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Ok then explain Michelle Wie there is a Ladies tour yet she insisted on trying to qualify for the mens tour

I'll try to explain Michelle but I don't follow golf. Understand, watching golf when you don't golf is about as exciting as watching poker when you don't even play gin rummy. Still, I'll give it a shot.

Based on a quick web search with photos, I can only speculate that she is a 6ft tall Korean American lesbian, who plays golf for a living. Whoa, don't see many like her running around do ya?

Hey, I'm not saying it's bad to be 6ft tall, Korean American, a lesbian, or a golfer. I'm just saying it's nigh on close to impossible to explain one since, it's almost a fluke that there's a woman walking around who's all these things in one. It gets even tougher without following golf.

Maybe she figures she's as big as a man, and therefore can whoop the living daylights out of one in her chosen sport/profession?

BTW, I only based the lesbian thing on the length of her fingers. A friend told me about a study based on the length of your ring finger vs your index finger, after I bitched for the umpteenth time that my gaydar was on the blink and I kept barking up the wrong tree. Apparently if a woman's index finger is longer than her ring finger she's straight, but if her index finger is shorter than her ring finger she's a lesbian. Ya flip it for men. I'm still not sure what to do figure out the preference of suspected intersexed individuals.
 
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i saw this on aol.com yeah it was a dick move.
 
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I have learnt the hard way, just because someone has said they have cancer, that don't make it true. She may have been trying to bluff him into the better option for her.
If it is proven that she has cancer I honestly feel for her.

This isn't The Grand. He is a dick. End of story.
 
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I canr believe it, worth another post,,
 
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haha, i was about to post in here that there's a thread on the math forum where silly people are trying to defend the guy, only to see that some rather silly people are doing it here too.

so here's a crosspost.

Dorkus Malorkus said:
this thread does a great job of reinforcing the stereotype that the majority of serious poker players have little to no social skills and a moral compass that is way out of sync with society as a whole.

let's address the stupid points that people have made one by one.

- "ZOMG WHY ISN'T THERE MEN'S ONLY POKAR TURNAMENTZ IF DERE IS WIMMINZ ONLY ONES????"

because there is no demand for men's only poker tournaments. yes, idiots are all too quick to trot out this crap when something like this happens, but if you ask everyone who's said something like this if they have ever actually seriously suggested hosting a men's only event to a casino (or wherever), they won't have, because they don't really care. plus, 'normal' poker tournaments are invariably almost entirely men's only events anyway. the stupid "WHERE R MY MENZ ONLY EVENTZ" is an argument of convenience only.

- "OMG WOW A POKER PLAYER IS ONLY CONCERNED WITH EDGE AND EV WAT A SURPRISE!!!"

well yeah it's not surprising. that doesn't make it any less stupid though. even putting all moral issues aside, was his decision a smart one from a common sense perspective? he's apparently a pro poker player, so his face is out there in front of the whole poker world now. do you think this is going to do his career harm or good? when someone googles this guy's name, guess what's gonna come up? yeah, half a dozen articles on why he is a giant douche. i know it's not an issue as far as having to look for a job is concerned seeing as the guy is 60-something and apparently a pro poker player, but the information is out there and open for viewing by family, friends and anyone else who may be of importance to him.

- "ZOMG TEH WOMAN WAS BEING A DOUCHE BY RAISING THE WHOLE CANCER ANGLE AT ALL HER TABLES!!!"

from what i understand, she was merely trying to raise awareness. even if this isn't true, if people softplay against her that's their problem. in any case, by assuming that she's mentioning the cancer as some kind of angle-shoot you're doing just that - assuming, whereas no grand assumption like this is needed when it comes to captain superdouche's actions.

- "ZOMG TEH WOMAN WANTED TEH TROPHY THATS WHY HE REFUSED TEH CHOP!!!"

i don't really see why any chop the money and play for the trophy deal wasn't possible here. i dunno, i guess they're both at fault for not coming to this rather obvious compromise. again, all assumption though.

there you go, a post detailing why all you old guy white-knighters are idiots without even mentioning how morally deficient the whole episode is.
 
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The article doesn't even state whether or not this guy knew his opponent had cancer when they became heads up. All it says is she offered to chop the pot. Although the guy has no class for playing in the tournament to begin with, it would be pretty classless for the lady to come out with, "Yea so we should chop the pot cause.......I have breast cancer". If this was a tournament devoted to charity or cancer survivors of some sort, then it would be completely different of course.

