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There never seems to be a shortage of things to talk about when it comes to the Hustler Casino Live streams. This time Phil Hellmuth and an interesting hand are the focus of this latest episode.

If you are interested the video is linked below.

Take a look at the 2:14:30 mark.


Read more about it here >>> Phil Hellmuth Plays Controversial Hand on Hustler Casino Live
 
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The video cover 6:30 hours of live footage. Could you provide a time stamp for those of us, who just want to watch the controversial hand? :)
 
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There are two hands that have been discussed on twitter.

Phil folded AK pre flop very deep stacked, and everyone is calling him a nit because of that.

Another interesting hand was when Phil called a bet on the river with K high and his opponent had a set of Queens.

Some say Phil misread his hand. Others say the graphics were wrong and Phil had at least top pair.

I really don't know. It seems like Phil is saving face after a failed hero call but at the same time it's very uncharacteristic of him calling with K high.
 
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Thanks for the video Shelley, I will watch it! Seems good, always is interesting and fun with Phil at the tables. :D
 
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Folding AK preflop is definitely a nitty move but Phil is a tournament player first and a cash player second. Obv he’s thinking his hand is behind or at best not worth the gamble this early. After all AK is beat by any pair. It’s a drawing hand obviously, but I still think I was surprised he folded.
 
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The Pokernews article hones in on one of the most ludicrous hands, where Helmuth bet with only a King high against a set of Queens. There is some thought he misread his hand but who the hell knows with Hellmuth?

Scroll down the page a little and the hand and obligatory cussing is shown -

 
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I believe this is the beginning of the hand in question. @fundiver199 and anyone else interested.

Its the same 6:30 hour long video of the entire stream, you linked to in your original post. The first 30 minutes is just a countdown to, when the stream begin. But if you dont have a link and dont know, when the AK hand was played, then just forget it :),
 
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Something about Hellmuth losing at high stakes cash games that is so appealing. I don't know how to describe it.
Not much has changed over the years. 13 years ago he also made bad calls like this on national television and suffered from massive tilt, when he lost them. 14:46 is the beginning of a hand similar to this one, where Phil call a big river bet with two pair, even there is 4 to a straight and 3 to a flush.

 
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Ok thanks. The clip dont show the beginning of the hand, but seems like it must have been Phil open raising AK from CO to 1.200, then Friedberg called on BTN, J.R. 3-bet from SB, and Alan Keating cold called the 3-bet in the straddle. Alan Keating is known to be a very loose player as witnessed by the fact, he cold called a 3-bet with J8o. So in this situation Phil Helmuth was surely supposed to 4-bet AK to drive out Friedberg and get value from J.R. and Keating. Or at least stick in a call and see a flop. But instead Phil folded, and I can only assume, he was simply not comfortable getting involved in a big pot with AK playing with almost 300k in front of him. And if that was the case, he should not have been in this game in the first place :)
 
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Its the same 6:30 hour long video of the entire stream, you linked to in your original post. The first 30 minutes is just a countdown to, when the stream begin. But if you dont have a link and dont know, when the AK hand was played, then just forget it :),
Take a look at the 2:14:30 mark.
 
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I really love to listening Phil as a commentator. You know, he is passionate about this game, and as a spectator he has a solid intuition about the parties, at least when he sees the hands he has nice comments about them. :)

As a poker player, it's a totally different story. He has a tendency of overcalling hands. Never really puts bets in, and if he does, his raisings and lines are so readable, that it is actually cringe for other, serious players. Can't recall a proper big bluff from him, he may try a bit windy outplay at only one street, but no continuation, no big volumes, so he is usually washed away. All the snap actions, facial expressions, range, sizings are just not there.

I have many thoughts about what he is doing wrong, and I just can hope he realise that this is such a wrong track to be on, people literally laughing at him, not with him - and this is not about the tilting, it's about being an absolute black sheep at the high stakes tables. Maybe would be time to take some steps back from these levels, and practice.
 
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This guy should never, ever, ever, ever play cash games.... what works in tournaments does not work on a cash table but hey don't let that stop ya big guy😎
 
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There never seems to be a shortage of things to talk about when it comes to the Hustler Casino Live streams. This time Phil Hellmuth and an interesting hand are the focus of this latest episode.

If you are interested the video is linked below.


Read more about it here >>> Phil Hellmuth Plays Controversial Hand on Hustler Casino Live
Thanks for sharing Shells, as others have said it is too long a footage to be seen. However, I read the spoilers and understood the issue: I agree with @fundiver199, if the man is afraid of losing he shouldn’t even be playing at these stakes.
Personally Phill Hellmuth, Tom Dur, Patrick Antonious, etc are like characters of Mexican soap opera, good for the market, for entertainment and not very enlightening when it comes to serious comprehension of the lower level limits that we, simple mortals, use to play.
 
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There never seems to be a shortage of things to talk about when it comes to the Hustler Casino Live streams. This time Phil Hellmuth and an interesting hand are the focus of this latest episode.

If you are interested the video is linked below.


Read more about it here >>> Phil Hellmuth Plays Controversial Hand on Hustler Casino Live
These broadcasts are very good and the fact that you can watch all the hands is even more interesting.
Thanks. :as4::ah4:
 
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if the man is afraid of losing he shouldn’t even be playing at these stakes.
Or maybe just not buy in so deep. He did this to prove to himself, that he is not afraid to play deep stacked cash games. But when he end up folding AK preflop to a 3-bet, he proved the exact opposite. If Phil had started this hand with 50k or even 100k rather than 350k, then AK is kind of an easy jam with all that dead money in the pot. And if he get action from TT, they can agree to run it 3 times to reduce variance :)
 
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Or maybe just not buy in so deep. He did this to prove to himself, that he is not afraid to play deep stacked cash games. But when he end up folding AK preflop to a 3-bet, he proved the exact opposite. If Phil had started this hand with 50k or even 100k rather than 350k, then AK is kind of an easy jam with all that dead money in the pot. And if he get action from TT, they can agree to run it 3 times to reduce variance :)

Well, there was an interview after the session when Helmuth walked away from the table.

The interviewer was a bit of a Helmuth sycophant but got him to calm down, at least. However, Helmuth does helmuth. He brags, he's delusional and then states he's likely to skip all the other sessions scheduled as he's not feeling it.

Then Helmuth admits to playing with a $300,000 buy-in was a mistake, he should never have agreed to upping stakes and he says he is going to rescind on the high buy-in stuff and go back to his 10K buy ins. Who knows, its Phil Helmuth and obviously he talks nonsense half the time...but..would anyone be surprised if he just quietly avoided such buy-ins again!?

Interview starts at 2 minutes in...

 
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Then Helmuth admits to playing with a $300,000 buy-in was a mistake, he should never have agreed to upping stakes and he says he is going to rescind on the high buy-in stuff and go back to his 10K buy ins. Who knows, its Phil Helmuth and obviously he talks nonsense half the time...but..would anyone be surprised if he just quietly avoided such buy-ins again!?
Its a pretty basic mistake to play above your bankroll and/or comfort level. A good rule of thumb for cash games is to never sit with more than 5% of your bankroll on the table. So if you buy in for $300k, you should have a poker bankroll of at least $6 million. I have no idea, how rich Phil is, but few professional poker players have that big of a bankroll. And even if you are bankrolled, you should still not play, if you are not comfortable and ok with potentially losing that much in a single hand.
 
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A little out of topic, but talking about Hellmuth...

I think Hellmuth biggest problem in the game it's himself and his short temper. He's a great player overall.
 
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Typical tournament player moves.
 
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