What gives you more money plus by playing in CASH or playing in Tournaments?


I play in tournaments, but I began to notice that I am very exhausted on them and do not spend much money on them . Here I think maybe I should go to the cache ? Share your vision ?

you have to choose one discipline, and play it often, learn more and everything will work out)

each format requires different skill sets, and which one makes you more money will depend on your skills

if you have massive patience, and plenty of hours to play poker each day, tournaments may be more profitable for you

if you don't have good patience and only have a few hours to play each day, cash games will likely be more profitable for you

tournaments require much investment of time and smaller investment of money

cash games require less investment of your time, but a bigger investment of your money

there is no easy route to making money in poker, just because cash games requires less time investment, that doesn't mean you can make money quicker... in my opinion, cash games are much harder to succeed than tournaments... but since we're only going to cash in 20% of our tournaments (which is a typical cash rate for a good tournament pro), we can go a LONG time in between making money when we play tournaments, so you have to be prepared for that.

It really boils down to personal preference and what your specific skills are. Best wishes whichever poker method you choose! I think it is best to play both methods, cash and tournaments, because each skill set can help the other out. Becoming a good cash player will help your tournament game, and learning tournament skills might improve your cash game, teach you a bit of patience, etc.

Good morning everyone, in my opinion Mtts are much easier to make money than cash games. The secret of poker is to play a lot of Mtts and study that you will win more and more money, I really like cash games, I think it is much more fun to play cash zoom, than Mtts, but it is a more difficult game to master. I read a news on the superpoker website, that a player who used to play $ 1 Mtts, won a ticket to the pokerstars sunday million, playing satellite and spiked Mtt, earning $ 1,192,802.46, playing Mtts you can have one day good and spike a Mtt and earn a lot of money, more playing cash games, you will hardly win more than $ 1,000, only the players who are the best in the world earn more than that and if you play micros, which is my case to win $ 50, you have to play something like 40 or 50,000 hands. You are more likely to make a lot of money from Mtts than by playing cash. I also had a dismay with poker, but I learned a little about the variance of the game and today I am very calm and I know that the secret is to play a lot, that one hour comes the big hit.

Originally Posted by filippfilm

What gives you more money plus by playing in CASH or playing in Tournaments?


I play in tournaments, but I began to notice that I am very exhausted on them and do not spend much money on them . Here I think maybe I should go to the cache ? Share your vision ?

If you win a tournament the prize is big, but iy is more difficult to win a tornament.

I like more tournaments because without investing a lot you can make a profit, I try to play the satellites to qualify in tournaments ,,, in cash for me it is difficult because in a single hand you can lose a lot of type all in preflop with AA and you lose and you have to row, personal point of view but I consider that there is greater benefit in tournaments

I see cash as an improvement on deep stack MTTs. These are the stages of tournaments with a strong line-up at the beginning of the tournament for example

Definitely cash game because in cash games you need far less luck to win money. I am not a fan of tournament poker. Television has made tournament poker look glamorous and like a competition where skill prevails. However, the truth of the matter is that luck plays much larger factor in tournament than in ring games. Think about it this way: at a regular no-limit game, if you started with $ 2,000 what is the chance that you would end up with $ 2 million before the night was over? Zero. However, to win a tournament where each player has 2k starting chips and 1,000 people enter, you would need to win two million in chips to win the tournament. Not an easy feat to do unless lady luck truly smiled upon you that day!

Tku for your contribution, it complete text. I think the okay cash game is more dangerous. You need a good stack against villains.

Originally Posted by Alizona

each format requires different skill sets, and which one makes you more money will depend on your skills

if you have massive patience, and plenty of hours to play poker each day, tournaments may be more profitable for you

if you don't have good patience and only have a few hours to play each day, cash games will likely be more profitable for you

tournaments require much investment of time and smaller investment of money

cash games require less investment of your time, but a bigger investment of your money

there is no easy route to making money in poker, just because cash games requires less time investment, that doesn't mean you can make money quicker... in my opinion, cash games are much harder to succeed than tournaments... but since we're only going to cash in 20% of our tournaments (which is a typical cash rate for a good tournament pro), we can go a LONG time in between making money when we play tournaments, so you have to be prepared for that.

