Is stalling time illegal and against policy?

[budebuzz]

I wouldnt use stalling to get people mad intentionally but I do use it in a tournament if I am close to the bubble and short stacked to get into the money, I never had anyone complain and when I see others doing it I dont complain. I really dont complain when stalling is going on in other instances, it may be annoying sometimes but the worst is when someone keeps getting disconnected and it gives them 90 seconds, seems like eternity lol. I feel I can use as much time as I need and the table allows and give everyone that same respect.

 

[ItsMe]

I have stalled and it does have a place - specifically when you are just in the money and close to the bubble in satellites. And yes it is against policy on some sites e.g. Stars. But how do you prove this especially when people are multitasking or doing other things e.g.watching TV. It's not something I'd lose any sleep over given all the other stuff that happens in online poker that goes completely unnoticed.

 

[WikiPoker]

So, why would you do if you wouldn't like someone else doing it to you?

WTF??

Because the aim of the game my friend, is to take all their money.

You dont like people taking your money, yet im pretty sure you like taking others money.

Jeeeeeeesus

 

[belerophon]

Personally I don't do it although I notice a lot of players typing zzzzz at almost any delay. I think that bothers me much more than someone stalling.

Certainly at micro tables when I spent a lot of extra time counting outs and working on the math it took me a lot longer to decide on a course of action.

Maybe that's why zzzzzz bothers me more than stallers.

 

[jecolgan]

first,,its a bad idea,,while you are stalling,,pissing people off and what not,,other tables are PLAYING POKER and winning/losing chips,,it puts you at a disadvantage in the long run,,especially in MTTs,,where the speed of play is critical to your chances of winning,,,on the other hand,,if near the bubble and short stacked,,,you can use the clock to increase your chances of at least making ITM,,i have used that tactic a few times before when short stacked to make ITM and get my buy in back to go to the next tourney,,,of course as soon as ive made ITM,,,i shove with any two decent cards and hope for the best,,,again,,it can be used to put your opponets on tilt,,which helps you,,but it also allows other tables to increase their chip stack while you sip your beer gl in all the good you do

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

I know this is an old dead thread. But honestly, I don't think it's against policy(or at least FullTilt/pokerstars policy). Reason why I came back to this is because I just recently tried out TableNinjaFT trial version from HEM site. when u run out of time, they reclick the "I'm back" button for you. So in other words, You can just pretty much go afk from your computer and it'll automatically stall since it'll click "im back" button everytime.

Of course, what I did to this table long time ago was a dick move. But I dont' think it's against full tilt policy because if it was, tableninja wouldn't exist.

 

[Tom1559]

How can it be illegal or against policy to use up the time that they allocate to you. Sounds like it is a good tactic to me.

 

[trucker103]

hey its a good tactic when close to the bubble and its your time so why not use it .

 

[Aqqachar]

It's a lousy tactic in the beginning of a tourney though. Players on the other tables are amassing chips why your table all got beginning stacks. That's not a way to win. When i got such an idiot on mine table who's stalling every hand in the first 2 levels i'm cursing at him too....

 

[rollnutilt]

It's a lousy tactic in the beginning of a tourney though. Players on the other tables are amassing chips why your table all got beginning stacks. That's not a way to win. When i got such an idiot on mine table who's stalling every hand in the first 2 levels i'm cursing at him too....

It's a STT not a MTT and if the player decide to use all the time they want what can you do about it. It's already allocated to everyone. OP had the right to do what he wanted with the time hes allocated. Yes poor etiquette and so is cussing out players but none the less it shouldn't put one on tilt.

 

[norriscjn]

I have gotten pissed off at someone for stalling before and there for I lost that tournament that i was chip leader in because i kept putting that guy all in just to try and get him out. So whatever makes you win the tourny you should probably do regardless of other peoples feelings.

 

[clover]

If you play in UltimateBet, you will see this happen all the time! I've yet to understand why it happens so frequently. As for casinos...Dealers will typically just remind the player that it's their turn to move. I've never seen another player call the clock on anyone in my experience, but I have seen many of them glance at the clock if a player is taking their time on more than just one occasion. I personally don't mind if a player needs a little extra time to think it out, so long as it makes sense. It's a bit silly when they start doing that at the beginning of the tournament, when the pot is relatively small and then fold anyway.

 

[thetaxman1]

I have seen some tourneys where the Blind structure is so quick and play so donkified that playing as fast as possible was the way to go. And then other times It makes since to play slow If you are coming to the bubble in a large field tourney and because of multiple tables slow play will ensure you make the money.

Some Sngs you can make the cut without playing a hand. So just sitout, go do your chores and come back later. Blinds will be higher and it is easier to get your job done then.

