Tommy Angelo Has a New Book and is Jumping in the Well

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Loved the bit about your wife telling you to charge $200 more for clients who play live with. She seems very clever. What does she do for a living if you don't mind me asking?

I just read your post to her and asked her what she does. She says she is a management consultant who does interim executive stints in software companies especially ones with a sustainability angle. I think you can translate that using Google somehow.
 
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Google translate came up with "I live in the real world so shut your face!"
 
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I just read your post to her and asked her what she does. She says she is a management consultant who does interim executive stints in software companies especially ones with a sustainability angle. I think you can translate that using Google somehow.

Hmmmm...sounds like she doesn't want either of us to know.
 
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In one of the stories in A Rubber Band Story you talk about moving to CA to take your shot with a $100K bankroll that included $20K in potential CC advances and $10K that you thought your brother would lend you! If you told my father that he'd probably tell you that using a CC or borrowed money to fund your poker game sounds like a damned fool thing to do. So how far would you have really been willing to go if things had gone bad at the start?
 
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So how far would you have really been willing to go if things had gone bad at the start?

I played for a living for a long time and along the way there were several times I nearly hit bottom before pulling out. The deepest I went in CC debt was 30K. Never had to borrow from my brother though!

If you told my father that he'd probably tell you that using a CC or borrowed money to fund your poker game sounds like a damned fool thing to do.

I wonder if he would say the same thing about someone who borrows money to fund their business.
 
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Your new book arrived several days ago and I'm savoring each page. Though generally a fast reader, I want to make this one last. Your writing seems effortless and flows so smoothly, which I know takes an extraordinary amount of skill. Kudos!.

I also received my second copy of Elements of Poker. Word to the wise: if you lend one of Tommy's books to someone, don't expect it to be returned. :)

Randomly...

After reading A Rubber Band Story I said outloud, "Tommy, you need to write a Poker novel!" So...any plans along those lines? The field is wide open. I have about 40 books in the genre and as far as quality goes, I have a feeling yours would be right up there among the best.

I suppose it's no accident that the acrononym for your publishing pursuits is the Tao. Very apt; wp.

When I heard you were jumping in the well I got so excited and told my guy Mike about it. While he loves poker, he's not much of a reader or a forum person. After I said your name he, being a first-gen ItalianAmerican, had only one question, "This Tommy, he paisan?" So--are you?!

All for now--I know I'll be back with more. Great to have you here!
 
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Welcome to CC!

Just wanted to see if you had the same impression I did. I just got back from my first visit (non-playing) to the wsop. When I walked into the pavilion room, I was astounded at how quiet it was. All you could hear was chips riffling.

Was it that quiet in years past? Or, do you sense an increased seriousness around the game(s) this year?

Do you think the ESPN final table looks like something straight out of Full Tilt?

Where do you like to stay in Vegas when at WSOP?

Are you playing any other events this year?
 
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Thank you Marlow for all the kind words.

After reading A Rubber Band Story I said outloud, "Tommy, you need to write a Poker novel!" So...any plans along those lines?
No plans to, though it could happen. I was thinking screenplay instead. I hardly read novels. But I watch a lot of movies. :)

When I heard you were jumping in the well I got so excited and told my guy Mike about it. While he loves poker, he's not much of a reader or a forum person. After I said your name he, being a first-gen ItalianAmerican, had only one question, "This Tommy, he paisan?" So--are you?!
Oh my yes. Deeply rooted. Show your guy Mike this. It's a stanza I wrote to a parody of the Hallelujah song that will be sung by the hoards at our reunion next week.

It’s Tuesday night
Young versus old
Just one more point
For all the gold

I probe your mind to find a way to fool ya

We fling our fists
And both throw 3
You yell Ching Way
I shout SAY-EEEE
The young walk in shame while the old sing Hallelujah
 
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Welcome to CC!

Thank you!

Just wanted to see if you had the same impression I did. I just got back from my first visit (non-playing) to the WSOP. When I walked into the pavilion room, I was astounded at how quiet it was. All you could hear was chips riffling.

Was it that quiet in years past?
By my recollection yes. The ceiling is very high and there are many big things hanging from it that break up the sound. And there's carpet, and clothing. It's a muffled place.

Or, do you sense an increased seriousness around the game(s) this year?
I didn't feel any change in that regard, if you're talking about Black Friday's influence. But I'm not tuned into that so much.

Do you think the ESPN final table looks like something straight out of Full Tilt?
I was thinking Klingon High Council on shrooms. :)

Where do you like to stay in Vegas when at WSOP?
Wherever the events are being held.

Are you playing any other events this year?
The word "other" reveals a miscommunication. I have never played a WSOP event.
 
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Welcome Tommy

Hi. I bought elements of poker as an ebook for my ipad and I read it on a 23 hr bus ride while backpacking through china. Great stuff. Your approach has helped me both in poker and life. I also enjoyed your appearances on Bart hanson's podcast. Did you ever have a problem with spewing chips(trying to move people off hands, barreling too much, etc)? How did you solve this?/Why not?
Thanks for coming to CardsChat.
 
