Survive this month with $10 left, please help make a decision

[mrmonkey]

It seems like you have a good understanding of brm, you just don't follow it. Start following more of a strict BRM plan and you will be in a much better place.

Also, no GO CUBS.... I in fact hate the Cubs and am a fan of the Real Chicago baseball team . The avatar is of a goat screwing a cub(because of the whole curse of the goat). As far as the 2010 season, I see it as no different as any other for Cub fans for the last 100 years as they have all been disappointments, lol

Ah, so that's what that was in your avatar... I thought it was an elephant on the bear cub's back... like shake that monkey/elephant off your back.

Well, if you are a Sox fan than I'm gonna hafta say GFY! haha, I'm just kidding around -- I like the healthy rivalry between the Cubs and Sox. I always look forward to good baseball during the interleague games between the two -- and previously the Windy City Classic. I'll admit, I was more than a little jealous when the south side finally got their world series in '05. I was also a fan of Tadahito Iguchi -- he played for the Japanese team I root for before he went to the MLB.

In regards to BRM -- yeah, it's just that it's basically impossible to follow strict BRM on just a few bucks from freeroll winnings. This is why I think building up at least $50 from freerolls before putting any at risk is so vital. I've come to realize that playing poker with anything less than proper BRM calls for is equivalent to gambling... no matter how good you play. When following good BRM, a good poker player becomes like a casino and not so much a casino patron -- you, like the house, have an edge and enough of a buffer to allow the edge to manifest.

 

[Daniel72]

Play freerolls and some 0.10 cent games (tourneys / sng´s), i have played hundreds of freerolls and now i am a proud owner of a $95 (freeroll) bankroll. You can do it !

 

[arkyten]

Play ten $1.10 SNGs (1 table). You say you're a mediocre player, so use the Kill Phil approach. All-in with AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 10-10 early and when you're down to around 9-15 big blinds, go all-in withany two paints or even suited connectors if you are first to enter the pot. One table SNG's pay 3 places. I think you will at least break even.

 

[Pokertron3000]

Daily dollar 9 man 30c sats top two get entry to daily $ the you unreg and take the T$ and build up that way.

 

[absoluthamm]

If you are a losing player there is no such thing as proper bankroll management. Proper Bankroll management is to keep a winning player afloat during unlucky runs. A losing player will continue to lose it. If you are a losing player your goal should be to get the maximum amount of enjoyment out of that $10. Your bankroll is not a way of making money, but more like buying a ticket to ride a roller coaster. It is worth the price, not because you expect to win money, but because you expect to have a fun time. That being said, just do what you want to do with the money. If the Daily Dollar is fun, do that. If you like ring game, play them. Enjoy yourself.

I half agree with you SP. Proper BRM is definitely something that a winning plkayer needs to utilize so they don't go busto during those unlucky runs, but a losing player should also be utilizing it was well to learn the basics. It keeps people at the level that they should be regarding their ability and comfort level. I know when I first started playing online I was playing whatever games I could buy into, and I was losing a little, but once I started applying good BRM, I became more confident that I wasn't going to go busto and that is where my winning started. Now believe me, i love when people who are plaing outside of their means come to my table and buy in for like $7.37 and you can tell they have their entire roll on the line. The problem with a lot of new, bad players is that they don't want to follow proper BRM because it isn't the fun thing to do. He has $10, so technically, there is nothing he can do that would follow anything resembling a proper BRM unless he's playing .10c tourneys and who the hell wants to only play those?

Here is the update progress of my $10

Yesterday I start my day with Daily Dollar and lost far before ITM, then I enter $3.00+$0.30 Knockout 90 man SnG and surprisingly I did well and manage to the final table and finished at 5th collected around $24 plus 3x$0.50 for knocking 3 peoples.

Then I said in my heart "okay that's it for today, I should stop while on the top" skip skip but I can't do that, I play 10NL cash game with max buy in (not short stack ) play only premium hands.

After lot of hands fold, I got AK suited, raised to 3x BB, all fold except 1 person. Flop K K 9, I bet then villain push all in, and I analyse first, no flush draw, all good then I call, guess what is the river? 7 Q

... And villain hold KQ. Blah, lose my hard earned $10 from MTT!!!

