Tips on how to sell my poker art?

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You should also know that all poker personalities own the rights to how their image is used. The only way you can sidestep that issue is to only make one off paintings using physical mediums. Any prints sold of their likeness could lead to litigation. You have to contact their agents and get permission through proper channels. The only exception is fanart which isn't sold.

I figured I had best point that out b4 you get cracking on those masterpieces of Doyle and various assorted Phils.
 
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OWhat I will do is tell you that if you don't want vultures making money off of your art then you'd best remove it from the internet and add a more obnoxious watermark. Theives can and will crop out your subtle logo and put this stuff on everything from t-shirts to coffee mugs without a moment's hesitation.

Even fairly intrusive watermarks aren't unstoppable. You get some of the people out there that are great with PhotoShop, and a watermark isn't going to stop them from redistributing something. It takes nothing to just remove a standard watermark, unless you go with one that has a blur-type effect on half of the picture as well as your watermark wording.
 
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Even fairly intrusive watermarks aren't unstoppable. You get some of the people out there that are great with PhotoShop, and a watermark isn't going to stop them from redistributing something. It takes nothing to just remove a standard watermark, unless you go with one that has a blur-type effect on half of the picture as well as your watermark wording.

Actually I was thinking seriously obnoxious watermarking. Of course this could just be the art-forum girl in me. Every week or so somebody's having a heart attack over tubers and other assorted thieves. I could well be overreacting. It's just look at the size of the pics posted, easily printed onto shirts, coasters, and mousepads.

Hey, looks like I'm helping with sales ideas anyway.
 
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Absolutely, positively gorgeous! Great work and best of luck to you! :)
 
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Actually I was thinking seriously obnoxious watermarking. Of course this could just be the art-forum girl in me. Every week or so somebody's having a heart attack over tubers and other assorted thieves. I could well be overreacting. It's just look at the size of the pics posted, easily printed onto shirts, coasters, and mousepads.

Hey, looks like I'm helping with sales ideas anyway.

I get what you are saying, with the resolutions given, it wouldn't take much to steal it and use as your own. At least if it was given as a thumbnail then you can't really enlarge it and have it still be good quality.
 
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just want to say

Not sure if it has been posted yet,, some of the card rooms I've seen have lobbies for players who are waiting for a seat at a table. Maybe the card rooms would think it be a good investment to cover some blank spots on their walls.
Needless to say you do "GREAT" work. Good luck, I have no doubt you will find an outlet for your work.

Take care
 
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Okay now I'm wondering if he was ever trying to make it in poker. Come on, it feels like a bluff. Checked out his site and it feels like he's always been trying to make it as an artist.

He just showed up out of nowhere, very spammish. Cleverly so, but he's still at only a couple of posts. I get the feeling he saw this forum and probably a slew of others as opportunity to advertise his art.

Apart from the fact that the queens are found in a standard pack of playing cards - where's the freakin' poker??? There's no poker aesthetic and no gambler's aesthetic present. No commentary on the game at all. Remember "Dogs Playing Poker"? Well the artist painted several paintings of dogs playing poker. They were all about the situations, and mindset of the game. There's no poker in these lithos.

Also, are you people blind? The draping on the Queen of Clubs is making her thigh look deformed + the umbrella's modern though she's portrayed in a vintage style. Don't get me started on the Queen of Hearts. I can't see how these would make it past the art director for a book or magazine(such as Heavy Metal, which is geared towards fantasy and erotic art).

My BS-Alarm's going off. Sneaking suspicion? We've been had.
 
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Okay now I'm wondering if he was ever trying to make it in poker. Come on, it feels like a bluff. Checked out his site and it feels like he's always been trying to make it as an artist.

He just showed up out of nowhere, very spammish. Cleverly so, but he's still at only a couple of posts. I get the feeling he saw this forum and probably a slew of others as opportunity to advertise his art.

Apart from the fact that the queens are found in a standard pack of playing cards - where's the freakin' poker??? There's no poker aesthetic and no gambler's aesthetic present. No commentary on the game at all. Remember "Dogs Playing Poker"? Well the artist painted several paintings of dogs playing poker. They were all about the the situations, and mindset of the game. There's no poker in these lithos.

Also, are you people blind? The draping on the Queen of Clubs is making her thigh look deformed + the umbrella's modern though she's portrayed in a vintage style. Don't get me started on the Queen of Hearts. I can't see how these would make it past the art director for a book or magazine(such as Heavy Metal, which is geared towards fantasy and erotic art).

My BS-Alarm's going off. Sneaking suspicion? We've been had.

