Real difference between live and online

[bigpappa325]

Its funny "you play more hands faster" yada yada. I love the great advice of members who seldom have a clue. Tonight's joke of a tourney was quick. I had plans that was going to take me away from tourney about thirty minutes so i had thirty minutes to build a pot to hold over. So i decided maybe take a shot if i get a chance. Missed first hand by seconds so i watched the hand play. Watched the guy with high VPIP limp in. Button raises and this guy goes all in. Button has low VPIP and is a regular. He calls and the donk shows 10.7 diamonds. Button has a,k off. Flop was k,10,7. Over in a quickly. Donked.

Second hand im in. I get a,q off. I normally stay away from all in with donks without top pair. But with time constraints and the same guy limping again i new i had this calling station. I pushed all in and as usual he called. He flips a,6 off. Which was better than i figured but three outer isn't bad odds. Flops A,10,6. So it didn't matter if i went all in because its set up to get those chips either way.

See you can say its luck and maybe it was. But two decent players(yes i called myself decent) with low VPIP get donked by same quality player who couldn't fold a hand.

I'm not soar or tilted. It is what it is. I give opinions and i expect everyone to make up their own minds. I don't care one way or the other. Peace be with you.

 

[Poker_Mike]

Had a desirable night playing cards at the card house. As usual you get new players coming in talking junk at the table. First hour he was losing and he made a comment that hes not used to no action playing cards. Guys said your a online player and started laughing. Of coarse I dont tell them I play online for obvious reasons. But the kid was surprised hardly ever a flush or a straight hit the board. No one showed a flush and a river. High card usually won because most people didnt hit the board.

I started thinking about it and as soon as i got home i jumped online in a couple of tourneys and the kid was right. Online every other hand is full of great cards. I said great cards but not winning hands.

Any of you play a reasonable amount of both live and online with a real opinion?:damnmate:

I feel as if (no data) online rooms are more "entertainment" oriented. They are geared to give the players a real "thrill"....."hey I got a set - or a nut-flush draw". And if you win with it that's great....but if you lose with it you are likely to "try again".

I have purposely sat at a live table and instructed myself to "not go crazy". And, sometimes I have literally (after 2-4 hours) left breaking even due to careful play when the cards did not "favor" me.

This never seems to happens online.

Good luck !

 

[JReg1322]

Its funny "you play more hands faster" yada yada. I love the great advice of members who seldom have a clue. Tonight's joke of a tourney was quick. I had plans that was going to take me away from tourney about thirty minutes so i had thirty minutes to build a pot to hold over. So i decided maybe take a shot if i get a chance. Missed first hand by seconds so i watched the hand play. Watched the guy with high VPIP limp in. Button raises and this guy goes all in. Button has low VPIP and is a regular. He calls and the donk shows 10.7 diamonds. Button has a,k off. Flop was k,10,7. Over in a quickly. Donked.

Second hand im in. I get a,q off. I normally stay away from all in with donks without top pair. But with time constraints and the same guy limping again i new i had this calling station. I pushed all in and as usual he called. He flips a,6 off. Which was better than i figured but three outer isn't bad odds. Flops A,10,6. So it didn't matter if i went all in because its set up to get those chips either way.

See you can say its luck and maybe it was. But two decent players(yes i called myself decent) with low VPIP get donked by same quality player who couldn't fold a hand.

I'm not soar or tilted. It is what it is. I give opinions and i expect everyone to make up their own minds. I don't care one way or the other. Peace be with you.

thank you for your advice today big papa I wasn't intertops tournament last of the final table made it to number two should have one but I didn't take your advice when you get one-on-one you say don't shove unless it's king is better I got Queen Jack suited he had had King Ace a couple hands ago like two hands before they so I thought no way you have it again and that he should have died should have been out rolls King Ace that he has my queen Jack suited and then the flop was Ace ten 7 and then King 7 so you have lost but played a lot better get my levelhead didn't play any crap had a couple of good brakes one time I accidentally hit call instead of fold and I had nine for unsuited and ended up getting three nines and knocking the guy out appreciate all the info and all the help

 

[fundiver199]

High card usually won because most people didnt hit the board.

The chances of two players missing completely, after all cards are dealt, are no more than around 25%, and in multiway pots the number drop even further. So using your own logic, this is evidence, that the card room, where you played, must be rigged

 

[bigpappa325]

The chances of two players missing completely, after all cards are dealt, are no more than around 25%, and in multiway pots the number drop even further. So using your own logic, this is evidence, that the card room, where you played, must be rigged

I didn't have percentages because keeping up with live play is much harder. but 25% is a quarter of the time right. Hell of a lot more than online that's a guarantee. But numbers wise its the same as flipping a quarter. Might take hundreds of thousands of hands to even out. Always a numbers game. Knowing how many outs in a hand will be more useful then how many times you think you should hit a card on the board. The boys(one lady also) will get a kick that we are on the rigged tables. This i did enjoy. But your right maybe they are mechanics working us all.

