OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
FWIW, there are all sorts of quirks to live play and this was just one of them. It'll no doubt take a few sessions to get used to them, and as you've identified, the important thing is just that you learn from each session.
There's quite a few regular live players on here so never be afraid to come on and ask questions if you need to
There's quite a few regular live players on here so never be afraid to come on and ask questions if you need to
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dgking
Rock Star
Silver Level
FWIW, there are all sorts of quirks to live play and this was just one of them. It'll no doubt take a few sessions to get used to them, and as you've identified, the important thing is just that you learn from each session.
There's quite a few regular live players on here so never be afraid to come on and ask questions if you need to
0% douchebaggery lol thanks
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dgking
Rock Star
Silver Level
really? 33 on an a210 board after a raise? you have to know your behind there. I might fold that pre if dealt in mid position again in a 10 man limit game, then again probably not as these tables are soft and limping preflop is usually thecase for the entire table.
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dgking
Rock Star
Silver Level
dont pot odds always have to be looked at when playing limit holdem? I would think so. Dave sasklansky sure thinks so. More so on the turn yes but i knew i was behind so instafold it shouldve been
ythelongface
Legend
Silver Level
We have a casino like that around here, but every table game is electronic(no dealers at all). Just seems weird to me...may as well just stay home if its gonna be digital. I mean it blurs the line just a bit.
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bigjoker66
Visionary
Silver Level
Yea, but you get more hands/hour. Fastest I heard of live was about 32/hour, and I have seen 50+/hour on 10 handed electronic pokertek tables. I have played at tables where they had less than 22 hands/hour.
You don't have a dealer to tip, so that saves about $4-10/hour depending on how you tip.
You see just as many tells, although different, at the electronic tables as with dealer/chips/cards.
I have found the electronic table to be just as talkative/quiet as a regular table. It all depends on the situation and people.
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dgking
Rock Star
Silver Level
JusSumguy
Chipmonger
Silver Level
As much as you can stand. There will be drop coins (the odd color little ones) give them all to the dealer and a couple/few of the money chips.
Casino's pay dealers less than you're paying your babysitter.
Make yourself proud and tip big.
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PotluckXXI
Visionary
Silver Level
Hmm, don't have access to legal live games near me so just play online. IMO if you finish at a lose I don't think a tip is necessary, though it is "bad form" not to leave something, say 5% of starting buy in sounds decent. If you win I might suggest the 5% plus at least 5% of winnings if under a set amount (say $500 on a $500 buy in) then increase a percentage at a predetermined amount that you decide.
So buy in for $500 means a minimum tip of $25 for any profit/loss under $500 (what you leave the table at). for every $100 profit made you increase by $5.
Same buy in and leave with say $1,850 is $25 on 1st $500 then $63 for remaining $1,350 for a total of $88. Of course these amounts can vary according to your preference, but the tips are pooled in a casino, a good tipper may get benefits from the staff (calls from the card room supervisor letting you know when there are fishy tables, for example). No one is required to tip and I really don't think dealers can do anything about it if you don't (assuming they are honest, which I believe every reputable casino or card room is).
Oh, and I like JusSumguy's response
So buy in for $500 means a minimum tip of $25 for any profit/loss under $500 (what you leave the table at). for every $100 profit made you increase by $5.
Same buy in and leave with say $1,850 is $25 on 1st $500 then $63 for remaining $1,350 for a total of $88. Of course these amounts can vary according to your preference, but the tips are pooled in a casino, a good tipper may get benefits from the staff (calls from the card room supervisor letting you know when there are fishy tables, for example). No one is required to tip and I really don't think dealers can do anything about it if you don't (assuming they are honest, which I believe every reputable casino or card room is).
Oh, and I like JusSumguy's response
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
In a cash game where tipping is allowed (it's not in Australian casinos, for example) the norm is for the winner of each pot to pay a tip at the conclusion of the hand. So you pay multiple small tips over the course of a game, instead of one big one when you leave the game. Though if you want to do both, I'm sure no dealer would complain...
As for tip sizing, just watch the other players to see what the normal amount for that game is, in most cases it'll probably only be a few bucks per pot.
wsorbust
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Not to go too off track or anything, but since the thread is on the same path I'll take a stab. I've been waiting out the lingering U.S. poker ban and have done a search, and well, ended up here. I'm thinking about going to the casino, just to give it a try, so my question is: How do you tip a dealer? Do you just slide/toss him/her over chip(s) after you grab your winning pot? How doe's he/she know that you're not posting the small or big blind if you're in position to do so?
