Hi everybody I had and was knocked out by ,I hadnīt go all in I just had raised 3x (the blind was 600\1200,the vilian went all in and I was the big blind and ITM was 26th ,there were 28 players remaining;the vilian had more chips than me and I couldnīt resist;I gave instant call but for my surprise the flop was

It seems like you were short stack near the bubble. In this situation you definitely want to ship it all in because a standard 3 bet call is nothing if you're the one who is short-stack. By not raising all in preflop you're giving villian implied odds out the wazzu, and its in situations like these where AA'ces usually get cracked unfortunately.

Originally Posted by TinkCzru

It seems like you were short stack near the bubble. In this situation you definitely want to ship it all in because a standard 3 bet call is nothing if you're the one who is short-stack. By not raising all in preflop you're giving villian implied odds out the wazzu, and its in situations like these where AA'ces usually get cracked unfortunately.

I had 5.600k chips and could fold but I insisted at the raise.If I hadnīt involve in this hand I could get ITM.Iīm feeling like a donk.

You played it well in my opinion. Everything depends on your goal. If your main goal is to get to the money and you are absolutely sure that you will make it with your current stack you can easily fold or even sitout completely till you are in the money. If your goal is to be as far ahead as possible you should use such good hands without fear of loosing.

You don't have to feel bad that was just a cooler and you don't have to regret this call he just got a lucky river and busted you before the money keep playing this way on the long term you will win more than what you lose with AA

I also had that I was knocked out of the tournament with the QJ-J10 card suited, I never fold AA on the pre-flop, I often play all-in and I often play a good card, it's a game and there are different situations in it Sometimes you can win on AA but you can lose too, or a lot of chips or money!

You got it all in pre flop against a mediocre hand with AA. We should all be so lucky!

I made mistake like this one time, even bigger mistake. 17 places were getting tickets to a bigger tournament and i have gone out 18 placed. Called all in with AA and lost. I was 7 with chips and could have folded my way into a ticket but i made a rookie mistake.

you got unlucky. Also with 5bb, just ship it in, no point of raising 3x.

I don't remember ever folding AA.
I don't slow play it. I push pre-flop and usually win the blinds. That is better than getting hammered.

I don't understand playing a tournament just to get into the money, I always play to go as deep as I can. If I'm not willing to go all-in against a single opponent with AA why am I playing ? ( And with 4BBs you might nor have been able to fold into the money anyway.)

This isn't a mistake, just a hard choice.
If you want to get ITM with only 2 players left I've watched players fold without looking at their hole cards so as to resist temptation.
If you want to beat everyone else in the room, loosen up and gamble smart from strength.
Really depends on your immediate goal.

Of course this is possible. But usually with a couple of aces I play aggressively. Obviously, with such a pair you have a big advantage over other players and if you are not lucky then you should not be disappointed.
Good luck.

I call BS on the notion that you have to play to win rather than just get ITM!

I can't count the times I have cleared the bubble barely, then come back to win. I also can't count the times I was CL when the bubble burst and went out real fast. In the same vein, you have to make the first break to continue, then the second,,,etc; you have to survive the bubble to continue.

And yes, I have probably folded huge hands before ITM just to make sure I got ITM. I often cover my screen and fold into the money. I can't consciously remember folding AA, but I do remember taking a pee break and not quite getting seated fast enough and had to watch AA get the auto fold.

Hello.
It depends on how much the amount of prize money I can win or lose. If this amount is not significant to me, then I will play.

The Big folds are what separate the good players from the "great" players,,,

If you are out to make the money being 26 of 28 you should fold it there. If you intend to get back in the game and move up the ladder you have to shove.

I will never fold an AA preflop, because it is the best hand of the game for other hands to win from me, they have to have luck right? so I'll be in front of all the hands then tokens on the cloth

Originally Posted by Ninja Jyraia

Hi everybody I had and was knocked out by ,I hadnīt go all in I just had raised 3x (the blind was 600\1200,the vilian went all in and I was the big blind and ITM was 26th ,there were 28 players remaining;the vilian had more chips than me and I couldnīt resist;I gave instant call

So the villain limps and you raise to 60% of your stack with less than 5BB remaining?

These are the actions of someone who wants to get called to try to double up - I am assuming all action was folded except for villain's limp.

If you simply want to survive the hand and pick up the blinds and one limp, you shove here. By pot committing yourself to a very small raise (3BB into a pot of 2.5BB +antes) when you have <2BB behind, you are demanding that he fold (unlikely) or shove (highly likely). You reap what you sow.

I would only ever fold AA if it was a multi way pot or i felt that my stack was pricing in someone else to call..otherwise i would play AA every day and twice on a Sunday..
I have often gone out on or near the bubble playing this way but i have also made final tables by pushing all in and often forcing a fold or doubling up, i personally feel playing tight to just min cash is not my style..i play to win

Why should you put your before flop, I would never do it, it's important to add the correct raise depending on your chips. Sometimes you lose, but usually you win.
When it comes to sit & go tournament where you win tickets, you may not have to follow if you have AA, that hand I have put on such tournaments,

I would almost never fold AA preflop,maybe only when im playing satellite and i already know im going to get the ticket

you always have to double with AA and I'm going to go all in because I'm not going to give another player a chance to tie a hand I'm going a step forward

Originally Posted by mtl mile end

So the villain limps and you raise to 60% of your stack with less than 5BB remaining?

