Claudiunm
Legend
Platinum Level
I don't see a relationship between thinking too much and making mistakes. I also don't see a relationship between thinking little and making mistakes. It's not about the time you spend thinking. The most important thing is the mindset you adopt in the game. When I can concentrate, really concentrate, I rarely make mistakes. Of course, in Poker the randomness factor can destroy you no matter how logical you are. But when that happens, just move on. There is nothing to learn there.
Finally, don't worry about the time it takes to think, but rather about the quality of that thought.
Finally, don't worry about the time it takes to think, but rather about the quality of that thought.
Ruslan L
Visionary
Platinum Level
It depends on what this phrase is used for. If we are talking about poker and the player making a decision, then in my opinion this phrase is not an axiom. Whether a player thinks for a long time or makes a decision quickly depends primarily on his experience and skills. On the contrary, I believe that players who make hasty and impulsive decisions will be more prone to mistakes.
jonaselloco
Legend
Platinum Level
I don't agree at all.
Actually I think you should place yourself in a particular play or hand.
I believe that when faced with a poker hand, thinking must be logical.
When you place yourself in the logic of a situation, faced with a limit situation you start thinking about what your rival would do, then the decisions are generally good.
For any example, suppose you are in a bounty tournament, you are in BB with 79 BB with A4s, comfortably located and an opponent is in CO with 11 BB and goes all in. In truth, let's agree, your hand is not the best to call, but you must logically analyze what you would do in that situation with that hand. Let's agree that if this opponent was folding a lot of poor hands because he didn't have any interesting ones, until in his hands he had, for example, KQo, and due to the position he decided to go all in. If you pay and nothing comes out in the showdown for the doas, not only do you win the bounty but you also place yourself better in the MTT. The worst that can happen is that you lose your hand and are left with 68 BB.
Sometimes the possibility of losing opens up and you think badly and negatively, when when faced with a logical thought your hand can become a great hand even if it is not.
That's why I think it's best to have logical thinking.
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Actually I think you should place yourself in a particular play or hand.
I believe that when faced with a poker hand, thinking must be logical.
When you place yourself in the logic of a situation, faced with a limit situation you start thinking about what your rival would do, then the decisions are generally good.
For any example, suppose you are in a bounty tournament, you are in BB with 79 BB with A4s, comfortably located and an opponent is in CO with 11 BB and goes all in. In truth, let's agree, your hand is not the best to call, but you must logically analyze what you would do in that situation with that hand. Let's agree that if this opponent was folding a lot of poor hands because he didn't have any interesting ones, until in his hands he had, for example, KQo, and due to the position he decided to go all in. If you pay and nothing comes out in the showdown for the doas, not only do you win the bounty but you also place yourself better in the MTT. The worst that can happen is that you lose your hand and are left with 68 BB.
Sometimes the possibility of losing opens up and you think badly and negatively, when when faced with a logical thought your hand can become a great hand even if it is not.
That's why I think it's best to have logical thinking.
Greetings
NootNoot
Rock Star
Silver Level
It doesn't apply to me, I can only speak about that. It could still be true in general.
My worst decisions are quick decisions when I don't take the time to think about things, and I sometimes make very stupid plays. I remember a hand I played 2 days ago where I don't even know why I called in. Before I knew it I quickly clicked that mouse button and it was idiotic.
I was playing a cash game in a 4-bet pot with Ah Kh, effective stacks around 325BB. Flop was 266, one heart. I bet 1/3rd pot out of position, it was called. Turn 8h, giving me the nut flush draw. I bet 1/3rd pot again and my opponent moved all-in. I didn't have the odds to call to hit the flush and I called anyway very quickly without even thinking. I did it almost instantly. Dumb! I did hit the flush on the river but lost anyway as opponent had 88 and a full house.
I wouldn't normally think they'd have any 2 or 6, or even an 8 in a 4 bet pot although we were deep-stacked so it makes a difference and they can here. The 88 did surprise me a little but not too much. Even so I was behind to AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 10 10 which would be a big part of their range and I wasn't getting the odds to make the call. I don't really beat any bluffs apart from AQ suited and I was blocking the Ah Qh flush draw as I had Ah Kh myself so it's a negative blocker. The only hope was perhaps some tied pot if villain was taking a big punt and jamming AK of their own.
If I took some time to think about it I'd have folded. It took less than second to call for some reason.
The only consolation is that I know how wrong this was, and that I can fix similar errors in the future by thinking things through.
My worst decisions are quick decisions when I don't take the time to think about things, and I sometimes make very stupid plays. I remember a hand I played 2 days ago where I don't even know why I called in. Before I knew it I quickly clicked that mouse button and it was idiotic.
I was playing a cash game in a 4-bet pot with Ah Kh, effective stacks around 325BB. Flop was 266, one heart. I bet 1/3rd pot out of position, it was called. Turn 8h, giving me the nut flush draw. I bet 1/3rd pot again and my opponent moved all-in. I didn't have the odds to call to hit the flush and I called anyway very quickly without even thinking. I did it almost instantly. Dumb! I did hit the flush on the river but lost anyway as opponent had 88 and a full house.
