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PotluckXXI
Visionary
Silver Level
c9h13no3
Is drawing with AK
Silver Level
Apparently nits don't play their strong ranges face up enough for you.
Top pair with JTs is a 5 out draw against a nit when he bets the turn.
Stu_Ungar
Legend
Silver Level
Yes but against a nit the 2nd barrel is usually with a range that beats you so you have about 15% equity.
Against a more agro laggie player, sometimes this 2nd barrel with be a bluff and sometimes its done with a hand you beat (thin value or a made hand being bluffed).
So I dont think you can play this profitably against a nit unless you are quite deep and can get huge implied odds when you hit, however against a lag your equity includes a portion of times you have the best hand and so drawing here is more profitable as it merges with value calling.
alaskabill
Legend
Silver Level
+1. OP that is a really great post/thread. Its a great example of the idea that how we play is determined by the type of player that we are playing against. Cookie cutter "always do x in this spot" just don't cut it in the long run.
LuckyChippy
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Great post.
Basically the ideas of set mining and when to play suited connector type hands but I especially like how you related it to ranges.
We play suited connectors not to flop monsters but to make our opponents fold, which they do that with a weak range. SCs also flop decent equity a decent amount of time. Eq + FE = $.
Basically the ideas of set mining and when to play suited connector type hands but I especially like how you related it to ranges.
We play suited connectors not to flop monsters but to make our opponents fold, which they do that with a weak range. SCs also flop decent equity a decent amount of time. Eq + FE = $.
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PotluckXXI
Visionary
Silver Level
Since reading the original post I have implemented this play with huge results. The nitish players scream I've got A's or K's pre-flop when they raise, unfortunatley (for them) they are so stingy that the raise is not more than 3 or 4x BB so call in position. If the flop is dead for the nit then he checks, dead for me I check and get to see the turn for free, if I hit I make a small bet, he calls. This play has worked best on the turn or river when the hand has been checked through and I make my set then. A large bet like 20XBB is getting a call and I take down the pot.
Cafeman
Legend
Silver Level
Starting at 100bb effective stacks, it probably isn't too far out.
Maybe someone could have a stab at a realistic graph?
Cafeman
Legend
Silver Level
Not enough boobs!
LuckyChippy
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
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fletchdad
Jammin................
Loyaler
LuckyChippy, please more of those graphs......
I subbed this post to read at a later date and it just now got bumped. I had forgotten about it. I am now starting back up playing after an 8 week break - sort of - and this was a great read to get back into things.
I subbed this post to read at a later date and it just now got bumped. I had forgotten about it. I am now starting back up playing after an 8 week break - sort of - and this was a great read to get back into things.