I got a stupid question: Do horrible players ever think about fixing their game?
Wes747
Visionary
Silver Level
Yes. That was over a few months of playing 50NL. Currently I have dropped down to 25NL. I 12 table 25NL and make around $80 a week in rakeback. I think it actually equates to something like $5 an hour. (So it was $10 an hour at 50NL)
KoRnholio
Visionary
Silver Level
There's a lot of recreational gamblers out there who have no interest in trying hard or spending time learning to play well. They just gamble for the fun of it. Putting effort in would likely ruin their fun.
Just look at any casino at the tables full of people playing the table games (especially baccarat). They are getting eaten up by the house edge, but they don't care, they just keep playing.
Consider the 2nd graph. This player has lost about $28,000 over about 4500 games played. That's only about -$6 per game played. If he's playing $20+2 buyin games, that's a -27% ROI. Pretty bad, but for some that's cheap entertainment. He has likely been playing years and years to accumulate that many games played.
And with 30% rakeback/bonuses, he may indeed not be down nearly that much. Even if he's playing $10+1 games with an ROI of -55% (absolutely terrible, probably the worst <2% of all players), he's still only losing a few bucks per game played. Figuring the average tourny (for him at least) at an hour, that's pretty cheap entertainment.
Just look at any casino at the tables full of people playing the table games (especially baccarat). They are getting eaten up by the house edge, but they don't care, they just keep playing.
Consider the 2nd graph. This player has lost about $28,000 over about 4500 games played. That's only about -$6 per game played. If he's playing $20+2 buyin games, that's a -27% ROI. Pretty bad, but for some that's cheap entertainment. He has likely been playing years and years to accumulate that many games played.
And with 30% rakeback/bonuses, he may indeed not be down nearly that much. Even if he's playing $10+1 games with an ROI of -55% (absolutely terrible, probably the worst <2% of all players), he's still only losing a few bucks per game played. Figuring the average tourny (for him at least) at an hour, that's pretty cheap entertainment.
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swingro
Legend
Silver Level
There are a lot of ppl with money who spend their free time playing poker.
Also there are some guys that won a big prize through a sattelite with some luck and after that thinking they are good they lost all of them .
Something like Moneymaker
Also there are some guys that won a big prize through a sattelite with some luck and after that thinking they are good they lost all of them .
Something like Moneymaker
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budebuzz
Rock Star
Silver Level
The first thing that comes to mind is that there is a huge range of people playing this game, and for many many reasons. If you take me for an example, I started playing for a chance to win a wsop seat in a local tournament, then I went to home games and now I play mostly on line for free or low stakes. I am probably a crappy player but I know I was a lot worse because I got together with a few friends that used to play in the home games and couldnt believe I used to play the random cards that I did and how few hand I now get involved in, Its really pretty shocking although I think I had a lot more fun back then LOL! Now I take it more seriously and have to think about many more things to "play better". Still depending on my situation I still suck out on people, mainly because I just dont believe them and call with some dominated hand and somehow hit something that wins, but not that often , most of the time I feel it is the other way around. I also get into situations like I'm sure you all do when you are tired of either getting pushed around or getting crap cards and finally shove and maybe win but so what! I hate when it happens either way but it does and will and that is what we have to put up with. So yes, I try to get better by reading and joining Card Chat and through experience and for the most part I think most others do too if they really like to play and get better, its just everybody is somewhere different in their level of play or playing a paticular way for one reason or another and some probably dont care.
, most of the time I feel it is the other way around. I also get into situations like I'm sure you all do when you are tired of either getting pushed around or getting crap cards and finally shove and maybe win but so what! I hate when it happens either way but it does and will and that is what we have to put up with. So yes, I try to get better by reading and joining Card Chat and through experience and for the most part I think most others do too if they really like to play and get better, its just everybody is somewhere different in their level of play or playing a paticular way for one reason or another and some probably dont care.
The Gent
Rock Star
Silver Level
When I first started I had a poker allowance in the family budget, I don't need it any more as I do ok and at least break even. I have been playing a long time and have been trying to learn, reading books, magazines, forums and watching videos etc.
I learnt enough to make money and others fell by the way side, most do one or the other.
There is also the other type, rich or stupid players who think nothing of dropping $500+ into an account and playing a limit way above their skill level, but they can afford to keep doing it.
They probably believe by playing more hands they will improve, as we all know it takes more than just playing lots
I learnt enough to make money and others fell by the way side, most do one or the other.
There is also the other type, rich or stupid players who think nothing of dropping $500+ into an account and playing a limit way above their skill level, but they can afford to keep doing it.
They probably believe by playing more hands they will improve, as we all know it takes more than just playing lots
doops
Visionary
Silver Level
What, you want these players to go away?? Are you nuts?
There are people who think they are better than they are, and there are people who play for fun with a massive personal bank balance that lets them lose like that without any pain whatsoever. Losing $10-20K would be awful for some of us, but for someone with a seven-figure income, it's not much at all. (I have to hope that nobody who is losing like this is actually unable to afford it -- even though I know there are people who wreck their lives like this.)
Those of us who have a limited poker bankroll/budget, some self-awareness and a reality-based outlook would either quit, cut back or try to get better. But some do not have such constraints.
There are people who think they are better than they are, and there are people who play for fun with a massive personal bank balance that lets them lose like that without any pain whatsoever. Losing $10-20K would be awful for some of us, but for someone with a seven-figure income, it's not much at all. (I have to hope that nobody who is losing like this is actually unable to afford it -- even though I know there are people who wreck their lives like this.)
Those of us who have a limited poker bankroll/budget, some self-awareness and a reality-based outlook would either quit, cut back or try to get better. But some do not have such constraints.
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Lofwyr
Rock Star
Silver Level
For many of these people the total value of their losses doesn't really hit them. I had friends who would sit around one computer for a night taking turns playing SnGs. One person loads $25 on PS and then plays a few...over a typical evening none of them would lose the entire $25. But over months they would each burn multiple $25 PS buys which really adds up.
Funny enough...a friend who takes poker more seriously showed them sharkscope...which in turn showed them that each had lost over $1k in something less than a year from their minor buy-in entertainment. It actually convinced them to stop
Funny enough...a friend who takes poker more seriously showed them sharkscope...which in turn showed them that each had lost over $1k in something less than a year from their minor buy-in entertainment. It actually convinced them to stop
PoKeRFoRNiA
Legend
Bronze Level
Sorry I lied. Actually, these two graphs are same player's graph. Top one is cash game and bottom one is tourney sharkscope of same player's stats. I'm not posting his name because that's cyber-assassination. You're right. There are players who won a lot through tourneys but lost a lot in cash games. But those are VERY few players. Probably like 1 out of 20 players? When I search them up in both ptr and sharkscope, they have both negative downward slope.
Now thinking about it, I believe this thread is very stupid. I look like a person who want horrible players to improve. I posted this thread because I just couldn't understand how they can lose so much but keep going non-stop without considering to improve their game since they're so horrible. But in the long run, we should pray for these people. It's just that when I get bad beated over horrible plays getting rewarded, I just look up their stats and it's horrible. It was too horrible to the point where I couldn't understand.