Trying to get RakeBack on FullTilt

[SeanyJ]

So here is my dilemma, I want to get rakeback on FullTilt but I already have an account there which I've never deposited on. I emailed their support and they told me I am not eligible for Rakeback because I signed up through the CardChat affiliate.

My Monthy Gross Rake in PT3 so far this month is $112 at pokerstars, so if I got 27% of that back that would be $30 which isn't bad since I'm only playing $10 NL right now. Now I was thinking since Full Tilt lets you change your account information like your name and address could I just change that and make a new account through a rakeback site? Or would they notice that I did that and probably close my account.

I could easily just make an account under my mom or dads name since they don't play poker at all but I'd rather have it in my own name, it doesn't seem like I will be able to do that though and I just wanted to get some feedback from you guys.

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

I would imagine that discussing this on an open forum would be a bit tricky...

 

[SeanyJ]

Why would it be tricky? I don't think Full Tilt is searching around Poker Forums trying to find people doing things like this.

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

1. You are suggesting giving up your Cardschat link account and using a rakeback account. Cardschat rely on people signing up via their links to keep this awesome site running.
2. Even if what you are suggesting is not illegal, it must at least be borderline.

 

[SeanyJ]

I understand that Cardschat needs people to sign up using their links in order to keep giving freerolls and other tournaments and I don't want to sound selfish but I am playing to try and build my bankroll and make some extra money for myself. I don't plan an continuing to play at $10NL for long because I know my bankroll will keep going up.

When I use the rakeback calculators on various rakeback sites they tell me that with the number of hands I play a month I would be getting back almost $400 a month in rakeback, that is a lot of money to me.

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

I understand the reasons for doing it, just not sure how much luck you'll have discussing it here, but we'll have to see what happens.

 

[zachvac]

Doing any of this would be illegal. What is with people wanting to pick up an easy buck at the expense of others? And if you're going to do it, at least don't talk about it or ask for advice in a public forum that comes up on google.

 

[WVHillbilly]

1st: Sorry, there is no way within the rules to get your account set up for rakeback.

2nd: NEVER, believe any rakeback sites calculator. We're currently 1/2 way through the month and you're MGR is $112 so figure total month at $225. 27% of that would be ~$60.

 

[SeanyJ]

Doing any of this would be illegal. What is with people wanting to pick up an easy buck at the expense of others? And if you're going to do it, at least don't talk about it or ask for advice in a public forum that comes up on google.

Like I said I don't think Full Tilt would be looking around at various Poker Forums trying to find out if people are doing things like this and even if they were no where on this site is my name mentioned or my username on Full Tilt.

 

[SeanyJ]

2nd: NEVER, believe any rakeback sites calculator. We're currently 1/2 way through the month and you're MGR is $112 so figure total month at $225. 27% of that would be ~$60.

And currently I'm playing at $10NL, so if I move up in stakes the rake would be much higher than what I am paying now. That's why I am so desperate to get rakeback because at higher limits I can be getting hundreds of dollars back.

 

[zachvac]

Like I said I don't think Full Tilt would be looking around at various Poker Forums trying to find out if people are doing things like this and even if they were no where on this site is my name mentioned or my username on Full Tilt.

Well I don't know for sure, I do know they log IPs though so they could catch you that way. I think the bottom line is does it matter if/how they could catch you? Is it not just enough to follow the rules and not try to cheat to gain every edge you can?

Also, especially if you play 10nl, please don't play full tilt, their rake is atrociously high (10% compared with the 5% by most rooms and even full tilt at higher limits). 10nl probably isn't great, but if you can progress upwards, the pokerstars FPP bonuses are probably as good if not better than the full tilt rakeback.

 

[zachvac]

And currently I'm playing at $10NL, so if I move up in stakes the rake would be much higher than what I am paying now. That's why I am so desperate to get rakeback because at higher limits I can be getting hundreds of dollars back.

