New to the Game. Any input?

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So_What_MD

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Hi Folks:


I am a poker newbie and just signed up with the site. I hope to meet good people :party:and in the process, learn and enjoy the game of NLHE. So PLEASE HELP ME TO GET THERE.

I am an old timer blackjack card counter. Very straightforward, get the high count, follow betting strategy then playing strategy. Every 1000-2000 hours you dble your BR depending on what Kelly you play at. Your biggest enemy is ... YOURSELF. The "Psychological Effect of Risk Taking" (commonly known as TILT) DOES get to the best of us (blame it on your Anterior Cingulated Cortex). Your second enemy is the Casino. They don't like us lol. :mad:


15 years ago I thought I'd better learn Poker in case I get "86" for life. I watched Poker After Dark. I watched celebrity players, like Negreanu and Barry Greenstein, play on PokerStars. I spent a year, played 100,000 hands, to learn the game. I could relate. :rolleyes:


For some reason I didn't trust something. And I was right. Who would have guessed "Jesus" and "the Professor" would clean us out :mad:? I would have lost my BR for sure. I never did transfer my skills to LIVE tables. Back to Blackjack.


Pandemic shut down casinos. I thought I'd revisit online poker again.
OMG!!!! What is this? Ranges? Are we playing golf? Exploitative? Sounds like a bully. Polar? Are we in a Zoo playing with bear? 128G of Ram to run Pio? My first computer
was 128KB 8086 processor lol.


I am out of my depth. PLEASE HELP!!! I am either too dumb or you guys are too smart.


I guess I will have to invest 4 years to tackle this Bully Golf Zoo lol. So far it has been 6 months. I have learned PF ranges/actions; I have learned HUDS and am trying to stick to 15/12 in VPIP/PFR. I categorize and make notes of villains. I spend time to pick my tables and watch the players for a while first. I try to study before and, sometimes, after each session. I started with PokerStars 9-Max 2NL. Did well, went to 5NL, 10NL :fight:. Finally got hurt in 16NL. In 3 sessions I lost everything that I had won in previous levels and some. Back to the drawing board. Found a few leaks, ie., Post flop game, folding too much and facing LAG.


I play 9-Max because I heard LIVE poker is softer. My plan is to learn my chops from online and become a regular grinder at the casino. But 6-Max is where most of the players are online. I don't want to get used to 6-Max and become a LAG at 9/10-Max LIVE lol. Any suggestion please? :confused:


I recently picked up Spin-n-Go. Different perspective. Helps my HU/postflop game, learning to play not so bloody tight. Hard to find material/charts for that thou. Any advice? :joyman:

Is coaching mandatory. Once I invest $5000-$10,000 I have a feeling I won't stop. I could be walking into a quarter Mil hole, like I did on Roulette many moons ago lol. Just today I read about Advanced Poker Training. I thought it is different from the rest of the theoretical coaching. Any advice please? :deal:


I also came across with this interactive software that helps to make decisions LIVE. Something like a second computer detects the hand, run it thru a poker software and tell the player what to do. I am not interested in a game like that. Definitely I am not interested in donating to people with set up like that. Any secret please :listen:?


Thank you in advance for your kind input.


So_What_MD :icon_stud
 
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Hi Folks:


I am a poker newbie and just signed up with the site. I hope to meet good people :party:and in the process, learn and enjoy the game of NLHE. So PLEASE HELP ME TO GET THERE.

I am an old timer blackjack card counter. Very straightforward, get the high count, follow betting strategy then playing strategy. Every 1000-2000 hours you dble your BR depending on what Kelly you play at. Your biggest enemy is ... YOURSELF. The "Psychological Effect of Risk Taking" (commonly known as TILT) DOES get to the best of us (blame it on your Anterior Cingulated Cortex). Your second enemy is the Casino. They don't like us lol. :mad:


15 years ago I thought I'd better learn Poker in case I get "86" for life. I watched Poker After Dark. I watched celebrity players, like Negreanu and Barry Greenstein, play on PokerStars. I spent a year, played 100,000 hands, to learn the game. I could relate. :rolleyes:


For some reason I didn't trust something. And I was right. Who would have guessed "Jesus" and "the Professor" would clean us out :mad:? I would have lost my BR for sure. I never did transfer my skills to LIVE tables. Back to Blackjack.


