tilt issues

[bigdog6262]

He is a very loose player. He's always willing to see a flop.

thats wrong folding is profitable i know that
that Tourney was a freeroll
that k10 had 2bbs left had 2 after that j8 bad bluff knew he had me did it any ways got took out in 61st place not a bad spot but rite before pay that sucked was playing good till moved to 3rd r 4th table was 1st in chips for more then half the time i was in it also was up all nite playing poker at a friends house before that so no sleep thats when i play badly alot and loss most of my money online
i dont know how poker-edge labeled me an Elephant when

folding is profitable

i been saying that for 2 months 120 hands only play 20 and thats a good session i know this
so how did poker-edge come up with im an Elephant
how come it wont show their hands
the 5

5

felt he had nothing on board and 15cent y not
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6

2 more cent since im bb floped a gutter missed and trried to buy it not happening 2 much in fixed
and this thread is to deal with tilt not how i play
Stu_Ungar where do you play on the net and what stakes

 

[bigdog6262]

by the way 1st in the hole thing if i had sleep i mite have won
im trying to break that habit miss ftp since i could block myself for 24hrs


on this site http://www.pokertableratings.com/merge-player-search/bigdog696262+
it says my tilt score is 27 is that good r bad

i think i need to learn 2 fold more

 

[bigdog6262]

Villain limps and you put him on a single hand? ROFL

i was rite

 

[cheaptrix]

2 years ago i was on a 2 month long break-even stretch. (about 2,000 tournaments) mostly 45 man's on stars. i was so frustrated with the game that i was close to quitting forever!

then one of the players that taught me how to beat the game, gave me this piece of advice.

One minute you're winning steadily and you have full faith in your ability to make money on a regular basis and then BAM it's like someone put a curse on you or something and you simply cannot win and it seems to last forever and get more and more ridiculous... sure you're not actually losing money but when you are used to winning steadily it is very frustrating to be caught in this seemingly endless run of bad luck and struggling to breakeven the whole time. The only advice I can give is take the time to try to improve your game wherever possible and also try to avoid tilting at any cost. I know there's nothing you can do about shoving KK , getting called by Ace-rag and losing like 100 times a day but there's always ways to fine tune your game. Apart from that , you just have to ride it out.

i was on a 3000 sng breakeven stretch. I was seriously nearly smashing up my house near the end of that . And then suddenly I start winning again and TBH I think its for no reason whatsoever other than that the cards started to behave near normal again.

it's always easiest to point your finger at the cards but what good does that do us?
we can not control the deck. focus on the things you can control. never stop learning new strategy and just focus on making +EV decisions against villains range.
we all have to ride out the variance of poker.

 

[fletchdad]

i was rite

This is unimportant. RANGE is the key word here.................

 

[Worak]

i was rite

Maybe an example might give you an idea about what we are talking about:

Let's assume you're standing at a 8 lane highway being blindfolded.

You know that there is alot of traffic in the mornings and the evenings, not so much during the day and least in the middle of the night.

You know you must cross the 8 lanes with minimum chances of being run down by a 40 ton truck- wouldn't you want to know the current time (the range e.g.) ?

What you are doing is just running on to the street without that info hoping that you'll survive

and then when you get lucky with your "read" tell everyone you "knew" you were right after not being hit.

 

[RVladimiro]

IMHO this is one of those threads where the OP just wants someone to tell him "Yeah I agree with you, you did everything right and you have every reason to be tilting. This is just variance and you'll do good in the long run, yada yada yada"

I can't find any interest in getting actual feedback on the way he plays because he is always right.

The effort put by Stu, graf and others is much more than the one put by the OP. Asking what stakes Stu plays in and saying "im rite" every other post makes me wonder what is exactly the point of the thread right now.

Still, I'll try to be positive about it. bigdog6262, you are not right, mate, not at all. A month ago I was on a huge downswing. My mindset was exactly what you describe here: I was right on my decisions, I was being bluffed, everything was a suckout, yada yada yada. Then I went on vacation, got away a bit, got my act together but most important I heard what other CCers had to say (or write) and one of those is Stu.

I'm currently playing at 2NL doing consistently +20/100BB. To be totally honest, I do most money from players that think like you because they are so sure of their play that they do it every single time and that's amazingly exploitable. I don't care if I'm bluffed, don't care if it's a suckout, I just care about doing the best decision I can in every single hand I play. Yeah, 2NL, I'm a fish but a thinking fish with ears bigger than my ego.

Think about it, how can so many people be wrong all the time and you right all the time? Reading how you think you know (like the 40% to 60% of the times which I'm sorry to say is either sad or hilarious) is the simplest way to tilt and tilting is just aditional money spewing.

Good luck and have fun.