So all of you labeling this guy as the devil himself would honestly chop the pot of whatever tournament you were in if your opponent heads up started saying they had cancer of if you knew they had cancer? This is poker, you don't sit down at a table with hustlers expecting any sympathy for your problems.

You see a person who is drunk off their ass or a compulsive gambler sit down at your ring table, what do you do? Fold all your hands to him and move to a different table?
 
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This is different than any random tournament though if I read the article correctly.

He couldn't chop with the breast cancer patient heads up with equal stacks? Then he can burn in hell

But that's just it, if there had been a girls' team she'd have played on it.

I'll put it this way. If a guy wants to join a ladies' rhythm gymnastics team because there is no men's rhythm gymnastics team, then I'd think it would be silly for anyone to protest his right to participate in a sport he loves.

I don't remember seeing men playing ladies' tennis tournaments though women and men compete against each other in mixed doubles tournaments, and can of course compete outside of tournaments for fun and exhibitions.

Ah tennis. Sport of kings. Class all the way.





















Woops forgot about John McEnroe and Serena Williams. No I didn't.

haha, i was about to post in here that there's a thread on the math forum where silly people are trying to defend the guy, only to see that some rather silly people are doing it here too.

so here's a crosspost.
uote: Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
this thread does a great job of reinforcing the stereotype that the majority of serious poker players have little to no social skills and a moral compass that is way out of sync with society as a whole.

let's address the stupid points that people have made one by one.

- "ZOMG WHY ISN'T THERE MEN'S ONLY POKAR TURNAMENTZ IF DERE IS WIMMINZ ONLY ONES????"

because there is no demand for men's only poker tournaments. yes, idiots are all too quick to trot out this crap when something like this happens, but if you ask everyone who's said something like this if they have ever actually seriously suggested hosting a men's only event to a casino (or wherever), they won't have, because they don't really care. plus, 'normal' poker tournaments are invariably almost entirely men's only events anyway. the stupid "WHERE R MY MENZ ONLY EVENTZ" is an argument of convenience only.

- "OMG WOW A POKER PLAYER IS ONLY CONCERNED WITH EDGE AND EV WAT A SURPRISE!!!"

well yeah it's not surprising. that doesn't make it any less stupid though. even putting all moral issues aside, was his decision a smart one from a common sense perspective? he's apparently a pro poker player, so his face is out there in front of the whole poker world now. do you think this is going to do his career harm or good? when someone googles this guy's name, guess what's gonna come up? yeah, half a dozen articles on why he is a giant douche. i know it's not an issue as far as having to look for a job is concerned seeing as the guy is 60-something and apparently a pro poker player, but the information is out there and open for viewing by family, friends and anyone else who may be of importance to him.

- "ZOMG TEH WOMAN WAS BEING A DOUCHE BY RAISING THE WHOLE CANCER ANGLE AT ALL HER TABLES!!!"

from what i understand, she was merely trying to raise awareness. even if this isn't true, if people softplay against her that's their problem. in any case, by assuming that she's mentioning the cancer as some kind of angle-shoot you're doing just that - assuming, whereas no grand assumption like this is needed when it comes to captain superdouche's actions.

- "ZOMG TEH WOMAN WANTED TEH TROPHY THATS WHY HE REFUSED TEH CHOP!!!"

i don't really see why any chop the money and play for the trophy deal wasn't possible here. i dunno, i guess they're both at fault for not coming to this rather obvious compromise. again, all assumption though.

there you go, a post detailing why all you old guy white-knighters are idiots without even mentioning how morally deficient the whole episode is.

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here's what i say, Cut his balls, his dick off, for him to keep the prize money.....
I ain't joking, ass holes like that make me sick, the only thing they care about is money, i say chop off his nuts, dick.
Even i would give her all of the money, to help her........
 
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I once played on the ladies only carbon tournament for my girlfriend and I finished second place...lol..
sex discriminations is not nice..
Nice article..
 
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I once played on the ladies only carbon tournament for my girlfriend and I finished second place...lol..
sex discriminations is not nice..
Nice article..
I think that it is ridiculous for men to enter a ladies only event a battle of the sexes such as we have here at cc is one thing but a ladies only sholud be respected just as a males or men only should be. Its amazeing to me the levels some people will stoop too these days. But, I guess as the old addage goes all fair in love and war and poker is considered to be a little bit of both bye alot of people.
 
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haha, i was about to post in here that there's a thread on the math forum where silly people are trying to defend the guy, only to see that some rather silly people are doing it here too.

so here's a crosspost.

