Martin Carreira
Visionary
Silver Level
The truth is that it is a lack of respect and should be disqualified for more than not playing the hand. He can not look at the cards because he can read the game even if he is looking. Should not continue playing the tournament. Ah, first hit it if ahah
Pauliefromgoodfellas
Rock Star
Silver Level
I will leave here the link of a video in which an Argentine professional poker player sees the cards to his rival when she got up from the table and this excuse this by saying that he saw them because he was not going to pay and That you should not leave the cards on the table, my question is what would you do if someone did this in a tournament? I would certainly give him a big punch in the face! Jugador profesional de poker mira las cartas de un rival - YouTube
It's the players job to protect their cards.... Hand should continue normally. J/K, that guy should get a 1 year ban, I would probably leave it in the hands of the officials, if it was a cash game I might sit out the next bb.
robert_wrath
Rock Star
Silver Level
Hey, if a player wants to flip my cards over in a tourny, so be it - if you wanna be disqualified & I take all your chips. Sure, be my guest any time throughout the event. You're more than welcome provided the player is automatically disqualified.
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jokr23
Rock Star
Silver Level
If it were me, I would be angry upon learning that someone cheated by looking at my cards. I would probably either internally be upset or voice my displeasure of what has happened. Maybe even a combination of both.
Agreed with everyone else. He should be disqualified for what he had done. If he did not at that time.
Agreed with everyone else. He should be disqualified for what he had done. If he did not at that time.
malakata19
Visionary
Silver Level
That player is very disrespectful, especially with the only lady at the table, apart from cheeky with all the other players in front of him. He is mediocre, and all because he could not read his opponent. I imagine he should at least be disqualified and his chips would go blind.
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
FWIW this was a 100% douchebag move, but unless it's something he was doing repeatedly then the calls for everything from disqualification to forfeiting his stack in ITT are a little over the top.
Absolutely call the floor and they'll most likely assess a penalty, I suspect it'd be more like sitting out for a round though.
Absolutely call the floor and they'll most likely assess a penalty, I suspect it'd be more like sitting out for a round though.
RidersFan
Legend
Silver Level
That would never happen to me because I wouldn't get up from the table if I went all in, also I protect my hand. Having said that, that is the most ****ed up thing that I have ever seen. He should have been disqualified. Does anyone know what actually happened?
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
Yeah again, disqualification is absolutely not the correct penalty for this if it's his first offense. At most I'd expect something like sitting out for one round of the button.
Here's the TDA rules: http://www.pokertda.com/view-poker-tda-rules/
This action breaks Rule 62, as the player has "read a hand that hasn't been tabled"
Here's TDA Rule 66 B about warnings, penalties and disqualification:
I guess the appropriate reaction depends on whether you classify this as "violating one player to a hand" or "cheating". I think a penalty is absolutely warranted in this case as the violation was obvious and egregious. But let's look at the options:
Penalties, in escalating order, are generally:
- Verbal warning
- One or more missed hands
- One or more missed rounds
- Disqualification
I don't think a verbal warning is enough, though if it was the first and only time the player had done this, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what the floor person opted for. Missing anything up to one round of the button is where I think this falls.
Even if the floor did opt for the nuclear option and disqualify the player BTW, those calling for that player's remaining chips to be given to the other player are wrong: TDA Rule 66 D:
That means nobody gets them.
If anyone is on Twitter and wants the definitive answer BTW, just tweet at Matt Savage. He quite often responds to queries like this one with what he would do in the same situation.
Here's the TDA rules: http://www.pokertda.com/view-poker-tda-rules/
This action breaks Rule 62, as the player has "read a hand that hasn't been tabled"
Players must protect other players in the tournament at all times. Therefore players, whether in the hand or not, must not:
- Disclose contents of live or folded hands,
- Advise or criticize play at any time,
- Read a hand that hasn’t been tabled.
Here's TDA Rule 66 B about warnings, penalties and disqualification:
B: A penalty may be invoked if a player exposes any card with action pending, throws a card off the table, violates one-player-to-a-hand, or similar incidents occur. Penalties will be invoked for soft play, abuse, disruptive behavior, or cheating.
I guess the appropriate reaction depends on whether you classify this as "violating one player to a hand" or "cheating". I think a penalty is absolutely warranted in this case as the violation was obvious and egregious. But let's look at the options:
Penalties, in escalating order, are generally:
- Verbal warning
- One or more missed hands
- One or more missed rounds
- Disqualification
I don't think a verbal warning is enough, though if it was the first and only time the player had done this, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what the floor person opted for. Missing anything up to one round of the button is where I think this falls.
Even if the floor did opt for the nuclear option and disqualify the player BTW, those calling for that player's remaining chips to be given to the other player are wrong: TDA Rule 66 D:
D: Chips of a disqualified player shall be removed from play.
That means nobody gets them.
If anyone is on Twitter and wants the definitive answer BTW, just tweet at Matt Savage. He quite often responds to queries like this one with what he would do in the same situation.