You're so desperate to do it that you would do something illegal to do it? Just remember when you can't cash out in a few months about your decision, because if you break the terms, they can confiscate all the funds in your account. They do trace IPs and keep logs, so I wouldn't be surprised if they find out that you have 2 accounts and I'm guessing you won't find out about it until you try to withdraw, at which point you'll be pretty much screwed. Similar thing actually happened to a friend, only it was at partypoker before they stopped accepting US players. If the fact that it's stealing isn't enough for you, there are consequences if you get caught.

 

[SeanyJ]

You're so desperate to do it that you would do something illegal to do it? Just remember when you can't cash out in a few months about your decision, because if you break the terms, they can confiscate all the funds in your account. They do trace IPs and keep logs, so I wouldn't be surprised if they find out that you have 2 accounts and I'm guessing you won't find out about it until you try to withdraw, at which point you'll be pretty much screwed. Similar thing actually happened to a friend, only it was at partypoker before they stopped accepting US players. If the fact that it's stealing isn't enough for you, there are consequences if you get caught.

Alright so making another account using my name is a pretty stupid idea, but since they allow people from the same household to have accounts then making an account under my fathers name would make it nearly impossible to get caught would it not?

And in your other post you mentioned that the FPP program is as good or almost as good as the rakeback I would recieve at Full Tilt. I've looked around some other sites and found this chart.

So in order to get rakeback equivalent to what I would get at Full Tilt I would need to get Supernova status and I'm not sure if it is really feasible to get that high even if I was playing $50NL.

 

[zachvac]

You need to average a little over 36k hands/month to reach this, very feasible actually if you're multi-tabling, but even if not, the point is this:

You are proposing to break the law, to steal money that will not be rightfully yours. If the store manager isn't looking, is it still ok to take the candy bar off the shelf? Even if you take a slight hit, my point was that with the FPP program you would be getting some money, and you wouldn't be breaking any laws or stealing money. Also if you use your dad's name the checks will be made out to him, so he'd have to be ok with it.

 

[vanquish]

what stakes are you planning to play that you want rakeback for?
it probably wont make a huge difference, but if you throw me some numbers, i can make some realistic estimations as to how much you'll be getting back (the rakeback calculators are kinda off)

 

[SeanyJ]

Well I don't think either of my parents would mind if the checks were coming in their names, so that isn't much of an issue.

As for your stealing candy in a store metaphor I don't think this situation is anything like that really. There are thousands of people who are getting rakeback from Full Tilt and just because I didn't know about rake back programs when I signed up I simply can't get it now. I've never deposited on the site or played in any real money games, they could easily allow me to delete my account or switch the affiliate I am signed up to without costing them anything.

I've read around some other sites and people have been saying that Full Tilt is looking in to ways for people who missed out on Rakeback to get it and since for the moment I'm only playing micro stakes I'll probably just stick it out at PokerStars for now. I know as I move up in limits I'll be able to take better advantage of the VIP program since they have some pretty nice things in their store and maybe by the time I am playing higher limits Full Tilt will have changed their mind about giving people Rakeback. Thanks for all your input.

 

[kingme620]

You need to average a little over 36k hands/month to reach this, very feasible actually if you're multi-tabling, but even if not, the point is this:

You are proposing to break the law, to steal money that will not be rightfully yours. If the store manager isn't looking, is it still ok to take the candy bar off the shelf? Even if you take a slight hit, my point was that with the FPP program you would be getting some money, and you wouldn't be breaking any laws or stealing money. Also if you use your dad's name the checks will be made out to him, so he'd have to be ok with it.

I know with bodog that when I had two simultaneous accounts they immediately saw it and closed them. But I contacted them and they let me use one and only one since. Since I only play play money on FT and have two accounts (my brothers and mine..oops) do you think asking FT to close one would set things straight? I do want to make a deposit sometime.

 

[SeanyJ]

what stakes are you planning to play that you want rakeback for?
it probably wont make a huge difference, but if you throw me some numbers, i can make some realistic estimations as to how much you'll be getting back (the rakeback calculators are kinda off)

Well right now I'm only playing $10NL but by the end of the month or so I'll be moving up to $25NL and continuing to move up as I build up my BR. So far this month I've played 12,700 hands, I've been playing 9 tables at a time mostly and would probably continue to do so at higher levels.