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back in a week

Dear everyone,

I'm going on holiday for a week and I'll be offline. I will read this thread and get caught up when I get back. Bye!

Tommy


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Thanks - we will have more questions for you when you return!!
 
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Enjoy your vacation.

What are your thoughts on leaving a table shortly after winning a big pot? (live in a casino)
 
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Enjoy your vacation.

What are your thoughts on leaving a table shortly after winning a big pot? (live in a casino)

As to others doing it, it doesn't bother me.

As to me doing it, I've done it many times for lots of different reasons. I did it recently in Vegas when I happened to win a big pot during what I knew was going to be my last round. And during my grinding years, there were plenty of times when I was playing in a NL game that was over my head at the time when all I was hoping to do was double up and get the heck out of there, and did. I'm totally shameless on that kind of thing, which is probably why it never upsets me when someone else quits, for whatever reason. Judging other people's ever-shifting priority structures is an enormous waste of mental energy imo.
 
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Judging other people's ever-shifting priority structures is an enormous waste of mental energy...

Whoa. Eminently applicable not only to specific situations in poker, but life is well. Words to live by. Thanks so much for this, Tommy.
 
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Met Tommy yesterday - he is very nice and it was great to have a chat with him. He is still up to answering more questions so feel free to ask him anything! This is a great opportunity so take advantage of it!
 
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Hey Tommy,
In Leatherass's book, he talks about how when you're treating your poker like a business, you can't let the mindset of you not wanting to play today halter your playing because if it is your business, you need to go whether you feel like it or not. This is one point that I don't really agree with and I was wondering what your input would be on a situation like this or what you would do when grinding away for your living. Play on for your set amount of time everyday even though you don't feel like playing right now, or play only when you feel like you're going to be able to have your head in the game to make the best decisions?

I realize this doesn't have much to do with your book, but I still feel like it is somewhat your area of expertise. Thanks
 
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Hey tommy,
Do u have any tips to keep yourself from getting too spewy? I think it's mainly due to lack of patience and/or trying to win every pot.
Also, I heard the latest podcast from Bart Hanson, and I wanna thank you for coming on the show all those times. I really enjoyed your input.
 
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You just have to start 6-betting lighter.

Lol! Great advice!

Hey tommy,
Do u have any tips to keep yourself from getting too spewy?
You might as well have asked "What is the meaning of life?"

I think of "getting too spewy" as the crux of the game. It's the only thing that separates me from players who are equally skilled at betting. Controlling my own spewyness, and exploiting the spews of others, combined with some decent poker talent, is how I made my living.

These days when I play, my self-awareness remains at a fairly high level, which means that when the spewy demons show up, I can see them coming and usually keep them from doing damage. My main action to resettle myself and my game when I've done a little spewage is simply to tighten up fast and hard, right away. Sometimes right in the middle of the same hand that started with some spewage. It's like snapping out of a dream almost. I've been through that little cycle thousands of times so now I just know the drill. But it always takes a spark of awareness. I have to know I have spewed, or might spew, before I can flip my little switch that shuts it off cold.

I think it's mainly due to lack of patience and/or trying to win every pot.
That's a huge part of getting to the bottom of it and developing your own in-game correction methods. Find out the causes. In your case because you know two of them, you could start thinking of learning patience as a new hobby. Patience everywhere. Patience in line. Patience in between poker hands. And trying to win every pot. Let them go. Let them go. Let them go. Know before you sit down that you will lose lots of pots, million of pots over your career. It's your life, losing pots. If you can ever really accept that and actually be happy with it, it will cut down on some spewage.

Tommy
 
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Hey Tommy,
In Leatherass's book, he talks about how when you're treating your poker like a business, you can't let the mindset of you not wanting to play today halter your playing because if it is your business, you need to go whether you feel like it or not. This is one point that I don't really agree with and I was wondering what your input would be on a situation like this or what you would do when grinding away for your living. Play on for your set amount of time everyday even though you don't feel like playing right now, or play only when you feel like you're going to be able to have your head in the game to make the best decisions?
While playing poker as a job -- which I did for 20 years -- it occured to me that I might have the only job where showing up to work not feeling good could make you go broke.

I realize this doesn't have much to do with your book, but I still feel like it is somewhat your area of expertise. Thanks
It so happens that there is a piece in my new book (A Rubber Band Story and Other Poker Tales) about this very thing. It's called Kay Knows Poker. I'll copy it below. The pertinent part is under the heading "Kay on Readiness."



Kay Knows Poker


When Kay and I met in 2001, it was like one of those no-limit hands where both players get all in so fast you can hardly tell who bet and who called. One year later we were commingling like crazy, and then last year, in 2005, we married.