Pandemic shut down casinos. I thought I'd revisit online poker again.
OMG!!!! What is this? Ranges? Are we playing golf? Exploitative? Sounds like a bully. Polar? Are we in a Zoo playing with bear? 128G of Ram to run Pio? My first computer
was 128KB 8086 processor lol.


I am out of my depth. PLEASE HELP!!! I am either too dumb or you guys are too smart.


I guess I will have to invest 4 years to tackle this Bully Golf Zoo lol. So far it has been 6 months. I have learned PF ranges/actions; I have learned HUDS and am trying to stick to 15/12 in VPIP/PFR. I categorize and make notes of villains. I spend time to pick my tables and watch the players for a while first. I try to study before and, sometimes, after each session. I started with PokerStars 9-Max 2NL. Did well, went to 5NL, 10NL :fight:. Finally got hurt in 16NL. In 3 sessions I lost everything that I had won in previous levels and some. Back to the drawing board. Found a few leaks, ie., Post flop game, folding too much and facing LAG.


I play 9-Max because I heard LIVE poker is softer. My plan is to learn my chops from online and become a regular grinder at the casino. But 6-Max is where most of the players are online. I don't want to get used to 6-Max and become a LAG at 9/10-Max LIVE lol. Any suggestion please? :confused:


I recently picked up Spin-n-Go. Different perspective. Helps my HU/postflop game, learning to play not so bloody tight. Hard to find material/charts for that thou. Any advice? :joyman:

Is coaching mandatory. Once I invest $5000-$10,000 I have a feeling I won't stop. I could be walking into a quarter Mil hole, like I did on Roulette many moons ago lol. Just today I read about Advanced Poker Training. I thought it is different from the rest of the theoretical coaching. Any advice please? :deal:


I also came across with this interactive software that helps to make decisions LIVE. Something like a second computer detects the hand, run it thru a poker software and tell the player what to do. I am not interested in a game like that. Definitely I am not interested in donating to people with set up like that. Any secret please :listen:?


Thank you in advance for your kind input.


So_What_MD :icon_stud

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Hi Legend:
THANK YOU for the reply. I was checking my posting daily to no avail. I thought maybe I would change the title. Clicked "Edit", told me my posting was removed or deleted. Then I came to the general forum section and found your reply.
Sure will follow up on your advice.
Thanx again.
So_What_MD
 
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Hi Legend:
THANK YOU for the reply. I was checking my posting daily to no avail. I thought maybe I would change the title. Clicked "Edit", told me my posting was removed or deleted. Then I came to the general forum section and found your reply.
Sure will follow up on your advice.
Thanx again.
So_What_MD
I'm not sure where you posted this originally and if it was moved to the General poker forum but you'll probably get more replies in Learning Poker so I'll move it there... :eek:

In response to your rather eloquent, beautifully composed post I have three magical letters for you:

BRM

bankroll management is absolutely crucial if we want to be successful in the long-term and just from reading your post (without seeing any hand histories or data) I'm convinced it should be your first priority.

You're in the right place for learning about, and developing in, all aspects of poker. :wink:

~moved
 
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As a "card counter" you've got a huge advantage, a great memory. Use that to your advantage to learn how your opponents play and use that against them.
 
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I'm not sure where you posted this originally and if it was moved to the General Poker forum but you'll probably get more replies in Learning Poker so I'll move it there... :eek:

In response to your rather eloquent, beautifully composed post I have three magical letters for you:

BRM

Bankroll management is absolutely crucial if we want to be successful in the long-term and just from reading your post (without seeing any hand histories or data) I'm convinced it should be your first priority.

You're in the right place for learning about, and developing in, all aspects of poker. :wink:

~moved


Dear Tracid:

I haven't had time to explore Apps/sites. I usually go where I need to go, retrieve the information and get out in a hurry. So I remain to be TECH stupid. I do not know why I can't find my post, for the second time, today. This is the path Home / Poker Strategy / Learning Poker / New to the Game. Any input?

Nonetheless, I am grateful to have received 3 inputs :icon_boun. When I learned blackjack, there was no interactive communication like this. I spend countless hours to learn the skill ALL BY MYSELF :confused:. This is a far better learning experience so far.

