda and therefore they serve a purpose - we should understand the Russian population is split on the issue of invading Ukraine and supporting Putin.

It's been discussed here within the threads several times and Balo and I have both posted clips from the site 1420 (for example) which mainly feature younger Russians who do not support the invasion or Putin...and yet some still do.

It's a silly conclusion to presume pointing out such facts is propagandizing the West against Russia when it is simply trying to get the best read on the Russian general population as possible.

 

[fundiver199]

True for the west. That wasn’t the issue however. The issue is getting people on board for the suffering of Russian citizens. Russia propaganda says Russian citizens support the war effort and we shouldn’t buy that to make ourselves feel better about the suffering of common people.

There will be suffering regardless from innocent citizens of any countries directly involved and even citizens of other countries to a much lesser degree. The entire point of pushing this propaganda is basically war mongering and trying to muster up public support for current sanctions and possibly more extreme measures in the future. I think we should all hope for de-escalation from all sides and information like this do not support that in any way.

I do agree with your wish for deescalation, but I dont see any reason to think, appeacement or turning the blind eye will stop Putin and his supporters. So I certainly dont buy the idea, that the sanctions imposed on Russia are to hard. If anything its up for debate, if those countries, that support democracy and freedom, have done enough to support Ukraine and limit Russias ability to inflict damage on others.

 

[redmast]

This is not the worst. They are still waiting for very high inflation and the collapse of the ruble. Soon 20 dollars will become equal to their ruble salary . This was already the case in the 90s.

 

[MrrrRock]

brainwashing at its finest if you ask me:icon_bigs
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you dont ask me but if you do... this war will evolve in something spectacular
the good ol days (1940s) are back

the current pop stars are the politicians of eastern europe, no wonder zelensky appeared in grammys

 

[MrrrRock]

Google is but a click away...the history of the Levada Center who's polls are cited as the closest to accurate and independent within Russia.

I've cited them before and even with an acceptable margin of error they still reflect that Putin is popular and as fundiver 1999 pointed out, his popularity has risen each time Russia has taken aggressive action under his direction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levad...olling and sociological research organization.

Further, as several have pointed out Russian members have consistently posted to threads here at CC some inflammatory ideas...yet they have access to this forum, the internet and therefore information as to what is actually taking place in Ukraine.

sorry but what are you exactly expecting from google in that situation?

 

[DS3]

sorry but what are you exactly expecting from google in that situation?

Oh dear.

Perhaps you would like to precise to us all what exactly within the Wikipedia entry (not Google) is incorrect.

 

[MrrrRock]

Oh dear.

Perhaps you would like to precise to us all what exactly within the Wikipedia entry (not Google) is incorrect.

ah, to ''you all''...
you mean your other personalities? oh, dear x2
no need to explain anything:icon_sant

 

[DS3]

ah, to ''you all''...
you mean your other personalities? oh, dear x2
no need to explain anything:icon_sant

So no need to explain...because you cannot explain.

If you are going to make unsubstantiated statements about the lack of credibility of an entity such as the Levada Center (because Google - whatever that is supposed to mean) then expect to be called on it.

 

[barbados]

It seems fair to me.

 

[Backlash]

Crazy thing is they still allow players from Belarus to play still, they should be banned just as Russians are. It's sad this has happened and this isn't but one man's decision on the invasion... The problem is everyone accepts it and the west is to scared to show some military back bone... but wait we can go to Afghanistan and Iraq.

If you go back and look at the polls you will see most of the american people did not support the invasion of Iraq. "They" knew all they had to do was get the support of there "poorly educated" right wing base and they could justify it.

Throw up a few fake charts and some paint by number pictures with WMD's for the morons' and wa-la, the hate filled fascists were on board.....LOL

Afghanistan on the other hand was justified. Some of our actions were certainly questionable but we were not committing atrocities.

 

[hilary antonik filho]

in some time or days, it will be able to return to normal, I hope this happens

 

[povelitelbz]

It 's not fun for Russians , but it 's even worse for Belarusians in this regard .In fact , just for the company and we were assigned to them .Although there really isn't much that depends on our people.