Now as far as you taking any advice in here has gone, I've given up on you. You're obviously a recreational player that doesn't mind going broke and you're just looking for a thrill. Look at what advice you were given:

• Leave current BR alone and only play freerolls until you get $50
• Just play with play money until you build up enough for some freeroll
• Play 2NL until you build up a roll
• Play the .10c tourneys
• Play only the Daily Dollar

But then you play the $3.30 with only $9 in your account. I don't care that you cashed anything in it, that was stupid mistake #1 if you're wanting to "resist to deposit more". Then you take your ~$32 to a 10NL table...that's just genius let me tell you. You actually got lucky making a dumb move in cashing in the tournament and then you go ahead and make the same bonehead move and put 30% of your bankroll on the table again. You would have been actually been rolled more well for 2NL with the 16Buyins you'd have with $32, but now you're back down to only 11 buyins, and I suspect that by the end of this week, your entire roll is going to be gone because you don't listen to good advice.

 

[DetroitJimmy]

Daily dollar 9 man 30c sats top two get entry to daily $ the you unreg and take the T$ and build up that way.

Whenever my account was below $10 this is exactly what I have done. If you are even an OK player, you should pwn these.

 

[kmixer]

I think this is your best option. I realize that MTT and cash games are very different, but personally I prefer MTT. I feel like I get way more hands per dollar. If you play the 10 cent tourney, you could play every day for an entire month and still have $7 left (this is assuming you win nothing the entire time!). In one tournament you may get 4 or 5 hours worth of play off of your .10.

As far as tables, if you try and sit at the tables for 4 or 5 hours, you may have lost all $10 at that point.

The play chips are a good idea, however to get to 500K would take a very significant amount of time, and in my experience, it's just too painful because they are PLAY chips and most of the time it's just a shovefest because they can reload their cihps every 5 minutes.


Good luck to you. I look forward to hearing about your progress!

As far as playing and killing time is concerned this is a great idea. If you want to just play and kill time be sure to play in the $150 freerolls too.

When i was wondering what to do with 8 bucks a few people suggested the 25+5c to the Daily Dollar. You can turn these winnings into T$ and play more tourneys with them. This worked well for me.

 

[kmixer]

Daily dollar 9 man 30c sats top two get entry to daily $ the you unreg and take the T$ and build up that way.

^ This

 

[Dreams of Tragedy]

I say go for the heads up sit and go's

 

[onizuka]

I half agree with you SP. Proper BRM is definitely something that a winning plkayer needs to utilize so they don't go busto during those unlucky runs, but a losing player should also be utilizing it was well to learn the basics. It keeps people at the level that they should be regarding their ability and comfort level. I know when I first started playing online I was playing whatever games I could buy into, and I was losing a little, but once I started applying good BRM, I became more confident that I wasn't going to go busto and that is where my winning started. Now believe me, i love when people who are plaing outside of their means come to my table and buy in for like $7.37 and you can tell they have their entire roll on the line. The problem with a lot of new, bad players is that they don't want to follow proper BRM because it isn't the fun thing to do. He has $10, so technically, there is nothing he can do that would follow anything resembling a proper BRM unless he's playing .10c tourneys and who the hell wants to only play those?



Now as far as you taking any advice in here has gone, I've given up on you. You're obviously a recreational player that doesn't mind going broke and you're just looking for a thrill. Look at what advice you were given:

• Leave current BR alone and only play freerolls until you get $50
• Just play with play money until you build up enough for some freeroll
• Play 2NL until you build up a roll
• Play the .10c tourneys
• Play only the Daily Dollar

But then you play the $3.30 with only $9 in your account. I don't care that you cashed anything in it, that was stupid mistake #1 if you're wanting to "resist to deposit more". Then you take your ~$32 to a 10NL table...that's just genius let me tell you. You actually got lucky making a dumb move in cashing in the tournament and then you go ahead and make the same bonehead move and put 30% of your bankroll on the table again. You would have been actually been rolled more well for 2NL with the 16Buyins you'd have with $32, but now you're back down to only 11 buyins, and I suspect that by the end of this week, your entire roll is going to be gone because you don't listen to good advice.