Holy mackeral! So what, this guy took a little opportunity and sought out an interested audience - can't we all use a little help once in awhile? I certainly don't think anyone has 'been had' here. This guy made no pretenses whatsoever about the nature of his interest: "Tips on how to sell my poker art". He never said he was trying to become a poker pro, and really, it's of no consequence if he's never played at all. He did not mean for this to be a thread about a failed poker career. What is he bluffing about? :confused:

For the record, this is a queen of spades, not clubs. Her leg does not look deformed to me, nor does this look like a Totes compact, automatic, push button umbrella. I don't even know how his work looks 'digitized', aside from how any 'real' work might look on a computer screen. Duh. And how can you compare these works with 'dogs playing poker'? Are you joking? And where is it written that 'art' is defined in terms of trying to portray "the situations, and mindset of the game"?

This poor guy comes here, honest about his intentions, presents some beautiful artwork (gauging by the replies - and although not technically 'poker', they are cards which we do play poker with), asking for a little advice. And you berate him and his artwork. He never asked about getting published and magazines, but thanks for the heads up, art director. You said you weren't gonna rip him to shreds, then you do just that.

I'm proud of this community that freely offerred up ideas about casinos, online retail poker paraphenia, poker room sites, galleries, Ebay, opt-in mailing lists, etc. - or even just accolades, support, and encouragement - no accusations of spam. But these were ideas that savvier or more active players than himself can come up with. Was glad to see that all the other responses were not so heartless and mean-spirited.
 
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N.D. I can see what you are talking about with the possible spamming, but the way that he did it(intentionally or not) was not in a bad way. Like DiveBitch was saying, he was asking about the best avenue to sell his art, not saying "Go to my site and buy this!!!". In fact, instead of the little watermark on the painting, there is no reference to his website anywhere in his posts, that is why I wouldn't call it spam. Sure, the only real posts that he has don't really have anything to do with poker per see, but they are still better posts than about 75% of the posts of other new users with <25 posts, IMO...
 
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Like DiveBitch was saying, he was asking about the best avenue to sell his art, not saying "Go to my site and buy this!!!". In fact, instead of the little watermark on the painting, there is no reference to his website anywhere in his posts, that is why I wouldn't call it spam. Sure, the only real posts that he has don't really have anything to do with poker per see, but they are still better posts than about 75% of the posts of other new users with <25 posts, IMO...

In all fairness, a mod removed a link from his initial thread. But still, I agree he was not here for that, nor to generate interest to purchase. Seemed like he was just seeking advice, and showing a sample of his wares to help us help him. And it's just plain wrong to suggest he posted this at a 'slew' of other sites, with no proof. Even if he did, so what.

BTW, a belated Happy Birthday!!! :birthday: :birthday: :birthday: :birthday: Hope it was a fun one!
 
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I would definitely try ebay. That's gonna be your best bet. People always look for novelty pieces like that. Hell, you might even want to go to a local casino and see if they'll simply display it in their shop.
 
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Haha, thanks Dive, it was a fun one, went out for a huge prime rib and had a great night afterwards :beer:.

I just now saw that dakota removed the link, didn't see it previously, but still, like you said, he never asked for people to go buy, just asked what would be the best options for him.
 
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Now I understand. I suspect your monitor's calibration is off. That's neither here nor there for browsing the web and other general uses, however, when it comes to art, it's a big deal. Check here http://epaperpress.com/monitorcal/ is it off?

My monitor's properly calibrated and so I can see where a large patch of black is causing a recess/concave area on her thigh. I'm positive it's an issue with draping. I'm sure he drew her thigh correctly, but when it came to draping it got away from him. That concave area looks like a deep dent, a deformity.

The red queen's having technical difficulties as well. The foreshortening appears to be off while the draping will mean an uneven hem, should she ever decide to stand. Unfortunately it's improper for sitting position as well, which means her knees somehow begin at her waist. The back of her skull appears to be missing as well.

It looks digital. I didn't say digital's bad. I simply said the paintings look digital. They look it because the outlines are all consistently thick while the linework inside the outlines is consistently thin. Real pens and brushes don't work that way. The lines undulate with pressure. Honestly, the only time I've ever seen such even lines has been when the art in question is digital and the artist used a mouse.

Hey if I feel like it's spam, I feel like it's spam. One needn't ask you to purchase something for a post or email to be classified as spam. When someone linked to their backgammon site, their thread was removed because it wasn't about poker. Think about it, backgammon has a lot in common with poker, and since Gus Hansen started out with backgammon it stands to reason some poker players might be interested in backgammon. But because backgammon is not poker, the thread and link were removed.

Do you really think an artist wouldn't know about galleries? Do you really think there are starving people in of all places, sweden? And reallly, if an artist is painting cards in the first place, can you honestly tell me that they'd be dense enough to not give a card manufacturer a second thought?

