Should Slow Rolls Be Penalized?

[acemenow]

This is a great response :rofl: ♥

Death by lethal injection

too harsh? ok how about a mandatory lecture from my mom. That would end that.

in answer to the OP


I don't think this is something that can be properly quantified. A true "slow roll" is easily identified in Live play. But online? I think its pointless to have a rule against it.

I usually play 4-6 tables, but I know others play 9+. My only point is not everyone is playing just one or two tables. And what you perceive as a slow roll can just as easily be someone having an issue with their computer, or being distracted by something in their home or it could be a multi-tabling player not acting fast enough for you on that particular table or hand. It just seems too arbitrary to have a fixed rule on that for online play. At least imo

note: TO be clear I am referring to Slow Roll here not Slow Play

This happened to be about a year ago

ex: Got Nuts on the turn villain shoves to me on the river. I have 5+ table up and and I am focused on a tricky hand at another table. Finally decide and then methodically I go through the tables I have up, addressing the ones that have the least amount of time left in their prospective "time banks". By the time I get to the table I have the nuts on there is like 5 seconds left and I snap call, though to my opponent I have slow rolled.

I remembered because he called me out on it in chat. I told him not to flatter himself and explained what I was going on, on my end and he responded with oh ok!

 

[jaymfc]

This is a great response :rofl: ♥


in answer to the OP


I don't think this is something that can be properly quantified. A true "slow roll" is easily identified in Live play. But online? I think its pointless to have a rule against it.

I usually play 4-6 tables, but I know others play 9+. My only point is not everyone is playing just one or two tables. And what you perceive as a slow roll can just as easily be someone having an issue with their computer, or being distracted by something in their home or it could be a multi-tabling player not acting fast enough for you on that particular table or hand. It just seems too arbitrary to have a fixed rule on that for online play. At least imo

note: TO be clear I am referring to Slow Roll here not Slow Play

This happened to be about a year ago

ex: Got Nuts on the turn villain shoves to me on the river. I have 5+ table up and and I am focused on a tricky hand at another table. Finally decide and then methodically I go through the tables I have up, addressing the ones that have the least amount of time left in their prospective "time banks". By the time I get to the table I have the nuts on there is like 5 seconds left and I snap call, though to my opponent I have slow rolled.

I remembered because he called me out on it in chat. I told him not to flatter himself and explained what I was going on, on my end and he responded with oh ok!

true that I saw a sloroll today in the league. but like you said there could be many good reasons. plus it was after the flop so although he had top pair top kicker he could have just been afraid of a set.
if they wanna be a**holes then it just is what it is. nothing to be done, many are in other ways.

 

[molokheia]

hi there

Yes Yes Yes
It´s unbelievable how there are pros on slowrolling
They just wait for the last second to fold or they wait and immediately come back
Stressing
Rgds

 

[korbal29]

DEATH PENALTY

 

[pltelles]

No. Tournaments are already classified by speed (turbo, hyper, normal), so the game rule is already given. If you don't accept the rule of the game, don't play. Let them create a game without time for the runners to play.

 

[Backlash]

Equal allotted time is given fairly for each player.
No one should be punished for using it in a manner which suits there style.

 

[abgvedr]

Yo what's up man so many people don't even know what slowroll is i mean come on.

 

[wagon596]

There are very few things that get me going but slow rolling tops the list.

 

[kanogott]

Slow play is an normal thing. And its belong to poker like, steal blinding and other things. Sometimes it is very annoying. But you must live with this play style.

 

[franken222]

LOL you do not seem know what a slowroll is...and congrats for being a staller
on topic: no, slowrolls should not be penalized. its part of the game and its difficult to determine if someone was really slowolling or not in most cases.

Sorry....I assumed it meant slow play. I was wrong, and I've now looked it up. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

Seriously appreciate it.

 

[Gusborgs22]

hahahaha the cards should punish
it remembers me the Big Game
Phill Helmuth with A9
Loose canon with KK
Flop : T99
Phil slow rolls
It runs 4 times and he loses 3/4 times with the best hand in the flop (trip nines)

 

[57noona]

No you should not be served a penalty for slowrolling someone. Even though I don't like slowrolling people when I have the best hand, it is a part of the game. In online when they do it. I try to make note of the person who did it and keep that in mind that they are one of those types of players. I think it is a lack of respect to the other players at the table when you do this. I don't like to be slowrolled and I'm pretty sure a lot of players take offense to this type of action. No penalty needed, just a good old fashioned beating would work is how I feel about it.

 

[ShawanG]

Here is an example of the thoughts that go through the head of a good player for 10-30 seconds while he makes a decision:
– With what range should I stay in the hand?
– What is the range (s) of my opponent(s)?
– How well does the board fit each of these ranges?
– Who did the board suit best?
– Who has more strong hands in the range?
– What is the best way to mix my actions? (GTO involves playing a mixed strategy game. Sometimes you bet 3-bet, and sometimes you call with the same hand. You can check-call from time to time, but you can also check-raise.)
- What are the stack sizes?
– How many chips are in the pot?
– What is my SPR (stack-to-pot ratio)?
- What is my betting strategy?
– Which sizing should I choose to play optimally?
.– What are the advantages of my hand, is it more aggressive or passive than my range on average?
.– What strategy will your opponent choose in response to my bet?
– What can we say about his behavior?
– What do I know about my opponent? What's our story? What reeds do you have on it?
– How do I assess his level of play, what exploits should I consider?