JusSumguy
Chipmonger
Silver Level
Just drag your pot in, count out your tip chips and chuck em in front of the dealer. In most casino's he should grab them and tap them on the table while thanking you.
Never hand anything to the dealer. All money/chips go on the table first for the camera and then it's handled. You'll notice the dealer turn his hands up for the camera after every time he/she handles chips/money.
When you buy in, place your cash on the table for the camera and let the chip handler take care of the rest.
This procedure protects you. And it protects the dealer/chip handler as well.
Hope this helps.
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OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
What Jus said, pretty much. When you're posting your blinds you ordinarily just put them right in front of you, which should differentiate them from chips you actually toss to the dealer in the form of a tip.
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bigjoker66
Visionary
Silver Level
Tipping should not be on profits it should be on time. The dealers usually understand if you are stuck and short stacked and don't tip a lot, but you still should tip.
If you are only winning small pots, you should be tipping about $2/30min (They usually switch dealers every 30 min), more if you are winning pots $50+. For really large pots ($200+) I usually go with about 1% of the pot.
If I get a bad dealer, one who makes a lot of mistakes or generally is surly or has a bad attitude I will only tip them $1/30min plus $1 for large pots.
If they are really good and/or entertaining and making the game loose, not berating bad play etc. I tip them more. Some times as much as $1 every pot I win even it its only $10 in the pot.
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baudib1
Legend
Silver Level
that's insane. if everyone tips the dealer that much and then tips for pots won the dealers will be making like $80 an hour, which also means that $80 an hour will be coming off the table and that's not even counting the rake. Between rake and tips, the house will be felting 2-3 players per hour.
that's not a game I'd want to play in.
that's not a game I'd want to play in.
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bigjoker66
Visionary
Silver Level
Yeah, its not cheap playing live poker. I would probably tip less if I was doing it professionally.
Are you saying you tip less live? I was accused (granted it was a drunk guy) of being tight with my tipping.
I think its comes to more like $35-50 in tips/hour then rake is $2-5/hand *32 hands/hour so about $100-150/hour rake.
I played about 25 hours last week and made about $300, so that's about $12/hour (not that great) oh and they comp you $1/hour food credit. I guess if I didn't tip at all I would have made $17/hour or so which would have been another $125 in my pocket.
This was in Las Vegas BTW (MGM and Tropicana) and I was on a business trip, just playing recreationally.
Are you saying you tip less live? I was accused (granted it was a drunk guy) of being tight with my tipping.
I think its comes to more like $35-50 in tips/hour then rake is $2-5/hand *32 hands/hour so about $100-150/hour rake.
I played about 25 hours last week and made about $300, so that's about $12/hour (not that great) oh and they comp you $1/hour food credit. I guess if I didn't tip at all I would have made $17/hour or so which would have been another $125 in my pocket.
This was in Las Vegas BTW (MGM and Tropicana) and I was on a business trip, just playing recreationally.
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dgking
Rock Star
Silver Level
No i have only had 1 session live and it was a quickie, was just at a local casino for friends bday party and hate all other casino games so went to the poker room instead for a little bit. I didnt tip anything, i doubled my buyin and left, the dealer was rude so tipping wasnt on my mind. I was just curious what % of winnings you would tip.
You dont sound like you were being a stingy tipper at all if it was 1/3rd of your winnings aprox, thats quite a bit in my mind. Anyway i dunno if i will be playing much live, rake is higher as well as no rakeback, you cant play 4-6 tables at a time. I mean if i am at the casino anyway i probably would play but wouldnt really want to make it a regular thing i dont think. Then again from my brief experience, the players werent the greatest at low stakes so who knows. most pots were limped(limit holdem however so more common to limp). the chick to my left misread her hand twice in 20 minutes and saw almost every flop.
You dont sound like you were being a stingy tipper at all if it was 1/3rd of your winnings aprox, thats quite a bit in my mind. Anyway i dunno if i will be playing much live, rake is higher as well as no rakeback, you cant play 4-6 tables at a time. I mean if i am at the casino anyway i probably would play but wouldnt really want to make it a regular thing i dont think. Then again from my brief experience, the players werent the greatest at low stakes so who knows. most pots were limped(limit holdem however so more common to limp). the chick to my left misread her hand twice in 20 minutes and saw almost every flop.
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dgking
Rock Star
Silver Level