Dude I gotta disagree here. This is just flat-out hilarious, and if anyone is trying to play the white knight here it's gotta be you. Be realistic. We both know for a fact that if there were a men's only tournament, any woman who fought her way into it would be praised as some sort of hero, and any article about it would frame men in the worst possible light.

I can see it now...

"These events are designed to allow men to play against men if they choose to, without having to play against women," McWomanHater said. "It’s just a level playing field where nobody has to deal with any mouthy womenfolk flaunting their chesticles and eying our junk."

Of course, you're right, there aren't any men's only tournaments, because men are universally not concerned with having to play women at poker. It's just not a big deal. Jesus, can you imagine the rationale for a men's only tournament? WE MIGHT GET COOTIES! It'd be completely pathetic and no one would waste any time pointing that out.

It's just laughably hypocritical for any self-respecting woman to complain about this sort of thing. I'm all for equality, and I honestly think that women have a bit of an edge on men in live poker (all other things being equal). What I think is retarded is this notion of "equality when it suits us", when it comes to race or gender or anything else.

How about just having small buy-in novice events for both genders? They could even let black people and asians compete while they're at it, how crazy would that be?!?! Wait, nevermind, I'm being dumb.
 
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I once played on the ladies only carbon tournament for my girlfriend and I finished second place...lol..
sex discriminations is not nice..
Nice article..

not smart to post that in a public forum since TOS don't allow others to play on players account.
 
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Was discussing with a fellow female CCer, and this is yet another angle that's not being presented.

Women simply don't have the physical intimidation factor that men have. I understand that some men get intimidated by having to approach women for dates and what have you. But I seriously doubt that something like "OMG, she's bigger than me, hairier than me, and capable of raping and killing me" has crossed many a man's mind. I'm close to positive such thoughts never enter men's minds. But they do enter a woman's mind on a regular basis. Your average man hasn't the tiniest bit of fear when a woman steps into the elevator. Your average woman is at least a bit more cautious in that situation.

There are these thoughts and feelings that women carry around on a daily basis. The larger the community we live in, the more the thoughts enter consciousness.

Just take the thoughts and feelings, and multiply them by 8 and that's how it feels to be a woman at any given poker table, until she's comfortable with her situation and surroundings. Multiply it by hundreds and that's your average woman who maybe has only played online or in home games, and that's how it feels to be your average woman entering a standard "everybody's welcome" tournament.

It's one thing to want equality, but where do you really see equality? Huh? I don't see it. Ignoring the whole intimidation angle, on average a woman makes less for the same job as a man while paying more for necessities. Heck we frequently have to pay more for the same basic haircut or trim in the same shop!

Equality? What? Where? I don't see it.

Since women make up half the human race, and poker really isn't the sort of thing where brute strength or literal viciousness is required, shouldn't even more of us be playing poker than are? Shouldn't even more be playing in tournaments?

So someone came up with a solution to the problem. The women's only tournament. Where any woman can sit, be comfortable, and learn the ropes of playing in a poker tournament without the physical fear and intimidation factors. Then a handful of jerks decide they're going to have "Men's equality" and at least one is a ringer. That's not brave, it's not even remotely cool. It's cowardly. Downright cowardly. Win or lose he's a coward. A yellow bellied sapsucker to be sure.

If this helps I can make an analogy. Geeks vs. Jocks. Yeah you see every imaginable type of male in a tournament, but imagine if only jocks played. Let's just say you're a geek of the skinny variety with a sinus condition and glasses. Real stereotypical, but they do exist.

Would you willingly surround yourself by a bunch of jocks? Your personal experience with them has been limited to having your lunch tray thrown to the floor, being crammed into your locker for answering a math problem correctly, and having them attempt to forcibly remove your underpants the hard way(atomic super-wedgie anyone?). So, yeah, you'd be a damn fool to willingly rush into what's easily perceived as harm's way.

It's not so different for women. We aren't stupid. We know that not every man's lurking and waiting to victimize us. Still, we know it happens. We just don't want it to happen.

Also, the day a man has to have security escort him to his car because he wore a cute outfit and laughed at some jokes is the day I'll buy that poker's completely equal.
 
