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HEFOLK132
Rock Star
Silver Level
I quite agree with you, but with such hand it is possible and on a preflopa to lose counters much.
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feecg
Rock Star
Silver Level
It's a really trouble hand if you play it wrong, and it's not easy to play JJ, since you need to have good position and know your opponents. Today i was playing a tournament on ponerstars, i was Small blind with AK, and as there were 4 limpers before me, I moved all in pre flop, and only 1 guy called, he was holding JJ, and guess what? No Aces or Kings appeared on the table and I died there hahaha. I know I played it wrong, but I was trying to rush.
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zzvictor
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Depending on MTT structure, your position, players ranges (their opening ranges from each position/their calling ranges from each position/3-4-5bet range), how deep or short stack you are, how deep or short stack your opponents are, ICM etc. there are cases where you should fold hands like AA even.
You can attempt to set mine with JJ eg. calling in position vs early raisers. You can easily shove any position if you are around 10 bigs (long as you are being careful with the money bubble), would recommend not making any weird raise early position with JJ only as your opponents can easily exploit this (they will have an easy time if they easily put you on a hand), I've folded JJ utg in the past when I was in a tournament with a healthy stack was also fairly new to the game vs strong players (ended up 4th).
You can attempt to set mine with JJ eg. calling in position vs early raisers. You can easily shove any position if you are around 10 bigs (long as you are being careful with the money bubble), would recommend not making any weird raise early position with JJ only as your opponents can easily exploit this (they will have an easy time if they easily put you on a hand), I've folded JJ utg in the past when I was in a tournament with a healthy stack was also fairly new to the game vs strong players (ended up 4th).
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UrsinusMaximus
Rock Star
Silver Level
shinedown.45
Legend
Silver Level
JJ is easy to play, just as any pair is,
Pre-flop: Fold/Call/Raise depending on position and/or action before you.
Flop: C-bet/Check-raise/Fold, again depending on action before you and board texture on flop.
Just don't overvalue JJ.
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HEFOLK132
Rock Star
Silver Level
Here I am ready to argue with you)And I always thought David & Victoria Beckham were the most awful couple
Yep jacks can be a bothersome hand, but I still love them!! I think I have lost more with kings than jacks.
EvertonGirl
Professional Fish
Loyaler
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HEFOLK132
Rock Star
Silver Level
No, David Beckham, is David Beckham, here it isnt even necessary to argue))).I into the account of Kings))With what? David and Victoria? Or Kings losing more for me?
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subsinind
Rock Star
Silver Level
For me, JJ is no better than 22 or 99 or AK
It all depends on the flop and the players who are in. But if you slow play it, you are doomed and if they have two overs, you are doomed as well.
Its just depends on the players and their play to know how you play it. Should raise pre in tournaments or go all in depending on the stack and blinds.
JJ in cash is actually no better than 22.
It all depends on the flop and the players who are in. But if you slow play it, you are doomed and if they have two overs, you are doomed as well.
Its just depends on the players and their play to know how you play it. Should raise pre in tournaments or go all in depending on the stack and blinds.
JJ in cash is actually no better than 22.
SaintNick1968
Visionary
Silver Level
When you say that JJ is a bad hand, you must always keep in mind that in actual fact JJ > 1010 > 22, and JJ should be a hand which you value fairly highly. However, you must also bear in mind that it is not a monster, and if you face raises and reraises and shoves then it's not a case of going for it no matter what with JJ. It is a good hand, but it's not so good that you can never fold. Think about the odds you're getting compared to your opponents ranges in any of these spots. Quite often there might be a spot where you feel you have to call with JJ when in actual fact your opponents range might look like JJ-KK,AK, sometimes AA, which you are clearly crushed by. Think logically before you call a shove after a lot of raises for 30BB.
JJ are fairly awkward postflop, but I don't mind them too much. Sometimes they are an overpair, sometimes they are a set, sometimes you get an overcard and you're going to need to try to get to showdown rather than continuing to bet and raise. Out of position the hand is admittedly quite sucky with overcards, but as long as you are relatively confident of your opponents range you should be able to make sensible plays with it, as with any hand.
My least favorite hand is 22 by the way, really bad hand in tournaments. You can't invest a large amount of your stack with it preflop without having to go all in or fold, it flops absolutely nothing most of the time, it doesn't have the straight potential of other pairs, and you have to get it in and sometimes even call shoves if the price is right with it but you are almost always flipping or behind. Guess I need a thread on that
JJ are fairly awkward postflop, but I don't mind them too much. Sometimes they are an overpair, sometimes they are a set, sometimes you get an overcard and you're going to need to try to get to showdown rather than continuing to bet and raise. Out of position the hand is admittedly quite sucky with overcards, but as long as you are relatively confident of your opponents range you should be able to make sensible plays with it, as with any hand.
My least favorite hand is 22 by the way, really bad hand in tournaments. You can't invest a large amount of your stack with it preflop without having to go all in or fold, it flops absolutely nothing most of the time, it doesn't have the straight potential of other pairs, and you have to get it in and sometimes even call shoves if the price is right with it but you are almost always flipping or behind. Guess I need a thread on that
delta50
Enthusiast
Silver Level
im happy pushing from the button with JJ, but as regards calling all ins with 2 all ins in front of me im folding.i never play any hands the same way,maybe raise or flat call any mini raises,all depends on how im feeling and the state of my stack and how close to the money i am etc etc,so many things to consider before deciding what im going to do with JJ.
Svyat66556
Rock Star
Silver Level
With pocket jacks I do raise before the flop and on the flop continue to play aggressively, even if the fall is one of the older cards flop. But sometimes I fold when tight players, and they do to a raise and reraise before the flop,
