People are talking about Phil Hellmuth and Hustler Casino Live after an interesting hand (and follow-up!)

[JappsPK]

A little out of topic, but talking about Hellmuth...

I think Hellmuth biggest problem in the game it's himself and his short temper. He's a great player overall.

The biggest enemy of Hellmuth is himself hahahha

 

[heguli82]

There are two hands that have been discussed on twitter.

Phil folded AK pre flop very deep stacked, and everyone is calling him a nit because of that.

Another interesting hand was when Phil called a bet on the river with K high and his opponent had a set of Queens.

Some say Phil misread his hand. Others say the graphics were wrong and Phil had at least top pair.

I really don't know. It seems like Phil is saving face after a failed hero call but at the same time it's very uncharacteristic of him calling with K high.

That king high call was horrible It was result of slowly but surely growing feeling which takes phil over and then he are not in control hes moves, looks little bit psychotic to me but its entertaining And what a character, he realize whats happened and make quikly plan in hes head, how the explain that what just happend to the audience. And for phil, that what other people think about him as a poker player, is too important Its like he thinks that he have to do something macigal at the table.

 

[DS3]

Here is a follow-up to the original topic:

Hellmuth Rage-Quits on Livestream after Enduring Career-High Losses​

It's pointless believing anything the way that Helmuth frames it - his career high loss?

Here's a clip taken from a London televised cash game from years ago during another Hellmuth walk out.

Hellmuth had punted off 3 x $100,000 buy ins here, I believe. But, more to the point was a hilarious incident which went the rounds at the time. Hellmuth being interviewed on his way out of the casino complains about Phil Ivey holding over him. He notes a bad beat Ivey gave him in LA but then mentions Ivey taking him for $536,000 playing Chinese poker. If I recall correctly that was during an EPT Monaco event and there was a hilarious interview (long since evaporated) with Tiffany Michelle where Hellmuth, taking himself seriously, explains his bad luck with Ivey (he said he had to call his wife) with Tiffany literally laughing at him and the ridiculous idea he flipped half a million away.

The admission Ivey took him for 536K is at 10 minutes and five seconds...

 

[dreamer13]

Now, as we can see, he is also addicted to the casino, what can I say, he is a rich man, during his 35-year poker career, Hellmuth won $25,411,159 in prize money in live tournaments and ranks 20th among the most productive poker players in history.He does not take defeat well and often allows himself to make disrespectful remarks towards opponents.

 

[fundiver199]

during his 35-year poker career, Hellmuth won $25,411,159 in prize money in live tournaments

Those lists are basically meaningless though, because they dont count the buyins only the cashes. If someone paid $30.000.000 to play and only cashed for $25.000.000, that means, they actually lost $5.000.0000.

 

[Luvepoker]

For all of Phils faults he did do one very smart thing we could all learn from. He knew he was on tilt and left. Had he stayed it would have gotten very ugly.

What I do find odd about Phil is this, he is a great poker player. He is better at tournaments over cash for sure but at this point in life how he has never gotten his temper and attitude under control is sad. We have all seen players tilt and lose more even faster. Can you imagine how much he has lost this way?

 

[fundiver199]

For all of Phils faults he did do one very smart thing we could all learn from. He knew he was on tilt and left. Had he stayed it would have gotten very ugly.

That is very true. The worst thing, we can do in poker, is to keep playing on tilt "trying to get unstuck". Just for clarification though, since I was also confused by this, Phil did stay until the end of the Hustler stream, where he folded AK preflop and paid off with KT high. Or at least so the graphics showed, but he say, he had AT. That hand happened right towards the end of the stream, and Phil ended up down almost 200k.

It was the next day on Live at The Bike, that he walked out after losing a big pot with KK to AKs, that had flopped the nut flush in a 4-bet pot. It was also here, he got needled by Robbi Lew, when he came back to the table to pick up a chip, he left. I first thought, she had done this on social media, which would have been ridiculous. But she was at the table, and what she said was actually kind of funny. She said "the only way to get out of a hole is by continue digging". Which is actually kind of saying, that it was a smart decision by Phil to leave

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

For all of Phils faults he did do one very smart thing we could all learn from. He knew he was on tilt and left. Had he stayed it would have gotten very ugly.

Hmmmm. Not sure if that was acknowledgment of being tilted.

everytime he quitted a televised game, it was out of frustration of losing 2/3 big hands in a row because he made a terrible hero call or got unlucky. Something like "I'm too good to lose that many times"

It is not very different than a teenager rage quitting a NBA 2k/Fifa game because he thinks the game is rigged.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Those lists are basically meaningless though, because they dont count the buyins only the cashes. If someone paid $30.000.000 to play and only cashed for $25.000.000, that means, they actually lost $5.000.0000.

I'm sure he made a fortune back during poker Boom days via sponsorships & of course UltimateBet.

 

[fundiver199]

I'm sure he made a fortune back during poker Boom days via sponsorships & of course UltimateBet.

Most likely yes. I am just pointing out, that those lists over, how much people have cashed for in live tournaments, are pretty pointless, since they dont count the money spend to play. If someone play any super high stakes event, that run anywhere in the world, they will eventually make it to the top of the list, even if they are a somewhat losing player.

 

[Vallet]

As far as I understand from the article, people are outraged by Phil's fold with the AK hand. I found his hand in the video. The mark is 2 hours and 15 minutes. There are a lot of opponents on the preflop, but the main one with the TT hand on the blinds. The board would not have brought Helmut a certain hand in the future.
I also came across an interesting hand in which Helmut has KK against QQ. And he still lost

 

[fundiver199]

The board would not have brought Helmut a certain hand in the future.

Which of course dont matter. Its still a very bad fold.

 

[skaterick]

i enjoy watching him play .... win or lose.

 

[smoked100000]

not many give the man credit but he does bring the excitement on himself thats for sure.