 

[NutsHoldem]

Don't mix different poker table. Play only cash 6max or only cash full ring or only SnGs. You may play on month this and one month other. Only best poker players can mix this in one day.

 

[bigdog6262]

no im not always rite

point of the thread right now

tilt issues nothing to do with those hands that im rite or wrong

so ur saying stick to sngs and dont go to cash games or the other way around
rite i guess i gotta not give in to the urge

 

[RVladimiro]

I think you should play what you like the most and get good at it. Some people say tourneys is the way to go, others say rings is the way to go. I think the way to go is the one you prefer, stick with it, study it and improve.

 

[bigdog6262]

double up 6max is the way to go for me i think i just gotta control the urge to play cash games

 

[bgomez89]

an idiot that was rite that hand i would say ur idiot for telling 2 fold the better hand regardless of the cards i didnt say he/she mite have such as q10 a10 any 10 combo any over pair i knew she missed like almost 100% sure
so ill make u fold ur mid pair to me knowing almost 100% sure that i got nothing huh well gl with folding the better hands 2 ur opponents wanna be

And this is why you're always going to be a fish. You won't listen to logic and good advice and instead think that you're "rite" just because you made a lucky ass guess. What if the guy flipped over KK? Would you have then admitted you were wrong to raise?

if you have 77 and the flop is 10 5 3 and you think the other guy is bluffing and doesn't have anything, why would you want to raise? He's just going to fold out all the crap that you beat and when he does call you, you're usually toast. You need to read some articles on here and be open to advice otherwise you might as well not even be on this forum and continue playing with your gut. I always suggest that newbies read this: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/why-you-betting-189182/


Also LOL at playing tournaments to combat tilt issues. Tournaments tend do have much more variance than cash games which in turn could produce a tilt-induced coma!

 

[bigdog6262]

Would you have then admitted you were wrong to raise?

yes
and i understand that i could have been wrong im not saying i know all im not god

 

[RVladimiro]

Yeah, not all, just almost all.

 

[bigdog6262]

whats the difference between my reads and daniel negreanus

 

[RVladimiro]

Just the stakes I guess, everything else you are pretty even.

 

[bgomez89]

Daniel knows how to hand read

 

[baudib1]

Besides the fact that Negreanu probably has hundreds of hours of history with Doyle, his range after limp-calling pre and bombing this board is pretty damn narrow. There are precisely 0 hands in Doyle's value range that Daniel beats, and there's almost no chance he's bluffing into 3 people on this board.

 

[bigdog6262]

Just the stakes I guess, everything else you are pretty even.

lol no Negreanu is good on reading hole cards and has tons more hands then me im not saying that im as good as him
but im pretty good at it for playing over 2-4 years online i can read hole cards sometimes and be rite on the money
those 77s i had been playing at that table for a good min. dont remember how long but enough to think that person missed that flop
Negreanu videos and stuff im trying to study and see if i cant pick up more info from it all

baudib1's thats not the only hand he has done it and not the only person as well

 

[RVladimiro]

You can't even read sarcasm, how can you read hole cards?

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Why do all the truly great players struggle to make a profit at 2NL?

 

[bigdog6262]

have no clue stu do you
struggle to make a profit at 2NL thats what i do
free chips could stack tons for some reason but cant seem to build and build my br
but after a min. hopefully i can win some free cash and build that up with 6hand double ups and only those since thats what im real good at and can survive till half the feilds gone lol good way to rise in the ranks i think
on intertops Poker when i lost in cash games i would get my loses back from those i plan on not depositing any more till i win some freeroll cash from there build like i said
and only stick to those its going to be tough not giving in to the urge to play plh since the site im freerolling on has a few tables with players but if i want to make money i need to stick with what im good at

You can't even read sarcasm, how can you read hole cards?

just do

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Its because a lot of 2NL players are delusional. They think they are good but wont accept they are wrong. Its like someone believing they are a decent swimmer, loosing race after race to a bunch of paraplegics and blaming it on their choice of swimwear.

Unfortantly you are one of those players. You think poker is about the big calls, and it isnt. You think its about playing weak hands in a game where you can play like a NIT and get paid, it isnt.

Think it trough, you have been playing poker for a few years now, you havent moved past the first level, surely that means you are doing it wrong and arguing with, or ignoring the advice given isnt going to help you advance, lets face it you are not going to advance without help, because if that was going to happen, it would have happened a long time ago.

EDIT:

BTW you do not read hole cards well. If you did you would be playing 5K NL by now (After several years of playing well and being able to read hole cards well, there is no way you could be playing 2NL .. stop being so delusional.)

 

[taaron]

^^^ very good advice and anology;
thanks stu,
u just summed it all up

 

[bigdog6262]

ok stu what would suggest to help improve my game and maybe start to rise through the ranks