Thank you for the kind input of BRM. Fortunately in Blackjack, it is straightforward. To avoid bankruptcy I play with 0.4 Kelly Criterion. (play 0.4% of total BR with a 1% advantage over the house). For instance, a 10,000 BR with 1% edge, it would warrant a $40 bet. Problem being winning at $40 one would have to play much smaller to see the cards with -EV. Minimum bet in casinos are $10/$15. So bankroll has to be much larger. I pay $25 a hand to see the cards with a -0.56% EV. With +EV, I play $200-$1000 a hand. Automatically that draws heat. So I play STUPID small just to avoid getting kicked out, commonly known as "86".

On the other hand, casinos pamper/promote their good in-house poker players (comps/shows/meals). Hence I wanted to switch. I bought in for $140 in pokerstars as an initial tuition. Ha, after 6 months (50,000 hands later) I still have $115 left (cheap tuition so far). I use (hopefully not illegal) Pokertracker 4, Flopzilla and Equilab for stats and review. I read/watch articles/postings by Doug Polk, Jonathan Little to name a couple. I study/review my growing number of charts (50+). I have learned the 9-Max Preflop RFI, Facing RFI and Facing 3B. I have also learned the PreFlop actions for spin and go, 3 different positions from 25BB down to <10BB. Once I get to the flop, I play too bloody tight. Playing SNG has been helpful with that leak. "IF and WHEN" I am worth the challenge, I may play with a real BR. If Kelly Criterion applies, I can play $200 buy-in with a Total BR of $50,000. Which is 100/200NL.

Now, I thrive to be 1% better than players at the 100/200NL. Is that an attainable goal please?

Thank you.
 
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Dear Tracid:

I haven't had time to explore apps/sites. I usually go where I need to go, retrieve the information and get out in a hurry. So I remain to be TECH stupid. I do not know why I can't find my post, for the second time, today. This is the path Home / Poker Strategy / Learning Poker / New to the Game. Any input?

Nonetheless, I am grateful to have received 3 inputs :icon_boun. When I learned Blackjack, there was no interactive communication like this. I spend countless hours to learn the skill ALL BY MYSELF :confused:. This is a far better learning experience so far.

Thank you for the kind input of BRM. Fortunately in Blackjack, it is straightforward. To avoid bankruptcy I play with 0.4 Kelly Criterion. (play 0.4% of total BR with a 1% advantage over the house). For instance, a 10,000 BR with 1% edge, it would warrant a $40 bet. Problem being winning at $40 one would have to play much smaller to see the cards with -EV. Minimum bet in casinos are $10/$15. So bankroll has to be much larger. I pay $25 a hand to see the cards with a -0.56% EV. With +EV, I play $200-$1000 a hand. Automatically that draws heat. So I play STUPID small just to avoid getting kicked out, commonly known as "86".

On the other hand, casinos pamper/promote their good in-house poker players (comps/shows/meals). Hence I wanted to switch. I bought in for $140 in pokerstars as an initial tuition. Ha, after 6 months (50,000 hands later) I still have $115 left (cheap tuition so far). I use (hopefully not illegal) Pokertracker 4, Flopzilla and Equilab for stats and review. I read/watch articles/postings by Doug Polk, Jonathan Little to name a couple. I study/review my growing number of charts (50+). I have learned the 9-Max Preflop RFI, Facing RFI and Facing 3B. I have also learned the PreFlop actions for Spin and Go, 3 different positions from 25BB down to <10BB. Once I get to the flop, I play too bloody tight. Playing SNG has been helpful with that leak. "IF and WHEN" I am worth the challenge, I may play with a real BR. If Kelly Criterion applies, I can play $200 buy-in with a Total BR of $50,000. Which is 100/200NL.

Now, I thrive to be 1% better than players at the 100/200NL. Is that an attainable goal please?

Thank you.
The path you posted looks correct to me...

Are you still having issues finding your post?

If so, here's a link..

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/learning-poker-57/new-game-any-input-478135/

It might have just been hidden a page or two back, popular forums have a lot of traffic/posts so threads can quickly disappear five pages deep and can be easily missed scrolling through..