I admit my wrong decision to put my whole BR on risk playing 10NL with full stack, I just want to say that I am so happy to have many experts here dropping their advices to new player like me. Because my english is not good, I always read 2-3 times all reply here so I can get the point and yesterday I buy a small notebook, write down all suggestions here, maybe you ask why would I write manually when I can just print this page or copy paste to my computer. Because with writing manually, I absorb 3 times more rather than just reading, that's to prove that I take seriously all advices here.

I also write down all my poker expenses (deposit) so I can monitor it in futures. I also start read, watch, learn all FTP Academy lessons to improve my games.

For 10C tourney, I have check it, and unfortunately the time is not good at my place, so I cannot enter that tourney. Also about freeroll, I am thinking about that because it would hit my rakeback, I checked that my RB become negative because I join Daily Dollar.

No, I would not do something stupid like playing 10NL again, I only play 2NL full stack or 5NL short stack since yesterday.

Best regards
onizuka

 

[onizuka]

I say go for the heads up sit and go's

I hope you just make a joke or show some sarcasm here. Because this is the only reply to this thread that I skip on my book that I write manually.

Or do you want me to chasing dream to become the next Steven Silverman aka Zugwat? Inspiring but too good to be true.

 

[forsakenone]

Here is the update progress of my $10

Yesterday I start my day with Daily Dollar and lost far before ITM, then I enter $3.00+$0.30 Knockout 90 man SnG and surprisingly I did well and manage to the final table and finished at 5th collected around $24 plus 3x$0.50 for knocking 3 peoples.

Then I said in my heart "okay that's it for today, I should stop while on the top" skip skip but I can't do that, I play 10NL cash game with max buy in (not short stack ) play only premium hands.

After lot of hands fold, I got AK suited, raised to 3x BB, all fold except 1 person. Flop K K 9, I bet then villain push all in, and I analyse first, no flush draw, all good then I call, guess what is the river? 7 Q

... And villain hold KQ. Blah, lose my hard earned $10 from MTT!!!

you didn't need to lose that hand, but, you did as it often happens, we here won't feel much pity for you especially after you had like a 30$ bankroll, and yet decided to gamble with it. no point in telling us how you got bad beat because we wont go: ohh sorry for you. simply because your move was stupid, and when you make stupid move, stupid shit happens.

so the best thing you can do is go play something small, either cash or sngs, just don't try this crap again.

 

[Worak]

I also write down all my poker expenses (deposit) so I can monitor it in futures. I also start read, watch, learn all FTP Academy lessons to improve my games.

For 10C tourney, I have check it, and unfortunately the time is not good at my place, so I cannot enter that tourney. Also about freeroll, I am thinking about that because it would hit my rakeback, I checked that my RB become negative because I join Daily Dollar.

No, I would not do something stupid like playing 10NL again, I only play 2NL full stack or 5NL short stack since yesterday.

Best regards
onizuka

Before I relate to the highlighted part of the quote let me share some general advice first.

I started my BRs playing freerolls and grinded my way up to a level where I wasn' t afraid of going busto anymore - only then I started depositing to get the deposit bonuses.

Some might consider this a time consuming and awkard approach but I learnt to look at the micro buy-ins as what they are... buy- ins, and not pennies, bucks or play money.

If I enter a tourney now it's almost a given that I stay in strict BRM limits - only exeption being money-added games like CC buy-ins and the like because of the +EV difference to player field ratio.

I'm not a newbie anymore and my ROI and ITM ratios are pretty good over all sites (exept PS where I only play CC league games and the sample size is extremely small).

There has been some very solid advice ITT, especially from absoluteham and forsakenone - stick to it.

Now to the quote:

• The hit your rakeback will take when you cash in money added games (freerolls and buy-ins) will only be a few cents and your total RB can never drop below zero - meaning they won't deduct the -0.08 $ from your account but rather match that with your future RB winnings. So it is far more +EV to cash in one of those games than to count RB pennies.
• Short stacking is not the right way to get around proper BR limits, you still need at least 30 buy-ins (I use 50) which would be 150$ for 5NL (btw - we always want to buy in full in order to get max value for our winning hands)

Spidey recommended playing the DD - I wouldn't do that.

