Tournament: Spot analysis? V/s Cash Games

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AlexTheOwl

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1. I tried reasoning, but is there any argument that would win over a CRAZY PERSON? I was stupid to even try.
2. Why isn't any of your poker sites listed on this forum?
3. Why are you here? What are you trying to get out of this forum?
4. Go check your own post: First I can make 11.58% as PFR (table PRF apparently, if that was a thing), he should open 9% of his range, then he should play exploitable (micro, mid stake you should play exploitable). How is 9% range exploitable range? Are you that DUMB or WHAT?
5. People who didn't counter-argue saying this or that, I acknowledged their POV, I didn't force them to see my POV. But you kept asking and I thought you genuinely wanted to learn more.
6. Finally, I have a $50K bankroll on Pokerstars, that I built from $10 investment on April '16. I don't need approval. The only reason I came back on Cardschat was because there were people here who helped me when I was struggling and this was a way of me giving back. As far as your opinion on me, I DON'T GIVE A SH*T!

1. Why do you think I am a crazy person? You are the person making strange assumptions and claiming I have said things I did not say. I am genuinely curious about the answer.

2. What difference does it make whether I listed any poker sites? What a crazy question.

3. I enjoy talking about poker.

4. So many errors here.

We were doing an EV analysis. I never suggested any range that the villain should play. You're making things up again, like a crazy person. I made an estimate of what the villain's actual range is in this spot.

Knowing very little about the villain, I tried to estimate what the average player in this particular spot of this tournament would do. Is that crazy? Interested in your answer.

I tried make this estimate quantitatively, rather than plucking a number from thin air. Is that crazy? Tell me when the crazy part starts.

To make that estimate, I used the best data I had, the PFRs of the players at the table. Is that crazy?

Much later in the thread, I talked about the relationship between range charts and exploitative play. You have now somehow mixed that in with the EV analysis of that KQ shove, because unrelated ideas apparently get jumbled together in your mind, as though you were crazy.

5. I was genuinely discussing poker with you. You seem to have assumed that because I asked you questions, I was your student. What a crazy assumption! Teachers ask questions too. I am not your student, nor your teacher, I am just a person like you.

6. Bravo! It is easy to believe you are a winning player, you clearly take the game seriously. I suppose no one should question you when you claim a -EV shove is +EV, because you are a winning player? Do you think that you are the only winning player here?
 
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AviCKter

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Dude, go talk poker with someone else.​

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Yes, it is high. But what you're not taking into consideration is that the player who wins the tournament is the player with all the chips at the end and so our objective of any tournament is to collect all the chips. The way we do it is by making +EV plays at each decision point.

You're forgetting that he has a 33bb stack (lets say 'x' amount) and that he has to convert it into the entire chips at play (lets say 'y') in the tournament, if he intends to win. x->y won't happen if you keep waiting for certain cards. If you keep waiting for hands, you'll most likely find yourself in a tough situation.
Let me give you an example: The probability of getting dealt hands that you normally think you should open from a certain position is marginal, like AA for instance. The probability of you being dealt AA is 1/221 (Getting dealt two aces out of 4 possible ace, 6 possible combinations, v/s the total number of possible combinations, 52*51/2=1326) or 0.45%.

So if your aim is to WIN, then whenever you get dealt a hand, you need to figure out the best possible way to play it. Choose the option that maximizes your EV: FOLD, CALL, RAISE, BET, CHECK.
To become successful at SnGs/MTTs, you'll have to deal with a lot of calculations like these and You do all these kind of analysis off the table and apply it while playing.

And you're mistaken on the fact that opening a 20% range equivalents PFR of 20.

That's why I raise to five bb, if he shoves instantly I just won't care I'll call. If he calls then we see eflop
 
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