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Thanks DM, the rest.... my views...

here's what i say, Cut his balls, his dick off, for him to keep the prize money.....
I ain't joking, ass holes like that make me sick, the only thing they care about is money, i say chop off his nuts, dick.
Even i would give her all of the money, to help her........
cause ur not overreacting at all.....

if she didnt have breast cancer, a lot of ppls oppinions would change imo and the fact that she had breast cancer should not be considered in making up ur oppinion of the situation
 
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Dude I gotta disagree here. This is just flat-out hilarious, and if anyone is trying to play the white knight here it's gotta be you. Be realistic. We both know for a fact that if there were a men's only tournament, any woman who fought her way into it would be praised as some sort of hero, and any article about it would frame men in the worst possible light.

like all those articles that framed male golfers in the worst possible light when that chick whose name i can't remember got into a men's event? oh yes i can remember the dozens of scathing articles that were written about male golfers getting their junk out and masturbating into sand bunkers as i type this. :rolleyes:

also i was unaware of this notion that two wrongs do in fact make a right, so ty for informing me of this.

anyway, keep on reinforcing those stereotypes, guys! :icon_thum
 
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Thanks DM, the rest.... my views...

here's what i say, Cut his balls, his dick off, for him to keep the prize money.....
I ain't joking, ass holes like that make me sick, the only thing they care about is money, i say chop off his nuts, dick.
Even i would give her all of the money, to help her........
Even if she was using the Breast cancer thing as a way to intimidate you.
So If we are HU and I say to you to chop because I need a Penis enlargement would you. Emotional Intimidation is a powerful tool.
Again I say If it is that she has cancer I honestly feel sorry for her.
 
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Women simply don't have the physical intimidation factor that men have.

Really?

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They should make it a tournament for people who wear dresses. If you as a male want to play you will have to wear a dress. Then i would post poster size pictures of the men who play in a dress.
 
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Actually, if she wasn't wearing that outfit and trying to look scary, I'd think she was just a random mom.

I've only seen a handful of women who could be considered intimidating, and I wasn't even sure they were women. Chyna Doll when she was really muscular comes to mind. I'm still not sure she's a woman though.
 
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I seriously doubt that something like "OMG, she's bigger than me, hairier than me, and capable of raping and killing me" has crossed many a man's mind. I'm close to positive such thoughts never enter men's minds. But they do enter a woman's mind on a regular basis.


You paranoia is showing. The overwhelming majority of men would never consider abusing a woman, and would support the most severe penalties for the tiny minority who do.
 
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LMAO. imagen Phil Gordon in a dress playin in a Womans Tournament.
They should change this rule to be that only woman play it it. It's stupid that men can enter this tourney. U dont see men tryin to enter womans football games?
 
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You paranoia is showing. The overwhelming majority of men would never consider abusing a woman, and would support the most severe penalties for the tiny minority who do.

Yeah cuz if you cut and paste that one little bit from my post that's exactly how I read. Paranoid. But then it's healthy to have a measure of paranoia.

We know that in most child abduction cases the guilty party is not a stranger, but rather a family member, and frequently a parent. Does that stop every last parent in the country, maybe even the world, from cautioning their children "Don't talk to strangers"?

We know that most men don't rape, kill, or even hit women. Heck, most of the men I know won't stand for a woman being disrespected in their presence. Does that mean these things never happen? Or that it isn't wise for women to be cautious? Or for the occasional fears to be justified?

We know that most people who play poker, or frequent casinos for that matter, aren't thieves or cheats. Does that mean that I shouldn't pay attention to what's going on around me or my chips? Just because most aren't guilty I shouldn't be aware that some are and therefore be mindful of my situation?

If you've never had to sic your dad or big brother on some jerk who just couldn't begin to comprehend the meaning of "NO!" then I don't reckon you would understand.

Then there's the size issue. Human predators don't seem to be particularly fond of large prey. 6' 3" 220lb men just don't come up missing as often as women, and children seem to come up missing more than men and women put together.

The point is still there. That ladies' tournaments are designed to draw women to the game. To give them a place which is at least perceived as safe, less intimidating, and more comfortable.

I don't know why I'm surprised that some men don't or won't get it. After all, some men whine and moan, and will even go so far as to wear a dress for ladies night just to get half price drinks.
 
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The article doesn't even state whether or not this guy knew his opponent had cancer when they became heads up. All it says is she offered to chop the pot. Although the guy has no class for playing in the tournament to begin with, it would be pretty classless for the lady to come out with, "Yea so we should chop the pot cause.......I have breast cancer". If this was a tournament devoted to charity or cancer survivors of some sort, then it would be completely different of course.

So all of you labeling this guy as the devil himself would honestly chop the pot of whatever tournament you were in if your opponent heads up started saying they had cancer of if you knew they had cancer? This is poker, you don't sit down at a table with hustlers expecting any sympathy for your problems.