 

[jaymfc]

How can it be illegal or against policy to use up the time that they allocate to you.

it's not but legal things can be abused . it would be illegal or against policy to abuse other players

stalling every hand is abuse
stalling on money bubble is acceptable
stalling in hand for hand is innocent ignorance
JMO

 

[FEARFACTOR]

It's not illegal to fart on someone's food at a restaurant, either.
Does it make you an asshole?
I think so.

 

[suit2please]

Alright, just have to say it since I see this all the time. The rules for online poker sites have nothing to do with legal or illegal, they are rules, not laws.

 

[atlantafalcons0]

That's why the timebank is there - to use!

It's not against the rules.

 

[CryingAmy]

You should always stall as much as you can if it puts the others off their game. If you stall long enough and it means unfortunately for someone else the blinds go up, then thats even better. Screw courtesy, screw politeness, if it gets you an advantage then do whatever you can to throw them off their game. You are there to take their money not get claps for etiquette.

Of course it works better if you have chip advantage, and it sucks majorly if someone else is doing it and it affects you

Couldnt agree more- the idea at poker is to make money, not friends surely and if you can gain an edge by annoying people with chat/ slowplaying then why not.

In a cash game its obviously a bad idea and would only try it in tournaments if the situation arises where it can be effective (vs tilters or near bubble), but never heard of anyone being banned for it.

 

[jolubman]

There are a couple players that are always the slowest in all the games I play with them. Fortuneately, they don't belong to Cardschat. I hate playing with them. They ruin the game. They reply to my negative comments with the software allows it so it's okay. They never learned to consider the other person's feelings.

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

Have u guys tried TableNinja? It's very awesome. I only tried beta version and using it as a trial. It's very convenient although quite complex since there are too many options and hotkeys I have to set it upto and then use them. I think it works best for multi-tablers who play more than 8 tables.

The posts that Stu Ungar posted was Titan Poker. It's not illegal on Full Tilt/Pokerstars. Because if it was, I don't think TableNinja would exist. And FT/PS didn't have TableNinja on their list.

Of course, just because it's legal doesn't mean I'm gonna do this again. And also, for satellite short-stackers, u shouldn't stall. I don't know why, if I see a short-stacker stalling and he's left to my seat, I would just shove with ATC to prey on that player. But on the other hand, if short-stacker plays his game on bubble play and he's left of me while I have a very healthy chipstack, I might consider showing some mercy and fold my rags to his blind.

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

Couldnt agree more- the idea at poker is to make money, not friends surely and if you can gain an edge by annoying people with chat/ slowplaying then why not.

In a cash game its obviously a bad idea and would only try it in tournaments if the situation arises where it can be effective (vs tilters or near bubble), but never heard of anyone being banned for it.

It wouldn't work in cash games because if they're annoyed, they can just simply leave and join different cash game table. But in tournaments, they can't leave. They're stuck in the tournament/sng until they're eliminated or they win it.

 

[xXSmuggla]

Technically, slowrolling is +EV in a big field of a tournament, slowrolling the nuts when someone shoves against you gives the chips you have more value. A lot of pros will do this. The fact that your slowrolling every hand got into their head, they were getting less cards, therefore changing their starting hand value

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

Technically, slowrolling is +EV in a big field of a tournament, slowrolling the nuts when someone shoves against you gives the chips you have more value. A lot of pros will do this. The fact that your slowrolling every hand got into their head, they were getting less cards, therefore changing their starting hand value

You mean slow-playing, not slow-rolling.

 

[atlantafalcons0]

We're not talking about slowplaying or slowrolling.

Do we need to post definitions?

We are talking about milking clock every hand.

Is it against Full Tilt rules? ------ NO!

 

[jaymfc]

You should always stall as much as you can if it puts the others off their game. If you stall long enough and it means unfortunately for someone else the blinds go up, then thats even better. Screw courtesy, screw politeness, if it gets you an advantage then do whatever you can to throw them off their game. You are there to take their money not get claps for etiquette.

Of course it works better if you have chip advantage, and it sucks majorly if someone else is doing it and it affects you

Couldnt agree more- the idea at poker is to make money, not friends surely and if you can gain an edge by annoying people with chat/ slowplaying then why not.

In a cash game its obviously a bad idea and would only try it in tournaments if the situation arises where it can be effective (vs tilters or near bubble), but never heard of anyone being banned for it.

unfortunately I believe that those who use it to throw people off their game don't gain anywhere near the advantage needed to overcome their lack of actual skill

And also, for satellite short-stackers, u shouldn't stall. I don't know why, if I see a short-stacker stalling and he's left to my seat, I would just shove with ATC to prey on that player. But on the other hand, if short-stacker plays his game on bubble play and he's left of me while I have a very healthy chipstack, I might consider showing some mercy and fold my rags to his blind.

liar why would you , show mercy and they may come back and take your chips but please consider the fact that the ss staller is just waiting for someone like you to shove with ATC