These are the actions of someone who wants to get called to try to double up - I am assuming all action was folded except for villain's limp.

If you simply want to survive the hand and pick up the blinds and one limp, you shove here. By pot committing yourself to a very small raise (3BB into a pot of 2.5BB +antes) when you have <2BB behind, you are demanding that he fold (unlikely) or shove (highly likely). You reap what you sow.

I'd consider doing the same thing. Like you say, you want the other guy to shove when you're on the short side, especially if you can get a three-way w/ AA pre-flop.

Originally Posted by MattRyder

I'd consider doing the same thing. Like you say, you want the other guy to shove when you're on the short side, especially if you can get a three-way w/ AA pre-flop.

Yup. I'm all in here myself most likely. But if I chose to make a small raise, it's an invitation to a reraise, also a legit strategy (to get the shove back). However, I would not make a thread asking if I should have folded to the shove.

Originally Posted by mtl mile end

Yup. I'm all in here myself most likely. But if I chose to make a small raise, it's an invitation to a reraise, also a legit strategy (to get the shove back). However, I would not make a thread asking if I should have folded to the shove.

Ahhh, but that's the whole point of having a forum like this in the first place. We're all coming at this from different levels.

Pair of Aces would be crazy to play it while in a bubble, I would rather wait to be in ITM and ensure you charge first

Originally Posted by MattRyder

Ahhh, but that's the whole point of having a forum like this in the first place. We're all coming at this from different levels.

But my point is that no one will say "fold to this (almost min) raise". The question is moot. Only the circumstances that lead to this question are important. That is where choices had to be made. Once villain shoves, it's far too late to start weighing options (all two of them).

Unless the payout for min cash is signifant to your bankroll and you know you will cash for sure can't can't see folding AA jam it pre flop if u want less variace more folds don't enduce people by raising 3 bb to see flop give them odds to better crack AA ship it call it a day but if bubble very significant to your roll you know other people very short start clock tanking till you reach the money then hope for hot run of cards to make a comeback

I always think about the bubble like being a speedbump on a freeway. You push the speed till you get to it, slow down so you dont total yourself, then put the pedal down again. But I'm also trying to build from a very micro bankroll, so placing in the money carries more weight with me at the moment. Good luck on your next shot.

You have to play AA against one other player. You should have been all in preflop.

Folding these if close to ITM. Easy as pie brother

AA is a no fold to me anywhere if i'm gone i'm gone it's just part of poker and variance. Sometimes you double up and sometimes you don't. I just go with the flow.

Yeah, you got unlucky... just keep playing like that, no error baby

I can't imagine ever folding AA . But if I'm near the money I'm all in pre flop to try and keep suited connected hands out . They always seem to suck out on me . Good luck next time .

If you want to win the tournament you play them if you just want in the money you fold although hard to fold in that situation.

I think folks are missing here that even if hero had folded the As,( which as I said I don't even recognize as an option here ), they only had 4 BBs, so it is unlikely that they could just fold into the money.

I've never heard of anything except try to get it all in preflop with AA- You did the right thing.

i DONT THINK I WOULD BE ABLE TO . MAYBE JUST NOT TO SURE

all in for sure, no doubt

You played it correctly, I am never folding there.

In this stage of the tournament your so short stacked, you have to get it in with the best hand preflop. Just got unlucky rivered. If im in the same situation im shipping it all the time. Just variance.......and bad luck

Part of poker is probabilities. We love aces because of better odds. This is a question of risk vs reward. So, if your goal is to make it in the money and all you need to do is fold, playing aces is actually worse odds. If your goal is to finish first, playing aggressive against the conservative opponents might be better. I believe part of becoming a better poker player is being able to fold good hands when the timing is right. I saw someone tonight barely make it ITM in the 10 dollar ACR freeroll. I went out in fifth and he was second in chips and still going strong.

Once you answer the question of playing to make the money or playing for best possible finish. The how you play AA at the bubble is easy.

Best possible finish you are playing a lot to take advantage of those paying to make the money, so shove.

Playing to make the money fold everything until the bubble bursts. I generally still play AA and KK depending on position at the bubble. But that's me.

I certainly fold in AA depending on the border next to itm

I can't.
coz more chip give me more prize.

I NEVER fold AA preflop! HahAhAhahHAh

Looks like you played the hand right. Big chip stack was probably hoping to play on the fears of not making the money. You can't play poker with fear. Ultimately, your goal is to win the tourney, not just make the money.

It depends on your Stack if you have a decent Stack lets say more than 25-40 bigblinds and the chipleader who is covering you went all in to bully or to 3 bet some short stacked players I will fold AA or KK many players will tell you it's wrong but it's when folding the good hands that you win a tournament

That's a hard hand to lay down as you want to build up enough chips to get to final table. I would've insta-called like you did and lost too. That's just poker. Sometimes you can't always do the right thing.