Remember once you get out of the pennies phase and start playing 15/30 or higher you become a bit more selective in cards. If not those lucky days don't out number the unlucky ones. Those are the recreational players you look for. But so is everybody else at the tables. But for norm sake usually narrows down to two players in the hand. Thanks for the education lesson maybe we will play someday so you can continue the schooling. :laugh:

 

[bigpappa325]

thank you for your advice today big papa I wasn't intertops tournament last of the final table made it to number two should have one but I didn't take your advice when you get one-on-one you say don't shove unless it's king is better I got Queen Jack suited he had had King Ace a couple hands ago like two hands before they so I thought no way you have it again and that he should have died should have been out rolls King Ace that he has my queen Jack suited and then the flop was Ace ten 7 and then King 7 so you have lost but played a lot better get my levelhead didn't play any crap had a couple of good brakes one time I accidentally hit call instead of fold and I had nine for unsuited and ended up getting three nines and knocking the guy out appreciate all the info and all the help

Glad it worked out for you.

 

[JReg1322]

Glad it worked out for you.

Sorry about the misspelling bro I use voice text and don't read it after

 

[riverokker]

Yah live tournaments are way better then online tournaments. For a reason in live tournaments you can actually win by playing good cards. And by beating your opponent. Playing online there's always action by action flops. Then the guy with suited junk always wins with 2 pair or flush. Its sick.

 

[BadluckBubba]

Thank you for that bro I play online lot pretty much only do you have any suggestions I was I'm not really up on I guess poker terminology a whole lot cuz I'm kind of new to it... What are coolers in suckouts and I saw you mention something about every six hands have you may be figured out the pattern that goes on in the software and online poker I just noticed when I win and I play on the same site for a while and I get up it seems like all of a sudden the hands that I get that I won with I get those same hands I start to lose the only do I lose the profit I made I lose my investment till it's damn they're all gone I think once I lose and start to see maybe a chunk of the profit I made I should probably switch sights and play somewhere else and then come back to it because it's happening way too much work I'll use $20 get up 80 pick up doing great stay there on that same site and end up within the next eight to 10 hours losing it all because the same hands I was winning with I'm now getting my ass chewed with

A cooler is when you hit a monster hand that is impossible to get away from but you are beaten. Example " KK and flop comes 4K8 rainbow. Turn comes another 8 and River 7. The only hand in the world that beats your full boat is 2 x 8 and the likely hood the other player has it is almost zero........but they have it. You are coolered.

A suckout is when you have your opponent dead to rights and they hit running cards to catch up and beat you. Usually the money gets in before the last cards are dealt and you are ahead or way ahead and watch your opponent get lucky to come from behind and win. Almost never ever happens to me live. Happens every few hands online.

As for patterns. Over 3 years my Hud and spreadsheet has taught me some lessons. Example :2 pair on the flop against a loose player should be a MASSIVE hand for you. My career at Acr is disaster. I have learned to fold these a lot more often. Turn and River almost ALWAYS complete flushes, or straits, or pair the board making your 2 pair counterfeit. Example: Played a guy with a 95% vpip, this means he plays damn never every hand. So basically any 2 cards. I had 78 suited. Flop comes J87 rainbow. I bet, donk jams.......I call knowing im dead to the run out , player turns over J3 off suit that he called my 3bet raise with preflop. Still im way ahead with 2 pair to his top pair but he hits his 3rd jack on the river. Another player says in chat he holds the 4th jack. So donk player playing any 2 cards hits top pair and of course he is never going away with top pair. Software gives both players what they need to not go away and software catches worse player up to win the hand they had no business being in. Makes them feel like a winner.

 

[bianconi_10]

The diference its about the volume.

 

[GWU73]

Live you have to read and cover body language. People are likely to gamble without any concept of odds. (I have ONLY played 1/2NL and some smaller back room games live) Bad beats happen there too. I once saw a girl go all in every hand and win an 8-table freeroll tournament.

Online there are still really bad players in the micros. More tight players. Access to advanced statistics via HUD and notes replace live tells. Mass volume available for multi-table playing people. Even 4 tables is 250+ hands per hour.

 

[ivey2020]

I think you get better cards cause you see more hands in the long run plus if your mtt you see multiple hands per minute vs. live where your at the whim of the other players who may or may not take their time plus you can have multiple screens. On a side note i think online plays can be just as or even better than live players.

 

[witfighter]

Online your seeing so many more hands that it feels like odd things are way to common. Also live is almost a different game all together.