This is very handy for me.
Gotta copy paste this for future reference.
Thanks

 

[ShawanG]

If someone show roll during a live game then he is just a bad person. Not a GOOD human being. There is nothing we can do about it.
Online there is no issue at all. We all are multi-tabling, sometimes we are caught up in a tricky situation at another table.
Online it is not only about slow-rolling but sometimes our nuts get folded also because we run out of time.
So Move On Have Fun

 

[myquickwit]

I don't think they should get a penalty. Hopefully karma is their penalty.

 

[CBETKA]

Well waiting extra time when you have the nuts, giving ur opponent thoughts that hes not drawing dead, Well its rude, its like wtf u doing this for.

Sorry, I didn't understand your answer. the translator doesn't work well. I don't speak English. But in any case, I have the right to delay the time allotted to me, and this is not prohibited by the rules of the game.

 

[Branimir84]

It is obviously bad poker etiquette but it isn't against poker rules. Still has it consequences as other players will not like that. On line its mostly irrelevant if slightly annoying but live well,....you might end up in a fight.

 

[DaaBee]

Hello.
Sometimes I play 4-5 tables at a time, and I need time to make decisions. Do you offer to penalize players who play 4-5 tables at a time?
If you are bored, try playing more tables.

I have the same issue. We play many tables and others think we are wasting time.
Were not.
It takes only a few seconds to find the right tables if your not in a hand, no problem.
However if your on the bubble at another table, you may miss action on a less valuable tables.

 

[veltins]

Its a part of the game and within the rule of the game. So i dont think anyone should be fine for this

 

[Serjo600]

I believe that you should not, because if you play one tournament, it is your personal participation, and many people play a lot of tournaments with you, and for this purpose the time bank is made so that the player has time to make decisions. If you are talking about the game in the off-line, then everything is obvious here, such players are displaced by the system, because if this is the case, then usually these characters are destroyed first.

 

[CKALLDAY]

When I first started playing, it was live poker, and I used “acting” as a part of my game. Sometimes, when I had a strong hand, I would act like it was a tough decision for me before finally putting my chips in. This was generally done pre-flop, on the flop, or the turn, so never at showdown. I do consider this type of play a slow roll and think it is wrong for people to get upset at this type of play.

*I differentiate this from slow playing slightly, because it involves “huffing and puffing” while looking like your in physical pain as you put the chips in, rather than the amount of chips you put in in order to disguise the hand.

Poker can be an art, and we are supposed to disguise the strength of our hand. I never understood where someone would want me to act quickly, and in a sense give away the strength of my hand.

As a result, I think there should be no punishment for this type of slow rolling throughout a hand.

This thread has emphasized more-so a specific situation where you have the stone cold nuts and are last to act facing an all in on the river. This is the true definition of a slow roll. In this specific situation, I do think slow rolling should be frowned upon, but do not see any type of punishment necessary. As others have said, sometimes the purpose of poker is to disguise, fool, and even potentially upset your opponents, and in this case it might put a target on your back from the remaining players, and for some people, that may be something they want. I am not a fan of the move, but it doesn’t affect me personally, one way or the other. I have also seen this specific situation very rarely, compared to slow-rolling throughout the hand.

 

[Pokerpoet2]

I was once accused of slow rolling when on the button, I limped, called a bet on the flop, called a bet on the turn, and when the river was dealt he bet again, and I raised all-in. My question is how is that slow-rolling?
If I made the nuts on the flop, I am not going to turn down free chips from anyone, no matter what position I am in the hand, and if that is considered to be a slow-roll, So What!
Poker is a game of deception, but when two or more players are obviously friends at the table and one has the nuts and fails to raise another of his friends, that is slow-rolling and considered Collusion between friends and could/should result in being banned from the game and the Casino.
I have gone along with friends to a game at a Casino, but they know, when it is announced "Shuffle up and Deal" the gloves come off and it is every man for himself, there are no friends at the table and I will try my best to take them down.

When the fun Stops, STOP!

 

[Pokerpoet2]

Sometimes, the slowroll can be a harmless attitude, especially when it is carried out among friends, as was the case with Thiago Decano and Fernando Grow, PokerStars ambassadors Fintan Hand and Jaime Staples, among others. However, in this hand played at the 2015 Irish Poker Open, the slowroll was extremely bad taste. The hand happened between German Andreas Gann and Irish Donnacha O'Dea, a highly respected veteran player in the country and eighth on Ireland's most awarded list, with more than $ 1.3 million in prizes. After Donnacha's raise with A6, Andreas just called with KQ of diamonds and hit the nuts on the A86 flop, with all of diamonds.



The Irishman put Andreas all in and from there started a pitiful theater. The German spent more than a minute thinking, even with the best possible hand, and appearing to have a real decision in his hands. When he finally announced the call, no one at the table seemed to believe the German's attitude. Several table players scolded Andreas for his attitude, as well as the crowd. However, the hand was not yet finished, as Donnacha could make a full house if an A or a 6 appeared. The turn was safe for the German, but on the river the expected 6 came, to the explosion of the players, the fans and even the commentators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY8fpnkajw0&t=4s

No Sorry I disagree! Simply because even though he made the Nut Flush on the flop there is nothing to say the other player could already have hit Trips, or the two pair he did have or was drawing to the straight flush with the 7/9 of Diamonds, I am sure all this was going through his mind before he called, and as it turned out he was wrong to call.
The Commentator blew this all out of proportion for sensational T.V. and nothing more. I have lost count of the number of times I have made the best hand on the flop, only to be outdrawn by the turn or river cards. That's Poker! That's what makes it the exhilarating game it is.

When the fun Stops, STOP!

 

[rachelle2291]

Online it is probably because player is multitasking or too many tables or bad connection.

 

[suehtam05]

Of course not, why should they? If it is between the rules of the game you can use any strategy you want