It really boils down to personal preference and what your specific skills are. Best wishes whichever poker method you choose! I think it is best to play both methods, cash and tournaments, because each skill set can help the other out. Becoming a good cash player will help your tournament game, and learning tournament skills might improve your cash game, teach you a bit of patience, etc.

Cash games are more profitable than tournaments.

in tournaments the luck factor is more present and you need more time daily.
Cash is the game where you can develop your stack with patience.
I like playing both :

cash 70%
tournament 30%

In my experience its easier to make money in small field MTTs than either cash games or STTs. The downside is, MTTs require a lot of time committment, and variance is also going to be larger. This is for online poker. If you are a live player just starting out, there is probably no way around going to the cash games in your local casino, since these run every night, which MTTs dont.

I think cash games are more profitable, but for my person, I made more profit in MTT's (Maybe because there are a lot of freerolls, maybe as a beginner, few months ago, I had great losses in cash).
Anyway, with patience and good bankroll management, cash might be more profitable. Also important is to take the right moment to leave a table. Sometimes I was succesful at a cashtable and felt as the dominating player which leads to less patience and concentration and my gains disappeared rapidly.

Tournaments are more profitable IMHO- specifically Sit and Gos. I play exclusively 6 max so there is little variance and I'm in the money 45% of the time and I make a killing. In larger MTT tourneys luck becomes a bigger factor. Even if you are skilled and always get your money in as a 70- 85% favorite, it still takes luck not to bust. I occasionally play cash games and I'm profitable, but it's a slow grind and the strategy is very different. And it's kind of boring.

I also don't have the time (or the patience) to play large tourneys. And to play for 4 or 5 hours to only make double your buy-in, or worse bust out. No thank you.

i just switched from sit n go and tournaments I found my concentration would waver and the next thing I knew i was out.
The other day was my first go at a 10/20 ring game I figured that was something I could handle and most players would at a similar skill level. I started with $10 and over an hour so was up to $38. then boom I was back to zero. the sad thing is I could see it happening and didn't do anything to stop it.T he only one to blame was me for changing the way I was playing. Mostly conservative with some bluffs thrown in late hands. Does anyone with experience in micro ring games have any advice. Thks

For me it all depends on the grind I'm looking for. I prefer trny's and sng's but I also like playing PLO and PLO8, where I have way better results in ring-games.

for me tournys are generally more reliable to make money from. Less risk of bots. However, it sucks having to spend 5+ hours in ONE tournament to maybe make some money.

Hi! The cash game is different from the mtts, you should study it before playing, but it allows you a much more controlled management of your money, since it has much less variance and playing with sufficient funds will only depend on your ability and time to increase profits and climb levels. The mtts are very hard in terms of their variance and it is difficult to estimate how much money you can win or lose in the short term, but if your skill in tournaments is higher than the average you could decrease the variance by playing sit and go, you can choose from a table with 9 players and from there see if you increase your buy in or choose to play against more opponents, but this will increase the variance, therefore also if this is more profitable than mtts. Greetings and good luck at the tables!

Hi! I think tournaments are more profitable, you play more, you learn more, you invest less and you measure yourself with players of any level

Cash can be more profitable quicker.

I particularly see tournaments as more profitable than cash, the experiences and profits were higher playing tournaments...

There are sure to be pros in the cash game who play for very serious amounts online or live.
But there are a good few serious tournament players who have plenty of extras in their careers.
There are definitely sites where these are listed.

There are pros and cons in both try to be successful in both fields of poker.

For me tournaments are slightly more profitable. Recently I stopped playing cash games because I was not very successful in them.

Someone’s style of play is more profitable in cash play and someone’s in tournament poker, and there are players who aren’t profitable anywhere. It is best for them to play only freerolls and play-money games.

Originally Posted by filippfilm

What gives you more money plus by playing in CASH or playing in Tournaments?


I play in tournaments, but I began to notice that I am very exhausted on them and do not spend much money on them . Here I think maybe I should go to the cache ? Share your vision ?

