dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Okay, I'll take it seriously then...
I wouldn't say I'm completely out of the fish stage, but who is. Everyone bluffs from time to time at a draw. But in a freeroll I might do that two times in a sticky situation and when I feel I have the upper hand. Ninety percent of the time I get beat with all my chips in its usually a bad beat. I don't throw them in without having a good hand. My hands played are high around 35%, but I'm working on that (and that's not in cash games, that's around 20%).
So, with that said, what should I be working on to become a better?
I wouldn't say I'm completely out of the fish stage, but who is. Everyone bluffs from time to time at a draw. But in a freeroll I might do that two times in a sticky situation and when I feel I have the upper hand. Ninety percent of the time I get beat with all my chips in its usually a bad beat. I don't throw them in without having a good hand. My hands played are high around 35%, but I'm working on that (and that's not in cash games, that's around 20%).
So, with that said, what should I be working on to become a better?
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glworden
Visionary
Silver Level
I don't claim to be an expert, but I have a hard time answering that question myself - how good a player am I? I may be very consistent at doing the things I think are correct, but what if my premises are wrong? Don't most players tend to over-estimate their abilities?
Saying when you get beat with chips all in it's usually a bad beat sounds more like an excuse than an explanation.
I'm not sure if 35% is too high in a tourney. Sometimes it's good to see a lot of flops early then tighten up quite a bit. I'd like to hear what the experts say bout your 35%. I don't really worry about flop percentages in a tourney. Maybe i should?
And as others have pointed out, you need to learn some bankroll management. Playing outside your bankroll alone might disqualify you from honestly saying "I'm not a bad player." But the good side is: you're asking questions and wanting to improve.
Gary
dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I see your point on seeing a lot of flops early, but I tend to do better when my percentage is down. Especially since most of the freerolls I'm in tend to have a lot of donks and fish in them. Maybe that's why.
And, yeah, I've already acknowledged the fact that my bankroll issue was a major factor.
Thanks for the insight.
And, yeah, I've already acknowledged the fact that my bankroll issue was a major factor.
Thanks for the insight.
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wicked663
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I think you and I have similar stories. I have built a $70 bankroll at Doyles from nothing. I cashed in a couple of tourneys/freerolls then went to micro 10 person sit n gos. .10/.01 buy ins. Once I had a winning record on that level (by winning I mean 2nd or 1st, you cash in 3rd aswell but not enough to make any profit so I don't count it) I moved up to .45/.10 and so on and so on. I also allow myself to buy into any multi table sit n go or tourney that is $1 or less. My bankroll is building slowing but surely. You can increase your bankroll faster at the cash tables but you can lose it faster aswell.
Since hitting the $60 mark I have never gone below $55 except when my husband is drunk and plays on my account.
It is a good thing he is cute and I am always able to get it back or he would be in the guest room.
Since hitting the $60 mark I have never gone below $55 except when my husband is drunk and plays on my account.
It is a good thing he is cute and I am always able to get it back or he would be in the guest room.
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wicked663
Enthusiast
Silver Level
The books I have read say the oppisite. When the blinds are small tighten up and as the blinds increase you may need to lossen.
dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Yeah, that's what I try to do. Not saying it works for me, but I'm a rock till about the third escalation, then I open up a bit. But I do that because of the constant all-ins that happen frequently. Not really because it's the best thing to do.
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gn2056
Rock Star
Silver Level
Honestly, I dont view freeroll winnings as a bankroll if unless its a really big freeroll, to me a roll for online poker doesnt really even start till your over a hundred bux. And even then you shouldnt worry about it too much as you can just deposit to start over. If you really are interested in grinding it out with a couple bux, I strongly recommend reading the Chris Ferguson fulltilt blog on the subject, that bankroll management technique is pretty solid way to go, in fact for your situation probably the only way to go.
JoeShowdown
Legend
Silver Level
I just blew 72 bucks out of my 110 wad at eurolinx today playing in the bad beat jackpot 50c $1 no limit tables. I played at those tables with 20 bucks and got up to 150 and now I'm down to 38. Eurolinx runs on the same software as doylesroom and pokerhost so you can only have one of those running at once.
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E-Dub
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Actually, from the way you described your game it sounds to me that you'd do much better at fixed limit games. Anyone else agree?
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glworden
Visionary
Silver Level
Let me tell you about myself
Some of the things you describe are problems I went through and still go through. It sounds like you like to get ahead of your bankroll, and it's real tempting to do because, like you said, who gets excited about an 8 cent win? One poster suggested normal bankroll parameters don't apply because if you bust out, you just re-deposit. That may be true IF you have the money to re-deposit regularly, or if as a US player you've found a reliable means. But I take it money is pretty tight for you, so your bankroll IS your bankroll.
I also think I'm not a bad player, but what the Hell do I know? I've had a couple instances where I've taken an online deposit from $50 to over a thousand. I've withdrawn a couple times, but often I fritter it away. Once I lost $900 on bodog to a password hacker. That really sucked.
