Pot bet sizes and draws

[Andyreas]

Hi forum,

I am not yet too quick in calculating Pot odds in real time, so I tried to make a table / list for me with max bet sizes I can call with the respective draw.

I thought I'd share with the forum and also any feedback/corrections appreciated.

Draw Type​	#Outs​	%Win​	Pot Odds​	Max bet in % Pot 1 Street​	Max bet in % Pot 2 Streets / Shove​
Pocket Pair to Set	2	4%	22-1	4,5% (≈ 1/20)	10% (=1/10)
One Overcard to Overpair	3	6%	14-1	7,5% (≈ 1/13)	17% (= 1/6)
Inside Straight Draw	4	9%	11-1	10% (=1/10)	25% (1/4)
Two Pair to FH	4	9%	11-1	10% (=1/10)	25% (1/4)
One pair to two pair/trips	5	11%	8-1	14% (≈ 1/7)	33% (1/3)
No pair to pair	6	13%	13-2	18% (≈ 1/6)	50% (1/2)
Two Overcards to Overpair	6	13%	13-2	18% (≈ 1/6)	50% (1/2)
Set to Full House / Quads	7	15%	11-2	22% (≈ 1/5)	66% (2/3)
Open-ended straight draw	8	17%	5-1	25% (1/4)	100% (1/1)
Flush draw	9	19%	4-1	33% (1/3)	100% (1/1)
Inside Straight Draw and Two Overcards	10	21%	4-1	33% (1/3)	> 100% (1/1)
Inside Straight and flush draw	12	26%	3-1	50% (1/2)	> 100% (1/1)
Open-ended Straight and flush draw	15	32%	2-1	100% (1/1)	> 100% (1/1)

Somehow I cannot come up with the right pot sizes for the huge draws for two streets atm, so if anyone has them or can enlighten me, that's appreciated.

 

[spunka]

Max bet in % Pot 2 Streets / Shove not sure what you mean here you mean (you wil be 1. on flop) so turn and fold on river if you miss ?

good work

 

[Andyreas]

Max bet in % Pot 2 Streets / Shove not sure what you mean here you mean (you wil be on turn) so turn and fold on river if you miss ?

No, I mean if I face a bet on flop and there'll be surely no bet on turn and river, i.e. the other player (or I) jams post-flop.

 

[spunka]

math seems ok, but I would not push drawing hands all in post-flop as you see from your table the best is 32% win

 

[kunkgreen]

Very nice to have a guide.

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They also have an interesting RNG generator for GTO based decision making, which I don't think is our case for now!

 

[D0nk3y Hunt3r]

Draw Type​	#Outs​	%Win​	Pot Odds​	Max bet in % Pot 1 Street​	Max bet in % Pot 2 Streets / Shove​
No pair to pair	6	13%	13-2	18% (≈ 1/6)	50% (1/2)

Somehow I cannot come up with the right pot sizes for the huge draws for two streets atm, so if anyone has them or can enlighten me, that's appreciated.

I didn't check all the math, though I don't understand this. Shouldn't this be ~24% for two streets? I assume you mean win by getting this pair. If this is for one street only, on the next one percentage is the same if you don't hit.

 

[Andyreas]

I didn't check all the math, though I don't understand this. Shouldn't this be ~24% for two streets?

Yes, exactly. And 24% for two streets is close to 3-1 pot odds where you can call half pot bet to be break even.

This 50% of pot bet is what I note in the last column. (Assuming I'm calling a shove on flop with half pot size.)

 

[D0nk3y Hunt3r]

This 50% of pot bet is what I note in the last column. (Assuming I'm calling a shove on flop with half pot size.)

This is where all the confusion comes from. Many people calculate this including their own bet, I don't.

 

[dreamer13]

There are three main types of straight draws: open using both hole cards; open using one pocket card and "leaky". An open straight with two overcards is made about 50% of the time, meaning you won't win or lose anything. However, you should be careful with overcards - they can depreciate if your opponent makes a straight with their help. On an offsuit flop, open straights are played in the same way as a flush draw. In general, straight draws are less powerful than flush draws, but their strategies are very similar, especially on an offsuit flop.Beginners believe that the main thing in poker is to play for an increase, to increase the amounts. This is mistake. The professional folds after assessing the situation. In certain situations, this is much more profitable than fighting for a big pot with a weak hand. There is always information at the poker table that is worth "reading" and using.

 

[christovam]

Very interesting this table. But I confess that I still have a hard time looking at things other than the tables. But it is super valid. I'll try to memorize these values, at least to have a base.

 

[dannystanks]

Great work!

 

[dannystanks]

New players, if you need something to study and get memorized this is it!