 

[mina271]

In a war there are always innocents who become victims. It is up to the other countries that are not involved in the war to send a clear signal that they are against the war. And i understand that it seems hard for the russian online poker player but it is war and it has its consequences. Not being able to play poker or cash out are small things compared to people getting injured or even losing their lives. Of course, my thoughts and prayers are with the innocent people in this war who have to suffer so much, both for the Ukraine and the Russians.

 

[MrrrRock]

So no need to explain...because you cannot explain.

If you are going to make unsubstantiated statements about the lack of credibility of an entity such as the Levada Center (because Google - whatever that is supposed to mean) then expect to be called on it.

wikipedia, my dear, to google is like your sister to your mother
no need for explanation only because you are too deep into the cnn world

 

[caracaski220]

caracaski220

I guess they should ask Putin for their money. He has stolen enough. I just wish he would stop killing women and children!!

 

[DS3]

wikipedia, my dear, to google is like your sister to your mother
no need for explanation only because you are too deep into the cnn world

Weak tea.

Please, as kindly requested already, inform the thread why Levada Center is not credible.

Further, I was not aware that Google owned Wikipedia or CNN, or that they were related in anyway. Perhaps you could explain that to us also.

 

[ATL2000]

I am pretty sure that the Russian government can block whatever news sources they see fit, which of course is anything that makes them look bad. Never underestimate the power of a dictatorship when it comes to suppressing information.

In addition, it seems well known over there that speaking out can end up with you being placed in a room with no windows for a undetermined period of time.

 

[DS3]

I am pretty sure that the Russian government can block whatever news sources they see fit, which of course is anything that makes them look bad. Never underestimate the power of a dictatorship when it comes to suppressing information.

In addition, it seems well known over there that speaking out can end up with you being placed in a room with no windows for a undetermined period of time.

In fact they can't block everything as has been pointed out in various threads. Many Russians are using Telegram which is still functioning and the widespread use of VPNs has also been noted.

Russians are still freely communicating within this thread for instance.

Further, the most severe media crackdowns occured after the invasion so many Russians knew what was building up and now are well aware they are being shown extreme propaganda on state media.

Additionally, intelligence which had intercepted basic communications from Russian soldiers back to family and friends found them discussing fellow soldiers committing murder and rape, looting and the fact that moral was low. Which would mean increasing numbers have a clear idea of what is taking place in Ukraine.

That said, yes, many are afraid of speaking out.

 

[MrrrRock]

Weak tea.

Please, as kindly requested already, inform the thread why Levada Center is not credible.

Further, I was not aware that Google owned Wikipedia or CNN, or that they were related in anyway. Perhaps you could explain that to us also.

you again missed the point with the analogy - amazing. I kindly ask you to turn your iphone and tv... for a moment (only) and i will explain.

 

[alan222lomax]

I think, there are bot users in several countries and not just Russia. I also think, the vast majority of online poker players from Russia play an honest game. Lets not get overly emotional about this and start blaming whole groups of people for wrongdoing without evidence.

I agree totally. We can't blame all Russians for the acts of individuals.

 

[DS3]

you again missed the point with the analogy - amazing. I kindly ask you to turn your iphone and tv... for a moment (only) and i will explain.

You can't give a direct answer. People are dying by the thousands (which is what this thread is about as a consequence) and all you are doing is playing games after you made a vacuous comment.

 

[MrrrRock]

You can't give a direct answer. People are dying by the thousands (which is what this thread is about as a consequence) and all you are doing is playing games after you made a vacuous comment.

I am playing games? You are playing games with that CNN reverberation... I have friends there. Thats it, buddy, weak tea or coffee, I will not respond to you (but your opinion is not exactly yours and that is annoying for me) in this thread again.
And there are two sides of the coin.

 

[DS3]

I am playing games? You are playing games with that CNN reverberation... I have friends there. Thats it, buddy, weak tea or coffee, I will not respond to you (but your opinion is not exactly yours and that is annoying for me) in this thread again.
And there are two sides of the coin.

First, you are the one with the CNN fixation.

Secondly 'your opinion is not exactly yours'? What?


Yeah, you got nothing. You certainly have nothing to add the substance of the thread.

 

[Poker Orifice]

I am playing games? You are playing games with that CNN reverberation... I have friends there. Thats it, buddy, weak tea or coffee, I will not respond to you (but your opinion is not exactly yours and that is annoying for me) in this thread again.
And there are two sides of the coin.

Pretty sure we've already seen your ability to respond... err inability