The Benefits of Aggression (Day 2 Course Discussion)

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The KJ 3 bet at the end I don't get it at the beginning it appears to be a weird play, but with explanation it became more clear. But I rather take the passive line at the end cause the only hand that bet us and can fold are Q with low kicker, all doubles pairs, Sets, straight will call.
 
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I am waiting for more explanation about this hand like the pro player told us (he say he will explain this in further episodes). I am guessing he has good intuition and know for sure that the player doesn't have anything it came with experience, so this is why even if we raise and he shoves ha can still manage to call cause of his good reed and his good comprehension of the game and the player.
 
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This time doing this course it made me think lot more the first time I think I kinda lost myself trying to take all the information in and forgetting the important thing but fantastic course. Love it
 
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An important learning lesson. I have not yet determined the final decision on how to deal with different types of players for myself. I need more practice, more games.
 
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Mattryder, I agree 100% with your post.

As for the video, I like the idea of three levels of aggression (aggressive, passive, and neutral). I hadn't used the term neutral before, but it makes perfect sense. I find it interesting that all three levels of aggression were used in the last hand example. This should be an aha moment for anyone who thinks aggressive play must mean keeping our foot on the gas at all times.

I do have a question though. In two of the videos, the hero on the turn did not raise with the well-known reason that “only a better hand would call.” If the river was a brick in one of these hands, why was that reasoning thrown at the river? It seems that we should not wobble back and forth from street to street based on our reasoning. Otherwise, we could fall into the trap of taking every action we take

Sometimes the first two lessons are enough to win. Aggressive play in position is really hard to confront. If I were to play it in the example hand, the villain would probably have had 89s...
Day 1 - Chapter 2

It is very important to differentiate whether a player is passive, neutral, or aggressive. Today in the freeroll, I had a very difficult time playing against the bad guy, to the point where I started making bad decisions; I folded winning hands into aggression and stayed away from hands that I would have won if I had the chance to limp.

Answer to the video question:

Preflop - aggressive (bet)
Postflop - neutral (check)
Turn - passive (call)
River — aggressive (increase)

So far, it's been great fun and informative.
I'm thrilled...
 
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I'm on week 2 of CC Pokercourse and I already can see some change in my game in general. A very solid and informative course while keeping it simple.
 
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It still amazes me that every game I see players limping to players that are sitting out, they must not have gone through the course.
 
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Hello! I would write this post for those who do not read the tutorial, but look at the comments on the forum. I am only writing the most important thing, which is the lesson from the chapter of the tutorial!

Chapter 2
(The Benefits of Aggression)


Those who tend to play too many hands, not only with strong cards, but also with medium and weak cards! They raise and bluff a lot, which is why they are difficult to predict! A good strategy at tables with few players! Sometimes, high-stakes tables are more effective than a tight style.
 
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Day 2 done!

I learned how importante agression are, just as much my lucky, because everytime i go agressive someone go all-in. Eventually i need to play more passively or call the all-in :|
 
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chapter 2 done - tomorrow chapter 3 ;-) - easy to understand - good work@CC!
 
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Another useful chapter. It adds more light into understanding the depths of the game. One question though :the hero check on the turn wasn't it supposed to be a bet?
 
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Being unpredictable and tougher to play against.
 
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watching class 2, very good, congratulations
 
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The last raise with KJ showed me that i must take the time to try to read the opponent hand, i'm gonna put that in practise for sure
 
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This course is interesting me a little more in each chapter and after reading some comments in each day's lesson I am convinced that you have to be more aggressive with made hands. But if you have the best hand and the bet size is too big for villain to call on the river, wouldn't that be a loss in itself?

A Call Station Player is wonderful, I would love to have several at my table, they are extremely passive and call with medium hands. It is very rare that they go up, pass and pay, they are very exploitable.
 
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I watched video 1 and 2 , and I saw that all the times to win the pot you over bet, is it your agressive strategy or just for the example, because for me all the time players over bet it's just a bluff or they want to stop the action because we have a possible draw on the flop turn etc and they are scary to play more.
Because an overbet it's an very low equity for the adverse players too.
Ok when they bet low , most of the time it can be just to say , I play and I want to see more but not to expensive :)
 
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I just finished watching the second day of the course, and I received a lot of valuable information that will definitely help me in the future! I will play more aggressively.
 
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Hi, nice topic, I think the right use of the three types of actions are profitable but being aggressive could be more.
 
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I thought checking was passive but it’s neither only calling is passive… I am an aggressive player, I like to bet and raise!
 
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Day 2 completed, the choice between a passive opponent who tends to check and call frequently and a loose or tight opponent who plays more actively depends on your own playing style and strategy. Here are some considerations:
Against a passive opponent:
  • You can take control of the action and steer the game.
  • You'll have more opportunities to steal pots with aggressive bets.
  • You can make more accurate reads on their hand when they finally bet.
Against a loose or tight opponent:
  • You can anticipate more predictable playing patterns.
  • You'll need to be more selective with your hands and strategies, as they may be more aggressive or conservative.
  • You can exploit their playing tendencies, for example, by betting stronger against loose opponents or seeking smaller pots against tight opponents.
Ultimately, preference depends on your playing style and skills. Some players prefer facing passive opponents to take control, while others enjoy the variability that loose or tight opponents offer. The key is to adapt your strategy based on the type of opponent you are up against and capitalize on their weaknesses.
 
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On a raise on the flop you study what the opponent would have, on the turn a big raise you would always think of the opponent even if he held on the big pair you would say wow AA and it would make sense to risk at the given moment a situation that Raise is on your side at the rival 🙂
 
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Hi everybody, just finished Day 2.

Answering the question, i think AGGRESION is one of the keys to success in poker. The possibility to take pots from passive players and speculative hands worth to play aggresive, so you can determinate the size of the pots, the action, add value to your hand, and of course become a hard nut to crack on the poker table.

Now let's move into Day 3.

Thank you Kate and Collin.
 
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