Honestly, I can't fathom why the word spam wouldn't cross your mind. More eyes on his site and more eyes on his art, with the possibility of people wanting to buy a litho. Sorry, that sounds like a heaping helping of spam to me, but hey if Monty Python's Flying Circus is any indication, vikings love spam. Oh wait, it's not, and someone will now call me a racist because everybody knows Swedish is a race and not a nationality. No wait, Swedish is a nationality and not a race. But yep, I'll get called a racist. Maybe not, so long as I remember to "Always be kind to an Arab".

I might sound mean to you. But guess what. I'm not mean. Mean would be saying everything looks fine when it doesn't. If the art's digital the mistakes I noticed are easily fixed. It really does look digital. Also, and this is part of it as well. The handle and tip of the umbrella are decidedly modern. And that's not in keeping with the vintage feel. If you're going for a vintage or even historical look, placing something modern within the image is jarring. By simply changing the handle and tip, it will fit better.

Oh and I suspect he's posted on a slew of other sites because that's what artists do. Once they decide to sell their work, they then proceed to promote the hell out of themselves. That's as it should be and as it has been for quite some time.

Oh and if details don't matter, then from this day forward, nobody is allowed to speak of Phil Hellmuth's mole. Furthermore, nobody can point out mistakes in hands played. No more pointing out glaring typos or math mistakes either.

Dang, now that we're not allowed to talk about details the forums are gonna get mighty dull.
 
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A quick google search of artofdaniel and forums confirmed my suspicions.

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Thanks for joining ART OF DANIEL. It's definitely spam imo.
He joined multiple forums on the same day and posted the same exact info word for word, only to have no posts thereafter.
BTW, a true artist wouldn't plaster their mediocre website on their art to sell expensive prints, not to mention he/she had already signed the work in the first place.
 
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You should get yourself a homepage with an online-portfolio.
Show off your stuff a bit, and link to places where people can buy them.
Do you know http://www.deviantart.com?
They also have an option for users to sell their art.
 
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When someone linked to their backgammon site, their thread was removed because it wasn't about poker.

But because backgammon is not poker, the thread and link were removed.
You can rant and rave about him and his intentions and digital work, etc all you like as long as you don't turn into a troll. You can claim to be any type of art expert you like, I don't care. But don't ever try to speak on behalf of the moderating team or as to why we do or don't do something just so you can try to make a point. You have no inside knowledge about our actions or about the guidelines we've established over the years as to how things are dealt with. And to claim something was deleted simply because it wasn't about poker is just blatantly wrong. And for someone that's been a member for 1 1/2 years now, you should know that by now.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled art quality discussion/argument.
 
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Now I understand. I suspect your monitor's calibration is off. That's neither here nor there for browsing the web and other general uses, however, when it comes to art, it's a big deal. Check here http://epaperpress.com/monitorcal/ is it off?


Hey if I feel like it's spam, I feel like it's spam.

Do you really think an artist wouldn't know about galleries? Do you really think there are starving people in of all places, Sweden? And reallly, if an artist is painting cards in the first place, can you honestly tell me that they'd be dense enough to not give a card manufacturer a second thought?

Honestly, I can't fathom why the word spam wouldn't cross your mind.

Yes, my monitor was not calibrated on black end only, which plays into your 'Q of spades' stuff I guess. Also guess you would not agree that beauty, as is art, is in the eye of the beholder. I can even see what you're saying about 'the Q of H at the knees', but not really if you look at the right side. Nor can I see how the back of the Q's head was cut off'. But then again, if someone appreciates the art for what it is, isn't that legitimate eough? You previously mentioned your 'dogs playing poker'. If it weren't for the stuff you say you like about its 'poker message' or whatever, the artwork itself is nothing to write home about.

And whether he knew about these other sites or avenues or not, I still think a 1-time post is no big deal, even if it was self-serving. Had he posted it more than once, another story maybe. But he sounded extremely appreciative of any advice at all. You don't want to read it, let it go. No harm, no foul. So yeah, you're entitled to think it's spam, by your own definition, but I still think it's mean-spirited. If he generated an interest here in a handful of lithos, good god, let him get away with it. He slaved away on creating these, didn't steal them.
 
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My apologies to the moderators.
 
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He hasn't been slaving. Not if he's the professional he claims to be. His skin isn't tissue thin. Not if he's the professional he claims to be.

Onto a bit of fun. Sweden's the new promised land! The income's better. It doesn't look better at a glance, but the cost of living is lower, the education system is superior, and the healthcare system kicks serious booty!

Sweden's my new promised land. It's virtually impossible to starve there, and if you get sick you only pay a tiny bit similar to copayments and you pay just a little for prescriptions too! The government subsidizes everything. Whoa baby. The scenery's nice, the food's tasty(save for pickled herring, I'm not a big fan and it's not exclusive to Sweden), and the pop music's awesome. Plus they have great metal bands, all the best metal acts hail from Scandinavia, and the remaining lot look like they do due to the superfluous use of umlauts.

