Checkers and limpers = play more hands?

[Worak]

Anyway I see you are an experimented player (snip)One example will not convince me because i was not convinced of the thousands of examples of the rigged thread

c9h13no3 an experimental player ???

(I hope you meant experienced)

BB: $5.37
UTG: $9.62
MP: $5.00 (=50bb)
CO: $22.18
BTN: $10.00
Hero (SB): $10.40

MP posts a big blind ($0.10) (blep)[/QUOTE]

MP buys in for 50bb and posts BB is a very strong indication that he's a fish.

How many examples do you need swing ?

C-betting by the preflop raiser against random fish making them fold is really standard.

 

[swingro]

c9h13no3 an experimental player ???

(I hope you meant experienced)

BB: $5.37
UTG: $9.62
MP: $5.00 (=50bb)
CO: $22.18
BTN: $10.00
Hero (SB): $10.40

MP posts a big blind ($0.10) (blep)[/QUOTE]

MP buys in for 50bb and posts BB is a very strong indication that he's a fish.

How many examples do you need swing ?

C-betting by the preflop raiser against random fish making them fold is really standard.

So i am the only one they respond to? I consider myself a TAG player. I raise hard with AA and 2 call. I cbet they fold and i show them what i have. I do this after 15 mins , other 2 call.Flop 10 8 5 rainbow.I Cbet, one goes all in and i take his stack because he had J10s. I would had folded if i had AK.

I know what fish are but i cannot deal with them unless i w8 for the right hand to strike.

You can laugh but that is the way i see poker for now. I want to know how often you do this at a table full of limpers. Once , twice, 10 times per hour? If they call your cbet what next?

 

[c9h13no3]

I raise hard with AA and 2 call. I cbet they fold

Do you see how since they folded, you having AA is irrelevant?

If you raise, and your opponent has limped JT, he will flop a hand he can continue with about 40% of the time. The other 60%, you're picking up the pot IF YOU NEVER HAVE A HAND EITHER. So waiting for hands like aces is totally irrelevant, since a big chunk of your profit comes from them folding 60% of the time.

 

[swingro]

Do you see how since they folded, you having AA is irrelevant?

If you raise, and your opponent has limped JT, he will flop a hand he can continue with about 40% of the time. The other 60%, you're picking up the pot IF YOU NEVER HAVE A HAND EITHER. So waiting for hands like aces is totally irrelevant, since a big chunk of your profit comes from them folding 60% of the time.

Exactely this was what i wanted to ask because i did not found the math behind this.
Is this percent of the time when they fold more profitable than an eventual loss when i have to cbet with nothing but one opponent fights back making me check for pot control or fold if an eventual reraise comes? Suppoze i do not cbet. Check check .. What do i do?
Every book talks about odds,players profile and how to adjust my play according to that. I did not found one that treats this chapter (raising and cbetting the flop) in a complete way and how o bluff an avalanche of limpers . Every book talks about taking decisions after you see the board according to pott odds so on the long run you can make profit.

I searched Google but i did not found the exact math.

LOL the first site in the Google search list "limpers how do you deal with them" is cardschat

 

[bgomez89]

don't need math because you make up for the failed cbets when:

a) they fold
b) you hit it hard and vbet them while they call with worse

 

[JOEBOB69]

Don't listen to them swing.There tring to get you to win money with out having AA.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/gen...ical-nature-giving-good-advice-public-188202/

 

[swingro]

Don't listen to them swing.There tring to get you to win money with out having AA.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/gen...ical-nature-giving-good-advice-public-188202/

Pls leave your jokes home
Thx all that explained me things i did not know, no thanx to jokers.

 

[swingro]

Do you see how since they folded, you having AA is irrelevant?

If you raise, and your opponent has limped JT, he will flop a hand he can continue with about 40% of the time. The other 60%, you're picking up the pot IF YOU NEVER HAVE A HAND EITHER. So waiting for hands like aces is totally irrelevant, since a big chunk of your profit comes from them folding 60% of the time.

Yeah it works. But i am not confortable with it. Still i managed to steal 5 dollars in one hour
Managed to get lucky pressing the wrong button once crashing aces with JT suited after cbetting a guy who was trapping me, gaining 12 dollars Guy called me an idiot but i do not care He's the donk cose he limped aces.
Ps . Is verry hard to keep track of the profiles when multitabling.

 

[JOEBOB69]

Yeah it works. But i am not confortable with it. Still i managed to steal 5 dollars in one hour
Managed to get lucky pressing the wrong button once crashing aces with JT suited after cbetting a guy who was trapping me, gaining 12 dollars Guy called me an idiot but i do not care He's the donk cose he limped aces.
Ps . Is verry hard to keep track of the profiles when multitabling.

Ever heard of Pt3 or HEM?

 

[swingro]

Ever heard of Pt3 or HEM?

Yes but I cannot use them the right way yet. Not enough experience.

 

[okeedokalee]

Raising limpers is the correct adjustment, not limping behind them.

However, if you were to limp behind, make sure its with hands like A2s or 76, hands that make straights/flushes fairly easily. Don't be the chump that plays J7 for a limp.

Agree C9 they are telling you they are chasing weak; pre-flop is the time to make them pay too continue, on a rainbow flop I usually follow with a cbet regardless of what flops for me.