I played the DD rebuy myself yesterday and finished 43rd of 5700 for a whooping 31$ win.....after more than 7 hours of playing, lol (AA<KJo aipf)- on a side note... I registered late.

Sure the FT payout is great - and it's an awesome donkfest, but for proper BRM for MTTs you need 100buy-ins......

If you want to rebuy once and use the add-on that would be 300$ BR .

Conclusion:

• Play every FR you can to get practice (don't expect to learn too much there though)
• If you play the 0.10$ Ferguson don't rebuy....
• There are Freerolls to the DD you can play on FT(~5K entrants, 250 places paid I believe but check yourself fwiw)
• Keep reading and posting here - and if you are eligible join the CC freeroll club.
• Make a BRM plan and stick to it.

 

[onizuka]

Before I relate to the highlighted part of the quote let me share some general advice first.

I started my BRs playing freerolls and grinded my way up to a level where I wasn' t afraid of going busto anymore - only then I started depositing to get the deposit bonuses.

Some might consider this a time consuming and awkard approach but I learnt to look at the micro buy-ins as what they are... buy- ins, and not pennies, bucks or play money.

If I enter a tourney now it's almost a given that I stay in strict BRM limits - only exeption being money-added games like CC buy-ins and the like because of the +EV difference to player field ratio.

I'm not a newbie anymore and my ROI and ITM ratios are pretty good over all sites (exept PS where I only play CC league games and the sample size is extremely small).

There has been some very solid advice ITT, especially from absoluteham and forsakenone - stick to it.

Now to the quote:

• The hit your rakeback will take when you cash in money added games (freerolls and buy-ins) will only be a few cents and your total RB can never drop below zero - meaning they won't deduct the -0.08 $ from your account but rather match that with your future RB winnings. So it is far more +EV to cash in one of those games than to count RB pennies.
• Short stacking is not the right way to get around proper BR limits, you still need at least 30 buy-ins (I use 50) which would be 150$ for 5NL (btw - we always want to buy in full in order to get max value for our winning hands)

Spidey recommended playing the DD - I wouldn't do that.

I played the DD rebuy myself yesterday and finished 43rd of 5700 for a whooping 31$ win.....after more than 7 hours of playing, lol (AA<KJo aipf)- on a side note... I registered late.

Sure the FT payout is great - and it's an awesome donkfest, but for proper BRM for MTTs you need 100buy-ins......

If you want to rebuy once and use the add-on that would be 300$ BR .

Conclusion:

• Play every FR you can to get practice (don't expect to learn too much there though)
• If you play the 0.10$ Ferguson don't rebuy....
• There are Freerolls to the DD you can play on FT(~5K entrants, 250 places paid I believe but check yourself fwiw)
• Keep reading and posting here - and if you are eligible join the CC freeroll club.
• Make a BRM plan and stick to it.

Grafkarow, I'm not gonna lie, I really like your post that I quote, I immediately write your key points to my book, but that left me with 1 question. I joined RBP for 9 days now, last week (my first week at RBP & FTP) I earned $3.41 but yesterday (day 8 according to RBP) my rakeback suddenly goes to -$1.23 so only in 1 day I got a big hit at my RB. Then I checked what I played for that day. The only one that seemed to be the trigger was I play Daily Dollar with 8000 entrants. So my assumption is because that is short 2000 entrants that cause a negative RB, but I dont even ITM, I'm so confused. Can you shed some light to this?

Best regards
onizuka

 

[Aldito]

1. Apply for rakeback. Email full tilt, they'll let RBP know about you.
2. Get your posts up and play cardschat freerolls, a fun way to supplement your tiny bankroll.
3. Don't play the DD. Huge MTT's are the highest variance form of poker-AVOID
4. Play only 2nl. You'll go broke even on 1 table sngs with less than 10 BI.
5. Good luck

 

[absoluthamm]

Grafkarow, I'm not gonna lie, I really like your post that I quote, I immediately write your key points to my book, but that left me with 1 question. I joined RBP for 9 days now, last week (my first week at RBP & FTP) I earned $3.41 but yesterday (day 8 according to RBP) my rakeback suddenly goes to -$1.23 so only in 1 day I got a big hit at my RB. Then I checked what I played for that day. The only one that seemed to be the trigger was I play Daily Dollar with 8000 entrants. So my assumption is because that is short 2000 entrants that cause a negative RB, but I dont even ITM, I'm so confused. Can you shed some light to this?