In short term, playing properly, the cash games looks better to me, in long term, tournaments.

i would have to say tournaments over a year

Sometimes is better to play cash games. For example now when im a father i have no time for tournaments decided to switch to cash game for 2-3h a day tournaments takes to much ttime

Yes tournaments are more profitable

Cash, but more emotional draining when on a downturn and requires better tilt control. In a tournament you only lose the buy-in.

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U have to be good at poker in general to get profit,

I only play in tournaments, because here you can win, although not immediately, and if you play for money, you can lose everything in one hand.

All poker formats are profitable if you know how to beat them..
I think the hardest one are the Spins..

Of course the cache.
1) Accessibility - play whenever you want.
2) Select - the ability to choose opponents.
3) Unlike cash, MTT tournaments are a highly dispersed format of the game. This means that you may not be lucky for a long time, you may be standing in one place for a long time.

Tournament's if the buy-in is a decent amount, and you are a skilled tournament player. And as someone else on here also mentioned a lot of time. Cash games also, but, only if you are running well for a period of time that would equal what you would have made in a few tournaments. It is a delicate balance.

For me, cash games are boring, so I often lose in them. It is more pleasant to play tournaments.

Both may be profitable in their way.

Well i use to play only tournament game for 3 year in the past and i was a loosing player but now i shifted almost completely to cash game and plays few tournament in a week using the profits i make from the cash games. If you ask me why here is my analysis please read it very carefully.

If you playing only tournament and you have limit bankroll with no back up money , chances are you will go broke quite often even if you are a winning player. People will say you should play tournament because the pay out is huge. Here is my question how often do you get into the final table in a week, month or a year? Trust me it won't be much even for the pros. You will easily get frustrated when you lost money for days playing tournament and sometime you will ask yourself, am i good enough or is the game too hard for me that kind of mentality will surely effect your decision making and game play. Sometimes you will run so good for days and will feel like you are a genius. All this happen because variance in online poker tournament is too high.

And finally after 3 years of loosing money i make a decision that makes me a winning player and withdraw a sizeable amount of money every month i.e i started playing mostly cash game and i invested 30% of whatever profit i earn from cash game to play tournament, i mean i only play tournament with the profit i make from the cash game and remember it is absolutely necessary to play tournament to build up your bankroll because from cash game you will earn steady income but from tournament you will sometimes win big . Now suddenly all the pressure are completely gone, my game play had improved and i started making money. It works for me and you too can do it .

Originally Posted by Sakthu

Well i use to play only tournament game for 3 year in the past and i was a loosing player but now i shifted almost completely to cash game and plays few tournament in a week using the profits i make from the cash games. If you ask me why here is my analysis please read it very carefully.

If you playing only tournament and you have limit bankroll with no back up money , chances are you will go broke quite often even if you are a winning player. People will say you should play tournament because the pay out is huge. Here is my question how often do you get into the final table in a week, month or a year? Trust me it won't be much even for the pros. You will easily get frustrated when you lost money for days playing tournament and sometime you will ask yourself, am i good enough or is the game too hard for me that kind of mentality will surely effect your decision making and game play. Sometimes you will run so good for days and will feel like you are a genius. All this happen because variance in online poker tournament is too high.

And finally after 3 years of loosing money i make a decision that makes me a winning player and withdraw a sizeable amount of money every month i.e i started playing mostly cash game and i invested 30% of whatever profit i earn from cash game to play tournament, i mean i only play tournament with the profit i make from the cash game and remember it is absolutely necessary to play tournament to build up your bankroll because from cash game you will earn steady income but from tournament you will sometimes win big . Now suddenly all the pressure are completely gone, my game play had improved and i started making money. It works for me and you too can do it .

Read up on BRM (Bankroll Management).
It is commonly known that a player should have a bankroll consisting of 200 buyins for MTT's. (I think 100 is enough for micro stakes, as long as the tournaments you are playing are not just the ones with very large number of entrants). Cash game, 20 to 30 buyins is sufficient.

I have to say that I struggle to be profitable in tournaments, but I do pretty well with cash games. I think it has to do with how a lot of tournament players play cash games, and don't really know how to adjust. I like how Harrington makes a comparison between deep stack cash games and venture capitalism...I like the format where it is more of a game of patience, but at the same time anything can happen on any given hand.