 

[vanquish]

Well right now I'm only playing $10NL but by the end of the month or so I'll be moving up to $25NL and continuing to move up as I build up my BR. So far this month I've played 12,700 hands, I've been playing 9 tables at a time mostly and would probably continue to do so at higher levels.

if you intend to 9 table 25max fullring, you will see a huge difference with rakeback fwiw

 

[SeanyJ]

if you intend to 9 table 25max fullring, you will see a huge difference with rakeback fwiw

So you think it would probably be a good idea to make another account, probably under one of my parent's names in order to get rakeback?

 

[zachvac]

As for your stealing candy in a store metaphor I don't think this situation is anything like that really. There are thousands of people who are getting rakeback from Full Tilt and just because I didn't know about rake back programs when I signed up I simply can't get it now. I've never deposited on the site or played in any real money games, they could easily allow me to delete my account or switch the affiliate I am signed up to without costing them anything.

They use rakeback to help recruit people to their site. You already know about their site so they have no incentive to offer you rakeback. Giving you rakeback definitely does cost them money, where do you think you'd get the money from?

Basically you feel sorry for yourself and think you're entitled to this money. You are not entitled to it, it's their choice to offer you the rakeback or not and they've decided not to. You have the choice to not play but if you play you agree to their terms which include not doing any of the things you are talking about doing. You agreed to the terms not to do any of this. It's up to you whether you want to do it, but just know it's illegal, you're breaking the rules. You can try to kid yourself all you want, but you are stealing, plain and simple. If this is ok with you, go ahead, you probably won't even get caught, but to lie to yourself about being entitled to something you clearly aren't and stealing to rectify the situation is what it is. If you're going to lie to full tilt and break the agreement, at least don't lie to yourself.

 

[vanquish]

So you think it would probably be a good idea to make another account, probably under one of my parent's names in order to get rakeback?

i would never condone this. i am simply pointing out what kind of difference rakeback makes in your every day game. if you want to take the risk, you make your own decision. i'm just putting the information out there for you.
make your own decisions, i don't want to be responsible for someone multiaccounting.

 

[SeanyJ]

They use rakeback to help recruit people to their site. You already know about their site so they have no incentive to offer you rakeback. Giving you rakeback definitely does cost them money, where do you think you'd get the money from?

They may have recruited me to their site but they aren't going to get me to deposit without getting rakeback and that's how they would get their money, not just from me signing up.

Anyway I appreciate all of your input and I'll need to think about it for a while before I decide what to do.

 

[zachvac]

They may have recruited me to their site but they aren't going to get me to deposit without getting rakeback and that's how they would get their money, not just from me signing up.

Anyway I appreciate all of your input and I'll need to think about it for a while before I decide what to do.

This is my last post on the subject, I think you've read what I have to say on this, it's ultimately your choice. If they're not going to get you to deposit without getting rakeback, and they won't give you rakeback, common sense says you should go to one of the competitors. Say you'll only pay $1 for eggs, the grocery store pays 30 cents for them. They could sell them for you for $1 and still make a profit and cover overhead and such, but if they set the price at $1.10, your choice is pay $1.10 or find them somewhere else. You don't get to force them to sell them to you for less. Sure you both would be happier in this individual circumstance, but the way most markets work in the US is that the seller sets a price and terms and the buyer decides whether or not to buy it. They're offering you poker at x rake without rakeback and you have the option to buy it or not. Or you can try to steal some money by committing fraud. It's your choice, I have no vested interest here, it's really up to you. I've already said all I have to say on this topic.

 

[WVHillbilly]

If you've never deposited (I misunderstood this earlier) contact a rakeback site and see if they can help you. Sometimes it is possible before you make a deposit to switch affiliates (since no one has really made any $$ off of you yet). Beats the multi-accounting alternatives imo.