Kay did not pass through the poker universe on her way to me. She does not play poker and she never has. Me? I play poker, I think poker, and I write poker. The rest of the time, I’m with Kay. That’s when I talk poker. She calls it my “blur blur.”

Not only does Kay listen to my blur blur, she gets it, and then she bounces it back at me, simplified, clarified, as only a non-player could. Her choicest words become memes, if I can catch them with my pen.

In addition to all the blur blur, Kay has been exposed to years of what she calls “shouting.” That’s when I am on the phone with a poker player, engaged in full-lingo hand analyses. Of course I do not think I am shouting. I think I am merely speaking with enthusiasm. When I hang up, if she says, “Who were you shouting at today?” we both chuckle, and I realize maybe I got a little loud.

Between the blur blur and the shouting, Kay has learned so much about poker that she can fill in for me now. This one time my buddy Alex took a supremely huge bad beat at the worst possible time in the worst possible game against the worst possible player and it was just ugly. So ugly that he called me to tell me about it. Kay answered the phone.

“Hi Kay, it’s Alex. Tommy home?”

“No. He’s out.”

Alex sighed. “Man. You would not believe what just happened. I had pocket aces and this guy who had been killing me all night called three cold and...”
It did not matter to either of them that the strategy points of the hand would be lost on Kay. Alex went ahead and detailed every bloody blow of his bad beat story, as if he were talking to me. Kay stepped in and played my role flawlessly by making sympathetic sounds at the appropriate times.

Kay does not look like Howard Cosell. But she resembles him in other ways. Kay is a poker expert in the same way that Howard Cosell was a boxing expert. Howard knew the game, he knew the business, he knew the language, and he knew the people. But he didn’t box. He lived inside the arena, but outside the ropes. And that’s where Kay lives, in relation to poker, by living with me.

Kay On Readiness

I was about to go play poker at a local casino. I hadn’t slept all that well but I had showered and walked and I had convinced myself that I was good to go. I was at the door, saying goodbye to Kay, when this big yawn opened up on my face.

Kay said, “Are you sure you want to go play right now?”

And I’m like, “Yes.”

And she said, “Well, of course you know if you are ready or not. I’m just saying, it’s never wrong to not play.”

::: It’s never wrong to not play. :::
::: It’s never wrong to not play. :::

I let those words melt over me for a second. Then I walked to my desk and wrote them down, and stayed home.

Kay on Poker, Life, and Everything

It was Saturday morning. Kay came home full of glee and she said, “I gave some poker advice today!”

I knew where she had been, at the KQED pledge drive, volunteering, answering phones. I couldn’t help but wonder what advice she had given, and how the opportunity had come up to give it. “Thank you for donating to public radio,” I could hear her say. “And while I have you on the phone, I was wondering if I might be so bold as to suggest that you put a little more thought into your game selection.”

“Well c’mon,” I said. “Let’s hear it!”

“In between phone calls,” she said, “I was chit-chatting with the other workers. They were mostly men. We were talking about what our spouses do for a living. I told them that my husband is a professional poker player and as usual, there were questions.

“One man said, ‘I bet you’re a pretty good poker player yourself. Can you give us some pointers?’

“When I told him that I don’t play poker, he said, ‘Surely there must be something about poker that you’ve picked up from living with a pro. Isn’t there any advice you can give us?’

“By now there were ten people craning in on our little chat. I had the floor. And I had to think of something wise and valuable to tell these people. Then out came my answer.

“‘Play fewer hands,’ I said.”

Then Kay looked at me. “Right?”

She was asking me if I thought she had given good advice. She had taken all the grandest truths of the ages and filtered them down and packaged them up into three perfect words. And she wanted to know how I felt about it.

I reached for a pen, and she knew.
 
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::: It’s never wrong to not play. :::
::: It’s never wrong to not play. :::
I figured you would answer like that, and I agree with that 100%, it just seems like some of the turbo grinders out there feel like they are absolutely obligated to grind for 16 hours a day and not miss a single one for whatever their reason may be, but there are flat out going to be days where you don't feel like playing, don't feel good, or are just plain tired, and I can never really see any of those times being positive times to play.
 
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::: It’s never wrong to not play. :::
::: It’s never wrong to not play. :::


Or, as my Grandfather once told me about gambling: "If you want to double your money, fold it in half and stick it in your pocket."

Great stuff Tommy. My BW has very similar skills. Drives me nuts sometimes, but can be the most valuable thing in the world when I need it most.
 
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Thanks for taking the time to write a great response. One more question, I know you enjoy walking and think it helps your poker game. I used to lift weights regularly, but then became fixated on poker and I have let that fall to the wayside. I want to become more active again because while i am not overweight at all, im not in shape, and dont feel as good as i used to. Do you think walking, working out and/or playing sports regularly are all equally helpful? Or do you think solitary activities like walking, running, and or weightlifting are superior because you have more time alone with your thoughts? Thanks again Tommy.
 
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