The ideal circumstance in cash game is having a really big hand, and matching up another really big hand that isn't quite as good as yours. I feel like tournament is more focused on getting value out of your hands when you can.

In the short term cash is better but in the long term tourneys are better

I think income does not depend on the chosen discipline, but on skill. The only thing is that if it is limited in time, then it is better to choose a cache and devote time to learning in it

...I've debated this with myself and other's many times...

...What I've found to be true for me is that...

...I have to find, realize, and "hone in" on what games I'm good at! (not the ones I want to beat my friends at, but the ones I win at naturally). Talking about online play here, for me currently, mainly PLO cash games (PLO has more action bc of more variance), NLH cg's, and Blitz or Zone Poker.

(BLITZ Poker is great because you can hop in and out as much as you want, collecting profit, without having to wait thirty minutes or violating a"rat-hole" policy if attempting to sit back at the same table with less than what you left with.)...


IF YOU want to get TECHNICAL, then i suppose you could say that technically Tournaments are more profitable in general... Most people in cash games will 'cashout' at a point of double-up or triple-up. However, in a tournament...1st place might get 100+ times their buyin... which is a way higher profit.... which is typically way more than the average player or any player stands to earn in a cash game.

(I believe)
...To make the money, or top 3, in more than 30% of the tournaments you play, is considered "good" or "average" for most professional poker players...

TIME WISE...for me...CASH GAMES ALL DAY... with an occasional tournament or two with "good value" (i've been trying to improve on my 2-day tourneys)....

...The beauty with cash games online, is that you can cash out whenever you want and hop on another table (at another stake even)WAAAY FASTER THAN YOU COULD OR WOULD IN A LIVE CASINO, making your "Rounds" so to speak...... switching between tables in a matter of seconds...Doing this properly while following a risk model for bankroll management, then, i believe, and in my experience, cash games become more profitable.

...Where as when you're playing LIVE at a friends house, or house game... you have to call thirty minutes... or an hour... before you leave(If you want to leave when you're "UP"). So, the other players get a shot at winning their money back...

GOOD LUCK!
(Labor Under Correct Knowledge)

Poker tournaments are easier to understand for a novice, but they take a significant time commitment and your wins will be variable.
Cash games, on the other hand, place fewer demands on your time and provide more steady winnings.
It is ultimately your decision whether to play in tournaments or cash games. For me personal, nothing compares to the thrill of making it deep into a huge field event. That exhilaration is something you won't find in a cash game.

Originally Posted by tomk7788

Cash, but more emotional draining when on a downturn and requires better tilt control. In a tournament you only lose the buy-in.

I would suggest the complete opposite of this ^
Tournaments can be more brutal on the emotions because of the time investment. You can be playing GREAT, going on a deep run in a number of MTT's and then WHAM you can get donked badly in a short period of time. What was a few deep runs can quickly become a few min-cashes.
In cash game I welcome players getting it in bad and doubling through me (or getting coolered) as you immediately reload to max. buyin and continue on. Unless you allow that to negatively influence how you proceed to play, it has really little to no effect.

Originally Posted by ender0713

(I believe)
...To make the money, or top 3, in more than 30% of the tournaments you play, is considered "good" or "average" for most professional poker players...

It is actually closer to 12%-to-14% for professional players, a tad higher for micro stakes regs. It's possible to also see some micro stakes players with a higher ITM % but typically the type of player going for 'min-cashes' (basically the Allen Kessler type)

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

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Word!

Cash is way more profitable. If you use a calculation where time = $$$

Originally Posted by filippfilm

What gives you more money plus by playing in CASH or playing in Tournaments?


I play in tournaments, but I began to notice that I am very exhausted on them and do not spend much money on them . Here I think maybe I should go to the cache ? Share your vision ?

I for one LOVE MTT's. The problem is my bankroll does not. I can barely handle the variance of cash games let alone MTT's. For the time being I may enter a hanful of free rolls a week but I practically never cash in them. Although yesterday I did make $0.30 off the cardschat one I believe. hahah #feelsgoodman