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10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand

gjshand

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Someone here will surley be able to shed some light on this for me :

I remember hearing somewhere, on TV i think, that 10-J ( can't remember if it needs to be suited ) is considered to be one of the best starting hands in Texas-Holdem.

I think the quote was that it " .....makes the nuts 5 ways.... "

Was i dreaming or is there some truth to this?
 
MicheleW

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I like the 10/J too but don't play it every time. I play it if I'm in the correct position and don't have to put too many chips in to see the flop and sometimes if I have very few players with me. There's a lot of cards that can beat me too.
 
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Don't know who said that, but that is just about as Donkeyish a statement as I have ever heard. Don't listen to that crap. Suited or not (suited is better, but not by leaps and bounds) J-10, is considered a suited connector and its value is in the same category as 7-8 suited, or 9-10 suited. It's a drawing hand that has almost no value pre-flop when you're playing a tight style of poker at a multi-seat table. The fewer seats at the table the more its value increases, but still, it is a small increase. Heads-up J-10 is a much better hand than at a multi-player game and its value is then increased accordingly.
 
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Am I nuts, or do you have that exactly backwards. I always though that suited connectors played well in large multiway pots and poorly against few opponents. The reason is that drawing hands don't hit very often but when they do you want to be paid off a lot to make up for all the times you don't hit.
 
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In a tight style of poker, which the OP should be playing (given he is possibly a newbie?) Playing this hand is an undersireable option. The value of the hand is increased in very small increments the less people at the table. It is true that suited connectors do play well, if you know how to play them, and when.

Also I stated that it has almost no value pre-flop...after the flop it may very well draw the nuts, but the chance of it happening are small and you shouldn't be in a raised pot with this hand if you're playing a tight game.
 
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I really like J10 and often call large raises pre-flop with them........there are so many things you can catch.....plus if their suited they look too pretty to fold :)
 
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Pretty cards don't win pots, good cards do and you have to play the percentages. While J-10 is a relatively high hand when refering to suited connectors, it has similar value to all other mid suited connectors such as 8-9 and 9-10. Just because there is paint in your hole cards doesn't make them valuable. Play these hands only for +EV.
 
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play 10-J suited if no raise is involved and im in good position. as a matter of fact hit a royal flush playing 10-J clubs in a live tourney (was on button with no raise and flopped it)

g/l
 
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seems like to many bad things happen when i play these, If i flop the straight or flush
either i get no pay off on the bet or I get caught by the chaser (and there always seems to be one) with 4 to the flush with the ace or king. Usually ill hit 2 on the flop and end up being the chaser lol
 
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diabloblanco said:
Pretty cards don't win pots, good cards do and you have to play the percentages. While J-10 is a relatively high hand when refering to suited connectors, it has similar value to all other mid suited connectors such as 8-9 and 9-10. Just because there is paint in your hole cards doesn't make them valuable. Play these hands only for +EV.
And better players win all.
 
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diabloblanco said:
It is true that suited connectors do play well, if you know how to play them, and when.
You don't understand what you wrote? I don't understand.:hmmmm2:
 
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You added "And better players win all." I didn't get that part. I got the part that I wrote. I had to read it a few times, but it eventually came to me. It was the addition at the end, I wasn't sure what you meant.

What exactly is your point?
 
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Boy and I thought I was blond! In other words if you're playing your suited connectors and you have thought out all the possibilties(like a better player should) and bet when you should, you will come out on top in the long run. "Better players win all"
 
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I'm a blonde too. Also I just re-read my post and I sounded kinda like a jerk. I assure you it wasn't intentional, it was just late and I was dead tired, which is why we had this little exchange in the first place. Sorry about the threadjack, continue on....
 
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Well its nice to now that someone else suffers from my affliction.:)
 
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.....not

....or perhaps?
 
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el blonde stupido
 
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Why J,10s is a good starting hand? It is the best of the suited connectors for the following reasons.

When drawing for a straight, there are 28 cards in the deck that can help you.
When drawing for a flush, the jack is still high enough to be top color.
Both cards have a reasonable chance of flopping top pair. Unlike, say, 5,4.
The higher paint cards have more of a chance of hanging around after the flop with weak kickers, so when you flop top or middle pair with your J,10 your less likely to have competition, and if you do, you've got a solid kicker.
 
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i generally raise with T J preflop , it has many possiblitys for combinations and i totally agree with four dogs on the combinations .
 
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10 J suited

I love getting 10 J suited before the flop. I love suited connecters. You have a good possability to catch every hand there is, including the straight flush.

10 J clubs i prefer lol :deal:
 
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good hand coz it has lots of chances of catching but to think percentage wise your losing preflop against a Q2 off suit... sorta puts it into perspective.
 
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Nice post Four Dog

I also agree with MicheleW. A lot depends on position, raises etc etc. I would call max 3 x BB. I seem to have a nice habit or hitting trip jacks and love 'em!
 
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I play them when suited as I once folded them pre flop to a medium raise and the royal flush was made on the flop. It still hurts!
 
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