In live play, my biggest win was a casino tourney for $1300. Cash games at the casino are a little too high for my blood, usually $1/$2 NL at the least. I've only played those 5 or 6 times, but so far I've won every time. Because I'm playing scared money, I play very few hands. When I do play a hand, I always come in with a raise. Over a 5 hour session, I might win $200, and it's nearly always on one or two big hands.
My online game is different, and probably worse. I play too many hands and try to get people to fold who just don't know how to fold. I usually play .10/.25 NL, but I actually do a little better at .25/.50 or even .50/1 because I'm a little scared and therefore tighter. My last session on Bodog was a $70 win at .25/.50 over two hours. I saw 21% flops at a 9-handed table, maybe a little high, but just right for me.
I read a lot. I study hand histories. I own PokerTracker but just haven't put in the effort to understand it. Sometime I think I know what I'm doing and will post something on this forum, only to get blasted out of the water. That's why I asked you how do you know if you're a good player? I think it's all relative. We could all be better. I look at IREXES current thread about winning MTTs and it's clear that he devotes much more time and intellect to poker than I realized was possible. Will I ever be at that level? Do I want to?
I enjoy th Cardschat tourneys, especially the buy-in ones. I've won a couple and moneyed a couple more times that last two months. I thought maybe it's because I'm a decent player, but to use Rexe's phrase, perhaps I'm just treading at the far end of the bell curve?
Your pattern of winning then losing is very familiar. You attribute it to going up in stakes, which may be true. In my case, a good session is almost always followed by a series of bad ones. I think it's because winning makes me feel like "this is easy," and I lose my focus and discipline. One of Caro's principals is to ALWAYS play your best. Sounds straight-forward, but it's surprising how difficult that is.
How often do you play on Carbon? That and Bodog are my most frequent sites. I'd like to sit down with you at a table sometime. Maybe we could give each other some feedback.
Good book is "Why You Lose at Poker."
May I please ask you a tile question? I put slate on cement board behind my wood stove. Winter came and I didn't have time to seal or grout it. In the Spring, tiles started falling off. I noticed the backs of the slate tiles were really slick and th mortar didn't adhere well. Good adherence to the cement board - was a tough job chipping the old mortar out. Before putting the slate back up, I used the wet saw to gouge the back surface. Any tips?
Thanks,
Gary
Some of the things you describe are problems I went through and still go through. It sounds like you like to get ahead of your bankroll, and it's real tempting to do because, like you said, who gets excited about an 8 cent win? One poster suggested normal bankroll parameters don't apply because if you bust out, you just re-deposit. That may be true IF you have the money to re-deposit regularly, or if as a US player you've found a reliable means. But I take it money is pretty tight for you, so your bankroll IS your bankroll.
I also think I'm not a bad player, but what the Hell do I know? I've had a couple instances where I've taken an online deposit from $50 to over a thousand. I've withdrawn a couple times, but often I fritter it away. Once I lost $900 on bodog to a password hacker. That really sucked.
In live play, my biggest win was a casino tourney for $1300. Cash games at the casino are a little too high for my blood, usually $1/$2 NL at the least. I've only played those 5 or 6 times, but so far I've won every time. Because I'm playing scared money, I play very few hands. When I do play a hand, I always come in with a raise. Over a 5 hour session, I might win $200, and it's nearly always on one or two big hands.
My online game is different, and probably worse. I play too many hands and try to get people to fold who just don't know how to fold. I usually play .10/.25 NL, but I actually do a little better at .25/.50 or even .50/1 because I'm a little scared and therefore tighter. My last session on Bodog was a $70 win at .25/.50 over two hours. I saw 21% flops at a 9-handed table, maybe a little high, but just right for me.
I read a lot. I study hand histories. I own PokerTracker but just haven't put in the effort to understand it. Sometime I think I know what I'm doing and will post something on this forum, only to get blasted out of the water. That's why I asked you how do you know if you're a good player? I think it's all relative. We could all be better. I look at IREXES current thread about winning MTTs and it's clear that he devotes much more time and intellect to poker than I realized was possible. Will I ever be at that level? Do I want to?
I enjoy th Cardschat tourneys, especially the buy-in ones. I've won a couple and moneyed a couple more times that last two months. I thought maybe it's because I'm a decent player, but to use Rexe's phrase, perhaps I'm just treading at the far end of the bell curve?
Your pattern of winning then losing is very familiar. You attribute it to going up in stakes, which may be true. In my case, a good session is almost always followed by a series of bad ones. I think it's because winning makes me feel like "this is easy," and I lose my focus and discipline. One of Caro's principals is to ALWAYS play your best. Sounds straight-forward, but it's surprising how difficult that is.
How often do you play on Carbon? That and Bodog are my most frequent sites. I'd like to sit down with you at a table sometime. Maybe we could give each other some feedback.
Good book is "Why You Lose at Poker."