You see a person who is drunk off their ass or a compulsive gambler sit down at your ring table, what do you do? Fold all your hands to him and move to a different table?

you made a good point about the woman offering to split and her having breast cancer...exc but this guy had no business playing in the tourny at all. Does anyone know why he was allowed to play like can anybody explain the "loophole" that he found that made him allowed to play in the 1st place?
 
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you made a good point about the woman offering to split and her having breast cancer...exc but this guy had no business playing in the tourny at all. Does anyone know why he was allowed to play like can anybody explain the "loophole" that he found that made him allowed to play in the 1st place?

It's not a loophole per se. It's quite simply a matter of legality. It's illegal in the US and other countries for that matter, to discriminate based on sex/gender. To create a ladies event where men just aren't allowed to play would be illegal.

The guy wasn't breaking the law, and really wasn't using any loophole to not break it.

I don't think anybody's questioning whether or not a man can enter one of these events. The real question is if a man should enter one.

So that's pretty much where the argument is now. At this point it's all girls against the boys and a whole lot of hooey about reverse sexism and what-not.
 
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Was discussing with a fellow female CCer, and this is yet another angle that's not being presented.

Women simply don't have the physical intimidation factor that men have. I understand that some men get intimidated by having to approach women for dates and what have you. But I seriously doubt that something like "OMG, she's bigger than me, hairier than me, and capable of raping and killing me" has crossed many a man's mind. I'm close to positive such thoughts never enter men's minds. But they do enter a woman's mind on a regular basis. Your average man hasn't the tiniest bit of fear when a woman steps into the elevator. Your average woman is at least a bit more cautious in that situation.

There are these thoughts and feelings that women carry around on a daily basis. The larger the community we live in, the more the thoughts enter consciousness.

Just take the thoughts and feelings, and multiply them by 8 and that's how it feels to be a woman at any given poker table, until she's comfortable with her situation and surroundings. Multiply it by hundreds and that's your average woman who maybe has only played online or in home games, and that's how it feels to be your average woman entering a standard "everybody's welcome" tournament.

It's one thing to want equality, but where do you really see equality? Huh? I don't see it. Ignoring the whole intimidation angle, on average a woman makes less for the same job as a man while paying more for necessities. Heck we frequently have to pay more for the same basic haircut or trim in the same shop!

Equality? What? Where? I don't see it.

Since women make up half the human race, and poker really isn't the sort of thing where brute strength or literal viciousness is required, shouldn't even more of us be playing poker than are? Shouldn't even more be playing in tournaments?

So someone came up with a solution to the problem. The women's only tournament. Where any woman can sit, be comfortable, and learn the ropes of playing in a poker tournament without the physical fear and intimidation factors. Then a handful of jerks decide they're going to have "Men's equality" and at least one is a ringer. That's not brave, it's not even remotely cool. It's cowardly. Downright cowardly. Win or lose he's a coward. A yellow bellied sapsucker to be sure.

If this helps I can make an analogy. Geeks vs. Jocks. Yeah you see every imaginable type of male in a tournament, but imagine if only jocks played. Let's just say you're a geek of the skinny variety with a sinus condition and glasses. Real stereotypical, but they do exist.

Would you willingly surround yourself by a bunch of jocks? Your personal experience with them has been limited to having your lunch tray thrown to the floor, being crammed into your locker for answering a math problem correctly, and having them attempt to forcibly remove your underpants the hard way(atomic super-wedgie anyone?). So, yeah, you'd be a damn fool to willingly rush into what's easily perceived as harm's way.

It's not so different for women. We aren't stupid. We know that not every man's lurking and waiting to victimize us. Still, we know it happens. We just don't want it to happen.

Also, the day a man has to have security escort him to his car because he wore a cute outfit and laughed at some jokes is the day I'll buy that poker's completely equal.
nice point.

cause ur not overreacting at all.....

if she didnt have breast cancer, a lot of ppls oppinions would change imo and the fact that she had breast cancer should not be considered in making up ur oppinion of the situation


Even if she was using the Breast cancer thing as a way to intimidate you.
So If we are HU and I say to you to chop because I need a Penis enlargement would you. Emotional Intimidation is a powerful tool.
Again I say If it is that she has cancer I honestly feel sorry for her.
It would depend, even just giving the money would show them how kind you are.
I do not think she would of said it, if it was not true.
It would have to be a big MTT, thought your willy would be in pain for some time:p
 
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