I'd love to answer your final question but I'm afraid I have little cash game experience thus far, I'm still very much tournament focused ( read naïve :laugh: ) player for now.

Love reading your posts though..! :)

I've only ever played a little blackjack recreationally, don't like playing against the house... :flute:

~EDiT:- If you would like an answer based on my intuition, I would say yes, definitely attainable! :wink: :icon_thum
 
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As a "card counter" you've got a huge advantage, a great memory. Use that to your advantage to learn how your opponents play and use that against them.


Dear Rowdy:

Thank you for the confidence boost. Like in blackjack, there are so much information available on the table, the more one can capture the better one is. Albeit at my elementary level, I do make notes of how villains play. For instance, I would "attempt to steal" or "bluff" more with nits. Against LAGS, with huge hands I let them bet into me. Otherwise I fold or bluff raise to put them in their place. With "calling stations" I over bet thinking they would call. With ROCKs they like to slow play, when they go from 50% bet to 200% AI I know they just hit the nuts. WHAT OTHER INFORMATION should I be looking for please?
I have problems balancing my range and bet 130% or ALL IN with air. Example SB vs BB 25BB effective, everybody folded, I am supposed to min raise with big hands like 88+ but ALL IN with 22(100%) 33(65%). I presume the rationale being if I can steal 1BB 25+ times before I lose one AI I am still ahead. I have a HARD TIME doing that. I need to remind myself it is more important to do the right thing than worry about the losing.
I have played 50,000 hands of mostly 2NL and 5NL. I bought in for $145 and have $115 left (with considerations of generous first deposit bonus). I utilize 65+ charts for different positions in 9Max in RFI, Facing RFI and Facing 3B in preflop play. I have another 50+ charts to help my decisions in Spin and Go 3 handed 25BB-5BB play. I have a 150+ ChipEV (if I calculated correctly) in SNG but only over 200 tournaments. I use Pokertracker4, Flopzilla and Equilab for stats and post game review. I read/watch articles/postings from players like Doug Polk, Jonathan Little.
If I were to ask you what 5 components would improve my game. Your thoughts please:listen:?
Many THANX in advance.
 
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Dear Rowdy:

Thank you for the confidence boost. Like in blackjack, there are so much information available on the table, the more one can capture the better one is. Albeit at my elementary level, I do make notes of how villains play. For instance, I would "attempt to steal" or "bluff" more with nits. Against LAGS, with huge hands I let them bet into me. Otherwise I fold or bluff raise to put them in their place. With "calling stations" I over bet thinking they would call. With ROCKs they like to slow play, when they go from 50% bet to 200% AI I know they just hit the nuts. WHAT OTHER INFORMATION should I be looking for please?
I have problems balancing my range and bet 130% or ALL IN with air. Example SB vs BB 25BB effective, everybody folded, I am supposed to min raise with big hands like 88+ but ALL IN with 22(100%) 33(65%). I presume the rationale being if I can steal 1BB 25+ times before I lose one AI I am still ahead. I have a HARD TIME doing that. I need to remind myself it is more important to do the right thing than worry about the losing.
I have played 50,000 hands of mostly 2NL and 5NL. I bought in for $145 and have $115 left (with considerations of generous first deposit bonus). I utilize 65+ charts for different positions in 9Max in RFI, Facing RFI and Facing 3B in preflop play. I have another 50+ charts to help my decisions in Spin and Go 3 handed 25BB-5BB play. I have a 150+ ChipEV (if I calculated correctly) in SNG but only over 200 tournaments. I use Pokertracker4, Flopzilla and Equilab for stats and post game review. I read/watch articles/postings from players like Doug Polk, Jonathan Little.
If I were to ask you what 5 components would improve my game. Your thoughts please:listen:?
Many THANX in advance.
I have to say I've pretty much given up playing a rules-based game. So many hands go the wrong way that it often seems pointless. These days I play players and situations. I take lots of notes on other players, but the most meaningful information to me is from the past half hour. Nitty players don't all of a sudden get aggressive with less than premium (often monster) hands. Bluffy players ... bluff. Sticky players just can't let go. And so on and so on. The rest is up to luck, usually of the bad variety. That's where bankroll management earns its keep. Live to play another day.
 
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