AjsmenX
Rock Star
Silver Level
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ChuckNola
Rock Star
Silver Level
J,8,4 rainbow set over set is tough especially if you have the 88.
You might be able to limit the damage if you had 44 on that flop because you might be able to put your opponent on maybe 88 or JJ and slow down the aggression on the flop a bit
You might be able to limit the damage if you had 44 on that flop because you might be able to put your opponent on maybe 88 or JJ and slow down the aggression on the flop a bit
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
If that's all true though, and this hand actually happened, then surely he played it perfectly? Getting it all in with a set against a player who's very likely to stack something like a naked top pair would seem to be the right thing to do...
AjsmenX
Rock Star
Silver Level
If I am right as someone mentioned above.. It was set over stronger set..How it is possible to get better set after floping top pair vs floped set? In that case floped set is gonna become full house if opponent hits set on the river or the turn ,right? Yeah only in case that opponent has stronger pocket pairs hand this scenario is possible
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
I really don't know what you're getting at, but this is the point:
You're saying he shouldn't be bluffing in these games because he's playing against rich donkeys who will call his bluffs with weak hands.
In this alleged hand he flopped middle set. He wasn't bluffing. And if he is, indeed, playing against rich donkeys who will call him down with weak hands then getting all the money in was the right thing to do. The fact that he lost to a higher set isn't particularly relevant (unless you're wrong about the people he's playing against, which is very possible).
Also, a hand like this shows the value of retaining bluffs as part of your game: even the most loose-passive player will learn to recognise a tight player who never bluffs, and that'll make it harder for the tight player to get paid when they do hit big. Dwan's bluffs and image will be part of what makes it possible for him to win big pots when he does catch big hands.
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Dodgethis2k
Enthusiast
Silver Level
If I had $20 million to lose, I sure as hell wouldn't...bet it.
"Stupid is as stupid does, sir." -- some guy named after trees or something.
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Dodgethis2k
Enthusiast
Silver Level
...that isn't going well.
...put Tom on the pedestal you do. Personally I believe he is a nice guy AND a total luck box. Every time I see him play he does something stupid and sucks out. It's about time his dumb luck ran out.
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Chemist
Legend
Silver Level
Another thread for making quick comments without reading any of the above.
Time to bump a phil ivey thread?
The Hong Kong dollar theory makes a lot of sense.
And OzExorcist is usually right about things.
But this is a year old rumour.
If anyone else really cares, then they can do a bit of research and try to contribute something useful or factual.
An eye witness actually says it was a 30 million USD pot
Someone else said:
It was actually 60 million and Dwan called with 8 high versus a guy with jack high. At the end Dwan said "I knew you were weak, so I thought eight high was good, it generally is in that spot."
Daniel (Jungleman) Cates tale quoted many times last april was that the biggest pot he had ever witnessed was Dwan losing about 20milUSD in a set-over-set confrontation in Macau.
Quite possibly the authors of the articles could have mistakenly added the usd. Or Dan could have been telling a misleading tale to bump the Durr Challenge thread.
Enter Doug Polk again:
https://www.pokertube.com/poker-new...r-challenge-the-largest-scam-in-poker-history
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
Interesting - there seem to be a bunch of variations on the stories and those telling them... let's just say they don't seem to be agenda-free when it comes to Dwan.
I haven't followed Dwan's exploits closely because frankly I don't care that much, and ever since Black Friday it's mostly just been rumours and innuendo anyway.
Anywho, is it possible it was actually US dollars? Sure. I do know though that if they're playing those big games in Macau with US dollars now then that's a change. Playing in HKD is definitely the norm for those casinos, and it's what was being used in those big games back when they started and somewhat reliable, impartial reports were coming out about them.
I haven't followed Dwan's exploits closely because frankly I don't care that much, and ever since Black Friday it's mostly just been rumours and innuendo anyway.
Anywho, is it possible it was actually US dollars? Sure. I do know though that if they're playing those big games in Macau with US dollars now then that's a change. Playing in HKD is definitely the norm for those casinos, and it's what was being used in those big games back when they started and somewhat reliable, impartial reports were coming out about them.
