I've got legend status @ ultimate bet. Play the stud games. It will rain ultimate points.
Btw Makwa, what's your Ultimatebet username? Never seen anyone named Makwa playing stud there.
We at Kahnawake are Mohawks, and are a nation, not a tribe. The Kahnawake Gaming Commission hosts hundreds of online sites, Absolute Poker and Ultimatebet being just two. Those two are owned by Joe Norton, former chief or the Mohawks here for many years.
Are you implying that Mohawks are dishonest because we are 'indian tribe?'
If so, look at where you are playing, because chances are that your platform is 'regulated' or hosted by KGC, a trail blazer and leader in online gaming on Turtle Island.
I don't think Gators was reffering to the Mohawks being in any way dishonest.
However, accusations against Absolute Poker and Ultimatebet are a different matter altogether. With regard to the KGC being a "trail blazer and leader"...you've got to be kidding. I don't think this is an avenue you really want to go down...a case in point being their recent refusal of recognition by an entire government.
Just because the KGC host a lot of servers doesn't automatically mean they're beyond criticism. Regulators have to prove themselves in any sector of business, it would appear that so far the KGC have failed to do this.
I agree, and I am not a native Canadian, I am from Dutch descent, i just felt like the comment about "Indian Tribe" was in bad taste. I live in Toronto, which is one of the most multi-cultural places in the world. I just would like everyone's background/beliefs to be respected, I think it would make not only the poker world, but the world in general a better place!
I think Ultimatebet should start Aboriginal-only tourneys. NDNs R US!
BTW 'Indian' is not necessarily a disrespectful term in US (American Indian), and is still in use somewhat here in Canada..
My point is that we should not label people as 'Indians' or 'Aboriginal' in a generic way, there are hundredss of peoples, languages and nations on both sides of the border, and they should be referred to with a bit of knowledge and respect, individually.
Labelling and lumping people together, as in 'those indians,' 'those blacks,' or 'those Americans,' does not help bring any understanding to any issue.
Well, the inference was 'indian tribe,' as being untrustworty.
What 'refusal of recognition by and entire government' are you referring to? If you mean feds in Canada, yes they refuse to accept Mohawk autonomy, it is an ongoing dispute.
In any case, gaming is a provincial jurisdiction here so, feds have nothing to do with it.
To sum up, don't accuse 'indian tribes' of being responsible for Absolute Poker and Ultimatebet.
LOL at people using Ultimate Bet. They are certified by the Kahnawake indian tribe, do some research on them and decide whether or not you'd trust them with your money.
Jolly right old bean, but this is his or hers to answer, not ours... enough please!Having noted your comment regarding the specific post, I have to agree with you. That deserves an apology and one can only hope it was an inadvertent grammatical or syntax error rather than anything untoward. Either way a retraction is warranted.
U eluded the second part of the sentence, referring to 'worldwide' and 'online.' Evolution schemovultion, 'entirely beyond reproach' is a bunch of gobblespeak in today's reality. Good for UK to move to legislate and scrutinize world gaming, GL and god speed. BTW I though UK was famous for fruit machines?With regard to the UK having "no legislation governing online gaming", nothing could be further from the truth. The UK has very, very stringent legislation regarding this and indeed, is being ammended all the time. From the 1968 Gaming and Lotteries Act to the 2005 Gambling Act it's now getting so tight that it's even difficult to install a fruit machine in some parts of the country. It is partly due to this evolutionary protocol that the KGC were refused staus on the white list, they need to be entirely beyond reproach.
It was the 'Royal you' I used, when referring to usage of terms, speaking to the readers and contributers. That you take it personally is telling. I'm not. Cheers mate, I'm no fan of the POMs, but I live w em.Finally, lets not fall out over this but why won't you acknowledge your error when you accused me of something I clearly didn't say?
This is the quote being discussed. No point in going further with it until the poster reappears, his intent is not plain, but certainly seems to imply that the 'Kahnawake indian tribe' (an ignorant appelation and insult that has been answered by several people) is responsible for UBs disgrace. It is not responsible, is not an 'indian tribe' either.
The quote says "do some research before you trust them with your money". Simple as that.
I don't know whether you know more about Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet than we do - how much of the following is incorrect.
Joe Norton, a Kahnawake elder, owns/owned Ultimate Bet & Absolute Poker (i guess you will agree with this - you were the one that said it).
Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker are regulated by KGC (a HUGE conflict of interest, and one that should NEVER have been allowed. Agree or disagree?).
Players on Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker were both found to have been defrauded by players able to use "superuser" access to see all the hole carrds on the table.
Ultimatebet and Absolute Poker are the only 2 sites to have been "found out" - i.e. no sites regulated outside of KGC have been found to have fraudulent activity.
KGC's audit and regulations are not considered strong enough by the UK govt to be added onto the whitelist of approved sites for online gaming sites.
Above doesn't look good for KGC. If anything above is incorrect, please feel free to correct me. If it isn't, please stop levelling accusations of racism against posters who are only stating matters of fact (and your comment re white paper being an interesting term to use - an apology is due from you there).
On the positive side though, it's nice to see you doing some proper posts. Most of your 300+ posts so far have been complete rubbish.
The bottom line here is that there are simply too many questions regarding the KGC for them to be considered an effective regulator by anyone outside of the KGC themselves.
For those of us who make their living from writing about poker it didn't come as much of surprise to discover how ineffective the KGC really were after the Absolute Poker/Ultimatebet fiasco. Anyone else would have taken the licence away from this company the moment they tried to cover it up. If it had happened in any other sector of business prison sentences would have been dished out like candy at a kids party.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that anyone other than Absolute Poker/Ultimatebet have commited fraud and deception in this manner and there are hundreds of groups and individuals around the World who scrutinise every operator with the utmost diligence.
When they were refused white list recognition, and to their everlasting shame, the KGC also sent a (publicly available) response to the UK government which basically accused them of racism. If it weren't for the fact that it was so laughably pathetic it would have been offensive.
The KGC could be a World leader in online gaming regulation if they got their act together as opposed to the laughing stock that many people have labelled them in virtually all of the forums.