 

[bigpappa325]

The chances of two players missing completely, after all cards are dealt, are no more than around 25%, and in multiway pots the number drop even further. So using your own logic, this is evidence, that the card room, where you played, must be rigged

Ever sense you said this you know how many hands i noticed no one hit. 1.......out of thousands just sense this comment. What happen to 25%. It resets every hand. Jokester

 

[timeforachange]

we all know bad beats happen, but in my opinion of my 30 plus years of playing cards at casinos and online, the hands and beats that are shown online are far different than that of live. I have taken probably more than 75 percent of bad beats online then i do live. but hey isnt that what is called variance? most of my live hands i win with bottom pair or high card lol

 

[bigpappa325]

we all know bad beats happen, but in my opinion of my 30 plus years of playing cards at casinos and online, the hands and beats that are shown online are far different than that of live. I have taken probably more than 75 percent of bad beats online then i do live. but hey isnt that what is called variance? most of my live hands i win with bottom pair or high card lol

Thats poker.

I have no issues with losing. Remember its a skill game to. Whats the worst hand you can give a decent player than 7,2. Mid card with low card. Most wont play unless blinded in. I get these cards 50 % of the time.

Major issue i have is when im 80% better to win post flop and lose. Im just shy of 50% in these situations. Three year slump. i think not. Sad is poker stars play money is better than ACR. :ciao::ciao::ciao::ciao::ciao::ciao::ciao::ciao::ciao::ciao::ciao::ciao::ciao::ciao:

 

[bigpappa325]

Real difference for me is i win live. Little over 630 dollars tonight. had i think two bad beats and a couple suck outs.

Got home went to cash less than thirty minutes i had four flopped straights All in and lost on river flush. Left table went to another one happen again. I don't really need other opinions for me to believe. ridiculous
:captain::captain::captain:

 

[Deedgee]

I think that the biggest differences between live and online play are time, in terms of the number hands that you can play online per hour versus the live games, and the quality of the players that you encounter, who are much looser online than in live games. After moving to playing exclusively to online games, after playing for a decade in live games, I would find it very difficult to go back to live tables, mostly because of the slowness of the live games but also because of the physical toll that playing at live tables takes on you, which is very underrated when comparing live and online games. I'm talking about travelling to your local casino and waiting for a table, which I find to be very deleterious to the quality of my play.

 

[guineasqueak]

The greatest peace of mind is knowing that the cards are distributed in an honor system of integrity. Everything is before your eyes and open for observation.

 

[bigpappa325]

In the long run bullshit story

Im all about the numbers. Numbers just not adding up online. Could be because i have never deposited on the site. Could be many things. But that means its anything but random.

I just finished playing with my weekly free roll winning and had a blast. Played 14 hours since Saturday . Only one tourney but lots of cash table. Started off at penny poker and its just rediculous calls over and over. Even tho i was increasing stack it was at a boring rate. So i picked up went to the .10/.20 table. was killing it but the usual bad beats would keep stack reasonable. Although the beats came nothing like this mourning.

started off decent as usual. Double my stack then lost with aces to under pair. No biggie. Build it back up then loss with kings to under pair. build it back up and set of tens to set of jacks. Lucky i was chip leader but crippled me to ten bucks. Guys started saying dude your variance is wicked. I laughed and told them im a rigtard and you would think i punched someone thats how rude they got. I told them i havent had my house over house yet and that usually finishes me. Same cycle ever week.

About ten hands and i had to turn chat off . Then they come. First is pocket two. Limped in but i dont think it would of mattered he had a,6. Flop is2,k.6. I check and he bets dollar and so did UTG1. turn is a six. Guy bets 2 dollars. i push all i none guy folds a,6 called. 1 card from huge pot river is an ace. imagine that. add rest of chips. sit out a hand.
Next hand i got A,Q suited. I do my usuaal bet big guy raises so i just call. Flop is a,q,3. IIm dancing and ya babba. Guy pushes all in and i call he flips kings. yes big pot coming. He rivers a king.

Got five bucks left Sit and wait and i raise with pocket jacks get to callers. flop is j,2,2
. im like this shit better not be some damn quads. I go all in both call. both have a,2. I said finally what are chances and river is a ace.

Now im understanding how poker works. Its the long run. This happens almost exactly the same every weekend. Coincidence?

Lastly and only thing that matters ive dropped to all time low of 47% on 80% or better after the flop. First year was 61.5% and has declined drastically the last two.

For the mathematically inspired if playing the correct hands is less than a real life coin flop. Because online thats another discussion in all.

sincerely rigtard

 

[Heresthecooler]

I find online tournaments to be much easier. Being able to watch multiple tables before the bubble, is crucial. Knowing this player has this many chips and will be blinded out with antes, is probably the most important tool, I have.

 

[dompoker]

I think that has more live poker strategy, you read more body therefore more lamps, etc.

 

[ekgbeat]

I play play both, and I have seen action hands live that made me think I was playing online. I think time skews our thinking. If you are one tabling online, you will see 2 to 3X the number of hands then you would online. I think that is a huge factor in our perception of action. If you multi-table like most online players then that factor increases our distortion of what "action" looks like.

 

[jj77jwj]

I really don't trust this online poker rooms there's no telling what they are getting away with they can be putting there own people in there with us and knocking us out of the tournamentso or they could see our cards there's no telling what they are doing giving the big money spenders better hands then we get who knows

 

[clave7777]

Dont play in my underwear so much live!!