You can rent a furnished two bedroom flat in Stockholm for around $180 a month. It's got everything. Okay so it's meant as a guest house, but that's still hella cheap. I saw somewhere that the average student can live pretty well on around $900 a month total. That included stuff like student union fees.

Now. How am I gonna get my butt to Sweden? Okay first of all, I have to be nice and not make any jokes based on Monty Python sketches and bikini teams. Remember my p's and q's.

Oh it's worth it. Ah to be in Sweden(during the non-dark months of course). Nevermind the scenery(which is awesome), Swedish guys are hot. The OP's even pretty good looking. Note to self-avoid Swedes named Daniel for the sake of personal safety.

Sorry, I got a litttle happy at the imaginary prospect of moving to Sweden. Won't happen again.
 
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He hasn't been slaving. Not if he's the professional he claims to be. His skin isn't tissue thin. Not if he's the professional he claims to be.

Onto a bit of fun. Sweden's the new promised land! The income's better. It doesn't look better at a glance, but the cost of living is lower, the education system is superior, and the healthcare system kicks serious booty!

Sweden's my new promised land. It's virtually impossible to starve there, and if you get sick you only pay a tiny bit similar to copayments and you pay just a little for prescriptions too! The government subsidizes everything. Whoa baby. The scenery's nice, the food's tasty(save for pickled herring, I'm not a big fan and it's not exclusive to Sweden), and the pop music's awesome. Plus they have great metal bands, all the best metal acts hail from Scandinavia, and the remaining lot look like they do due to the superfluous use of umlauts.

You can rent a furnished two bedroom flat in Stockholm for around $180 a month. It's got everything. Okay so it's meant as a guest house, but that's still hella cheap. I saw somewhere that the average student can live pretty well on around $900 a month total. That included stuff like student union fees.

Now. How am I gonna get my butt to Sweden? Okay first of all, I have to be nice and not make any jokes based on Monty Python sketches and bikini teams. Remember my p's and q's.

Oh it's worth it. Ah to be in Sweden(during the non-dark months of course). Nevermind the scenery(which is awesome), Swedish guys are hot. The OP's even pretty good looking. Note to self-avoid Swedes named Daniel for the sake of personal safety.

Sorry, I got a litttle happy at the imaginary prospect of moving to Sweden. Won't happen again.


I dont know where you are getting the idea that Sweden is cheap.. non of those Scandinavian countries are cheap to live in. Maybe student accommodation is subsidized and living grants are available.. but they wont be available for foreigners.
 
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looks decent pretty
 
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I'm somewhat of an artist myself. Been drawing for years, I've tinkered with photoshop from time to time. Anywho, what about using some of your artwork for t-shirts and hats? I'm not sure if poker art would be gallery-type work. Theres probally not a big demand for it in that format, but I could imagine some very cool t-shirts with your type of artwork.
Very nice btw.
 
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I dont know where you are getting the idea that Sweden is cheap.. non of those Scandinavian countries are cheap to live in. Maybe student accommodation is subsidized and living grants are available.. but they wont be available for foreigners.

Actually was a bit of snark and silliness from yours truly.

I'm meaning cheap as in money coming in vs. money going out. The average net salary more than covers the average cost of living, even in it's most well known major city. Therefore, yes it is relatively cheap to live in Sweden. Conversely it's relatively expensive to live in a major city in the US, or a number of other countries. It's arguable that it's more expensive still to live in a third world country as one of it's citizens as frequently the salaries don't come close to covering the cost of living even in places where actual items are so cheap in relation to their price in say the US.

Take norway as another example. The cost of living looks drastically high, but the income causes things to even out.

I couldn't help getting snarky. The more I think of people starving in Sweden the more I laugh. If you really want to help someone who's starving, look to the third world. There are plenty of people there who are truly in need.
 
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Holy baby jebus! That ND seems absolutely rabid. I won't even get into replying to her frenzy. Yet I'm sure she'll go on after this. Jeez... it makes me tired just to read it.

I am a poker player and have been playing online poker for about four years. The last two years half-time. But not very successfully though.
I've been having art art as a hobby for all my life but it's just recently I've decided to pursue it more.

I found that poker-art was something that seems to be lacking so I did my best to come up with these paintings.
Personally I'd rather have ladies on my walls than dogs, but that's up to everyone's own taste.

Each painting has taken over 1.5 months of full-time work, which is ridiculously long. But I'm learning as I go along.

I'm appreciative of all (friendly) advice I have been given.

Most of all... it's heartwarming to see DiveBitch and the others who've been sticking up for me.
Thanks guys, that keeps me going! :)
 
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