I wouldn't normally think they'd have any 2 or 6, or even an 8 in a 4 bet pot although we were deep-stacked so it makes a difference and they can here. The 88 did surprise me a little but not too much. Even so I was behind to AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 10 10 which would be a big part of their range and I wasn't getting the odds to make the call. I don't really beat any bluffs apart from AQ suited and I was blocking the Ah Qh flush draw as I had Ah Kh myself so it's a negative blocker. The only hope was perhaps some tied pot if villain was taking a big punt and jamming AK of their own.
If I took some time to think about it I'd have folded. It took less than second to call for some reason.
The only consolation is that I know how wrong this was, and that I can fix similar errors in the future by thinking things through.
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john_entony
Legend
Platinum Level
No, I totally disagree. I use my playing time to study the notes I take on each player. It helps me improve my game. So I use my playing time as long as possible.
Rost
Visionary
Platinum Level
If we are talking about a duel with pistols, then I agree with this phrase. If we are talking about poker, then this phrase simply does not make sense
Gallarado777
Legend
Loyaler
If you think for a long time, you can change your mind and make a mistake, which is what you say in this title. So don't think too much to outplay yourself in your head, think a little bit about the average amount of time and decide then you'll be wrong
hardongear
Rock Star
Silver Level
Don't completely agree but then I likely play faster then a lot of players. But then I'm always thinking 1-2 steps ahead every decision every hand. By the time I act when it's my turn I almost always know what I'm gonna do if I'm called or re-raised by villain. I also tend to take the same amount of time with decisions whether playing live or online. Taking the same amount of time every hand to make a decision is simply a habit now from playing so much online where timing can be a tell.
Depending on villain when playing live I may take a bit of extra time if I know it will make villain nervous and I'll get a tell outta him. With that said I'll never a guy accused of playing too slow. I actually don't enjoy playing live all that because there's always that one guy who has to take forever every decision every hand no matter what. Just to insanely annoying and maddening.
Cheers!!!
Depending on villain when playing live I may take a bit of extra time if I know it will make villain nervous and I'll get a tell outta him. With that said I'll never a guy accused of playing too slow. I actually don't enjoy playing live all that because there's always that one guy who has to take forever every decision every hand no matter what. Just to insanely annoying and maddening.
Cheers!!!
0546474
Legend
Loyaler
A lot depends on the situation, there are options when making a decision is obvious and there are situations when you need to think!!!
en.wikipedia.org
Thinking, Fast and Slow - Wikipedia
ObbleeXY
Visionary
Bronze Level
In some circumstances this is true. But in most, the long time usage is just a rookie manoevre. It is wasting time because someone thinks that is what players are meant to do. Yes, there are times when you need more time to work things out, byut generally, if you don't know what you should do in the first few seconds, you should probably be folding.
If this is a live game, and we're taling about talking time pre-flop, I think the delay is even worse for you -- especially if you look at your hole cards for a long time too. Nobody with AA or AKs ever had to look at their cards for a long time. So whenever anyone looks for a long time, you can gnerally expect it to be a couple crappy connectors, probably not even suited. (But the faster the look, generally the stronger and more suited the hand is.).
I totally disagree with the "don't worry how long it takes" approach. It is well known that agressive players target those who take a long time deciding. For two reasons -- 1) they are clearly uncertain/lack the ability to make quick decisions. and 2) They are annoying so I want them off my table. If you have a +EV strategy, playing slower means you will have fewer hands/fewer opportunities to run your strategy through. That means slow players are losing you money. I am always bemused by people who constantly run the clock down. They clearl;y don't realise that they are throwing away their edge one clock tick at a time.
If this is a live game, and we're taling about talking time pre-flop, I think the delay is even worse for you -- especially if you look at your hole cards for a long time too. Nobody with AA or AKs ever had to look at their cards for a long time. So whenever anyone looks for a long time, you can gnerally expect it to be a couple crappy connectors, probably not even suited. (But the faster the look, generally the stronger and more suited the hand is.).
I totally disagree with the "don't worry how long it takes" approach. It is well known that agressive players target those who take a long time deciding. For two reasons -- 1) they are clearly uncertain/lack the ability to make quick decisions. and 2) They are annoying so I want them off my table. If you have a +EV strategy, playing slower means you will have fewer hands/fewer opportunities to run your strategy through. That means slow players are losing you money. I am always bemused by people who constantly run the clock down. They clearl;y don't realise that they are throwing away their edge one clock tick at a time.
Paya_31
Visionary
Bronze Level
Hello friend, I think that on the contrary, if you analyze a play well, in the long run you will make better decisions. I mean that thinking too much in poker is not out of place, of course taking into account what type of opponent you have in front of you.