Best regards
onizuka

1. Apply for rakeback. Email full tilt, they'll let RBP know about you.
2. Get your posts up and play cardschat freerolls, a fun way to supplement your tiny bankroll.
3. Don't play the DD. Huge MTT's are the highest variance form of poker-AVOID
4. Play only 2nl. You'll go broke even on 1 table sngs with less than 10 BI.
5. Good luck

I think it's pretty obvious that he already said he is getting rakeback from rakebackpros

 

[Aldito]

I think it's pretty obvious that he already said he is getting rakeback from rakebackpros

yeah I was in a rush earlier, just read his OP and it mightn't have been mentioned as the thread was only 2 pages

 

[Worak]

(snip)I joined RBP for 9 days now, last week (my first week at RBP & FTP) I earned $3.41 but yesterday (day 8 according to RBP) my rakeback suddenly goes to -$1.23 so only in 1 day I got a big hit at my RB. Then I checked what I played for that day. The only one that seemed to be the trigger was I play Daily Dollar with 8000 entrants. So my assumption is because that is short 2000 entrants that cause a negative RB, but I dont even ITM, I'm so confused. Can you shed some light to this?

Best regards
onizuka

The way RB is calculated is a bit complicated but you're partly right:

If money added tourneys like the DD don't fill up the RB is reduced and can even get negative.

The FAQ of RBP should answer this question quite well but you'll need to look yourself because posting the german FAQ here might not help much

(and I'm too lazy to open the english version ).

 

[absoluthamm]

Lazy ass graf...

Player Added: If you play in a guarantee tournament that doesn't meet the guarantee based on the number of participants, full tilt poker covers the remaining cost and divides the amount of overlay by the number of participants in the tournament.

So for the Daily Dollar if there were 8000 entrants at $1 each in a 10k guaranteed, that leaves $2000 overlay. Divide that by 8000 entrants and you get $0.25 that you will be charged in negative rakeback.

 

[Worak]

Lazy ass graf...

Yeah ....and a tired lazy ass too - the DD I mentioned ITT lasted until 4am and I had a full working day starting at 7:30 and lasting until 17:30 today .

(That's why I usually don't play the DD :embarasse)

 

[suit2please]

my rakeback suddenly goes to -$1.23 so only in 1 day I got a big hit at my RB. Then I checked what I played for that day. The only one that seemed to be the trigger was I play Daily Dollar with 8000 entrants. So my assumption is because that is short 2000 entrants that cause a negative RB, but I dont even ITM, I'm so confused.

That DD would not be enough to bring you to -$1+, did you use any FTPs to buy into tournaments? FTPs are charged to your rakeback account at $0.005 per FTP.

 

[absoluthamm]

yea, something else came into play to bring you down more. Did you spend ~200 FTPs on something? That would have brought you almost exactly to -$1.23 including the DD overlay.

 

[onizuka]

I sent an email yesterday asking for this negative rakeback and I just got a reply, They checked my account and said that -$1.23 in one day caused by bonus release.

I check my "Bonus Account" at FT and yes they released $3.00 two days ago. Now I got an even more big question, I'm grinding at the rate $0.04 each FTP Point, taking forever for non-multitable player like me to release that bonus, and now they deducted more than 30% of the bonus at my RB???

Why do I think 100% first deposit bonus is not as good as it sounds? Back to when I make first deposit at bodog, they give me 10% cash right in the front and I dont need to cleared it also I can use that bonus immediately seconds after deposit plus Bodog still give 100% match up first deposit which need to be cleared but way more easier than one I found at FT.

For progress update, in last 24 hours I'm up around $2

Gonna post the details later & hopefully some interesting hands, because I browse CC with my phone right now.

Best regards
onizuka

 

[Worak]

I worked out how much bonus I would be able to clear before depositing and then deposited 60$.....guess what I was able to clear ? 60$ .

 

[ongkie]

play very tight at the daily dollar