May I please ask you a tile question? I put slate on cement board behind my wood stove. Winter came and I didn't have time to seal or grout it. In the Spring, tiles started falling off. I noticed the backs of the slate tiles were really slick and th mortar didn't adhere well. Good adherence to the cement board - was a tough job chipping the old mortar out. Before putting the slate back up, I used the wet saw to gouge the back surface. Any tips?
Thanks,
Gary
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teksmith
Rock Star
Silver Level
Try to play within your bankroll. To me that means never buying in for more than 5% of you BR. That way if you lose it you can just chalk it up to bad luck or at least learn something from it so you don't make the same mistake twice. Others may say 10% but variance can take a big chunk real quick.
dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I'll answer the tile question first, gl. If this is putting slate on a wall instead of the floor, I don't have much experience there. However, if you are putting it on a wall, you might want to check out this site... StoneWorldOutlet.com
I've used this manufactured rock before and it looks and feels like the real thing. It hangs easily and totals about 3.50 a sq/ft. It also has a 75 yr limited warranty.
You can go here to see a fireplace I put in just recently with this material... just copy and paste.
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I've used this manufactured rock before and it looks and feels like the real thing. It hangs easily and totals about 3.50 a sq/ft. It also has a 75 yr limited warranty.
You can go here to see a fireplace I put in just recently with this material... just copy and paste.
Custom Lifestyles - Remodeling and Flooring - Springfield (MO) Repair, Remdeling Services - Kijiji Springfield (MO)
dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I know what you mean by "playing scared money". It seems like I was doing it all the time. It's easier to hold on to it longer that way, for the most part. But the issue is impatience and jumping on a hand and making a mistake. You lose a bigger chunk that way.
I will try to check that book out also. Do you know who writes it?
I will try to check that book out also. Do you know who writes it?
davejs1671@yahoo.com
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Do a search on the net using "bankroll management for poker" as your key words and you will find several sites with a lot of great information. Find a system that you feel is best for you and commit to it and just grind it out. I also think that if you don't have a large enough bankroll to play at cash tables I would suggest you try to build it to what you need by playing sit n go's. Some of them pay out up to 4 places at a 10 man table giving you much better chances of not loosing your money to fast.
lizasback
Enthusiast
Silver Level
next time you win a little, if it's possible to get into a .25/.50 table of 6 players try that, i've found i can win on certain tables, mine at the moment is the .5/.10 nl holdem 6 player table......the 6 player tables work for me !
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glworden
Visionary
Silver Level
Why You Lose at Poker
Russell Fox and Scott Harker. Here's the Amazon link:
Amazon.com: Why You Lose at Poker: Russell Fox, Scott T. Harker: Books
Russell Fox and Scott Harker. Here's the Amazon link:
Amazon.com: Why You Lose at Poker: Russell Fox, Scott T. Harker: Books
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mvelas
Enthusiast
Silver Level
wow was reading glworden post... Seriously thats a great question dude, Ev1 should ask themselves, i read one thing one day more than 90 % of online players lose money, only a few make profit, as i freeroll my way to withdraw some, i consider i make profit !...
shoulda start a new threat about how good people think they play poker.
shoulda start a new threat about how good people think they play poker.
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wicked663
Enthusiast
Silver Level
dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I got knocked out of a private tourney on UB last night. I had the lead from about ten tables left to 6 tables left and then stayed in the top ten down to four.
The chip leader was sitting at my table to my right and I was dealt Kc 7c. I was on the button and called. There were three players left in the hand, all called. The flop came Ac 3d 3c. The first player checked, chip leader bet minimum (600). I called the bet and the other player folded. I put CL on A10 or AJ since there was no bigger bet pre-flop. Turn came Ah and CL checked. I checked. This caused me to rethink his hand at maybe K10 or KJ (his devious plan worked). River came 8c to make my flush. I raised 1200, he doubled me, I went all in and he called with A3o for a boat and took me out.
CL had been doubling bets and catching easy chips on people betting on draws since I got to the table. I thought this was what was happening here, but I was wrong. What did I miss? Or was this just bad betting on my part?
The chip leader was sitting at my table to my right and I was dealt Kc 7c. I was on the button and called. There were three players left in the hand, all called. The flop came Ac 3d 3c. The first player checked, chip leader bet minimum (600). I called the bet and the other player folded. I put CL on A10 or AJ since there was no bigger bet pre-flop. Turn came Ah and CL checked. I checked. This caused me to rethink his hand at maybe K10 or KJ (his devious plan worked). River came 8c to make my flush. I raised 1200, he doubled me, I went all in and he called with A3o for a boat and took me out.
CL had been doubling bets and catching easy chips on people betting on draws since I got to the table. I thought this was what was happening here, but I was wrong. What did I miss? Or was this just bad betting on my part?
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Arielstorm
Enthusiast
Silver Level
There has been a lot of talk about UB being filtrated with cheaters. You have to becareful on there. Check out the two plus two poker cast, they have a bunch of stuff about the FBI investigation that is going on with UB