Nick, where you drunk when you wrote all that?
you missed the mark on everything you said as it relates to this thread.
This thread is about Holdem, not any other game. so your 40 years of playing stud doesnt come into play here.
Poker is a GAME!!, and Yes it is meant to be won, there is nothing deceiving about that.
DB wanted to know if she should give up Holdem because she isnt aggressive enough. That it wasnt in her nature to be dishonest.
I told her she CAN be aggressive at the tables and still be herself away from the tables.
Everyone should try to be what they are not, its called growing. As a person or a poker player. As the old saying goes "Even a fool knows you cant touch the stars, but that wont keep the wise man from trying"
Anyhoo, dive, I'm the same way. I think I'm a decent NLHE player, but I'm just not aggressive enough to really do well in it. But Omaha 8/b is my game. I almost always double my money when I toss a few bucks into the pot on those tables. And, I realized that my play at higher stakes was better too in Omaha. Now, I just need to get my br up there enough to play them to win.
Just do what you need to do to make yourself happy. And it would be nice if we held a couple of freerolls on here in the PLO or PLO8.
As a general rule, nlhe FR's (a few forum FR's excluded) bust close to 2/3 of the field in the first hour. In PL games it is not uncommon for 3/4 of the field to be gone the first hour.
"poker is a GAME" .. is it really just 'one game'?? Each style of game has it's own distinct variances, nuances and strategies. Stud is 'one' game, while nlhe is also 'one' game, but quite different.
Online, players who do not want to play limit stud will often do so, kicking and screaming all the way to the rail.
In the reverse, you do not see stud/limit players kicking and screaming at the nlhe tables about how 'bad' no limit games are. At casinos, players choose the ONE table they prefer to play at, the games that interest THEM. Online, many players are multi-tabling 12 tables, playing anything they can get into, P.U.I. (playing under the influence), and often using chat to pound their hairless chests. This is just the nature of online nlhe players in all too many cases. Products of TV poker and anonymous, over-inflated egos.
Exclude, please, those few players who DO take their online and live games seriously. The existence of forums shows the difference. There are TENS of MILIONS of online players, while only a few hundred THOUSAND forum members, and a vast number of those are only there for FR passwords.
"meant to be won"<<- even this is deceiving imo. 'What' is 'won'? Each hand? Each session? Each MTT? All, of course, but that is not possible. Winning has to be whatever it means to the player. I 'win' if I leave a ring session with a profit. I 'win' if I make it anywhere ITM in an MTT. I have an overall 'win' rate at ring sessions, while I have never taken 'first' in an MTT, but I'm thrilled with having made second a few times. Does that make me a 'loser'? My 4 site's BR's from -0- lead me to say - 'not'.
"poker face" .. we cannot be happy or satisfied players if we do not like what we 'look like' in the mirror. Why force yourself to change your personality to play nlhe 'correctly'? I find more satisfaction playing at the limit games and that keeps ME happy. On Stars, I make most all of my Round 2 tickets playing the limit FR's and always have several in the 'ticket bank'. I also use those tickets ONLY in the limit Round 2's.
Just my .02c, but don't try to be what you are not. We should all know our limitations. Play nlhe if you must, and play as well as you can, but concentrate on playing what makes YOU happy and gives you personal satisfaction, whatever that means to YOU.
Poker is a GAME!!, and Yes it is meant to be won, there is nothing deceiving about that.
DB wanted to know if she should give up Holdem because she isnt aggressive enough. That it wasnt in her nature to be dishonest.
I told her she CAN be aggressive at the tables and still be herself away from the tables.
Everyone should try to be what they are not, its called growing.
^^^So glad to have Cowboy back in the threads!!!
Anyhoo, dive, I'm the same way. I think I'm a decent NLHE player, but I'm just not aggressive enough to really do well in it. But Omaha 8/b is my game. I almost always double my money when I toss a few bucks into the pot on those tables. And, I realized that my play at higher stakes was better too in Omaha. Now, I just need to get my br up there enough to play them to win.
Just do what you need to do to make yourself happy. And it would be nice if we held a couple of freerolls on here in the PLO or PLO8.
DB goes on to say: "I love HORSE". All 5 are limit games, which led me to my comparison of limit vs. no limit games.
The only problem with PLO or any of the PL games is that especially in FR's, they are even more like nlhe, only going to all-ins even quicker. As a general rule, nlhe FR's (a few forum FR's excluded) bust close to 2/3 of the field in the first hour. In PL games it is not uncommon for 3/4 of the field to be gone the first hour.
Just find your niche. Whether it's hold em, omaha, razz, or budagi, it doesn't really matter, just play what you like and what you feel comfortable with.
As for feeling bad about making people fold, I'm not sure I understand that. It's part of poker.
I've played poker all my life but had never played Holdem until about a year ago. I didn't like it at first and couldn't understand why it was so popular. I kept playing it though as my son in law plays all the time and has so much fun. Eventually I begin to like it more and more. I think it was because I got better at it. lol....What ever you play, enjoy and have fun. Good luck at the tables.
Help and anyone's precious time is always appreciated. 'Answers' are never absolute. But if you can't add much, I sure appreciate the thought. Thanks!
It wasn't a thought It was a compliment to you on your knowledge
of the topic. Most of the time when I laugh (lol) I do it with my heart ..
The only knowledge I have on the topic is that I need more knowledge. Tell you the truth, that's more than some people I've run into seem to have on the topic. :laugh: But thanks for the compliment.