I have Done Extensive Research and Guess What? (Cash Vs Tournament)

[alexandro]

Live tournament at local casino was the last in chips till the 2 final tables almost blind out next thing I left to the final table and been chip leader but the whole tourney it was survive Maybe won one all in that help me make it to the end taking first place of 150 or more don't remember the exact entries. I was never big stack or lead but I won first and ill continued when I when to final table we saw then numbers for a chop witch that's what I wanted 2 guys refuse then first hand I get k10 when heads up with Ak who was second chip leader the main guy who refuse to chop we both when all in I was back to shortest stack and again not once but twice I just manage to go back up plays my cards right and came again to be chip leader.

 

[Rational Madman]

You fail here also as in tournaments you do not need to remain in the lead, most tournaments are not won by the person that was leading the tournament the longest.

I have lost count as to how many times I have seen the final table short stack win the tourny, and they did it without any luck based scenarios, they used good judgement.

:top:

So they won three allins to go from short to leader without luck involved? Stop talking out your a** on every thread I make.

 

[Rational Madman]

Live tournament at local casino was the last in chips till the 2 final tables almost blind out next thing I left to the final table and been chip leader but the whole tourney it was survive Maybe won one all in that help me make it to the end taking first place of 150 or more don't remember the exact entries. I was never big stack or lead but I won first and ill continued when I when to final table we saw then numbers for a chop witch that's what I wanted 2 guys refuse then first hand I get k10 when heads up with Ak who was second chip leader the main guy who refuse to chop we both when all in I was back to shortest stack and again not once but twice I just manage to go back up plays my cards right and came again to be chip leader.

So at every showdown where it mattered you won and there is no luck? Hahahah

 

[Rational Madman]

But you don't even play real money cash games... and even if you did, your own personal sample is a spit in a bucket floating in the ocean of all the hands that have ever been played in both forms of the game. Even if you had a million hand sample it still wouldn't "prove" anything.

Seriously, you're just trolling at this point. Maybe you realise it, maybe you don't - and I'm not sure which is sadder.

So here's a positive suggestion: instead of making this same post and getting in this same argument over and over again, why don't you go work on your own game? Get some more hands in, of whatever format of the game turns you on. It'll be a better use of your time and everyone else's.

Then I won't get in freeroll club as I have to post original content here to stay in it

 

[bmw13]

My opinion is little bit general... if you want to creat a bankroll you have to start with ring games or sng games...in able to play mtt in the future.
In mtt there are many factors that are implicated.

 

[darthdimsky]

So they won three allins to go from short to leader without luck involved? Stop talking out your a** on every thread I make.

This is a wrongful bash on so many levels. For one, he's correct in this statement. Second, you're the one making the assumption that the shortstack wins 3 flips being an underdog. You play sensible poker, use the big stack bully's aggression against him and chip up. If he doesn't switch gears you usually end up busting him. Usually it's the sensible, level headed poker player who ends up winning.

You want evidence. Pick up any of the FT replays available @ pokerstars and see how they play out. And no, I'm not attacking you here. I gain nothing from trying to put you down.

 

[Rational Madman]

This is a wrongful bash on so many levels. For one, he's correct in this statement. Second, you're the one making the assumption that the shortstack wins 3 flips being an underdog. You play sensible poker, use the big stack bully's aggression against him and chip up. If he doesn't switch gears you usually end up busting him. Usually it's the sensible, level headed poker player who ends up winning.

You want evidence. Pick up any of the FT replays available @ pokerstars and see how they play out. And no, I'm not attacking you here. I gain nothing from trying to put you down.

Nope usually it's the lag fish who gets first second the level headed hers sixth and below

 

[393700]

no need to rely on the program, and I believe that this is not honest, you need to think with your head, not with a robot.

 

[redbeard99]

agree

I have done the same research. I think if you are a strategic a player, which I am you can do better in tournamnts. Strategic players I feel, think far out instead of the hand they are in. Tactical players are more focused on their current hand and do better in cash games. However no matter what your style, it is less risk for more reward.

 

[vitalii029]

I personally believe that to win real money in poker you only tried your luck at a big tournament

 

[OzExorcist]

Then I won't get in freeroll club as I have to post original content here to stay in it

I haven't played one in forever and I'm not a member of the club... but last I checked freerolls were tournaments - y'know, those things you hate

Plus you can post original content without being a troll, and making this same post over and over again in slightly different ways is hardly original anyway

Might I suggest the cash game hand analysis section, since that's your area of particular interest?

 

[Rational Madman]

I haven't played one in forever and I'm not a member of the club... but last I checked freerolls were tournaments - y'know, those things you hate

Plus you can post original content without being a troll, and making this same post over and over again in slightly different ways is hardly original anyway

Might I suggest the cash game hand analysis section, since that's your area of particular interest?

They never give you their reads on other players there. They post single hands where you can't judge if their play was +EV or -EV as you have zero info in villain.

very bad forum section in my opinion. Cash games, more so than tournaments, are such that any single hand can never be judged to be a wise or a foolish play as vs very loose players seemingly dumb moves are +EV over majority of sessions.

 

[Rational Madman]

I haven't played one in forever and I'm not a member of the club... but last I checked freerolls were tournaments - y'know, those things you hate

Plus you can post original content without being a troll, and making this same post over and over again in slightly different ways is hardly original anyway

Might I suggest the cash game hand analysis section, since that's your area of particular interest?

If a tournament is free to enter and the prize is raw cash, as opposed to a ticket, you basically are guaranteed to either gain money or lose none so no issue with freerolls in my eyes. I need to keep up a reputation and since I am not staked enough to regularly play against most members here at the higher level tournaments or cash games, I at least can begin to get a reputation with my freeroll performance.

 

[OzExorcist]

very bad forum section in my opinion. Cash games, more so than tournaments, are such that any single hand can never be judged to be a wise or a foolish play as vs very loose players seemingly dumb moves are +EV over majority of sessions.

/thread IMO

 

[Rational Madman]

/thread IMO

I can explain this to you if you actually want to understand.

 

[iwont20]

CASH GAMES ARE STILL WORSE THAN TOURNAMENTS FOR REGULAR PROFIT!

You've changed your mind?

And btw you might know a thing or two about viral headlines lol

 

[OzExorcist]

So just to recap:

- Your "extensive research" is neither extensive, nor actual research.
- You're not even rolled for the micro stakes, but you're putting yourself up as some kind of expert.
- You think it's realistic to expect to finish every session in profit.
- You don't think hand analysis has any value, which is an... interesting opinion, given it's something you've clearly never seriously participated in. The bit where you said people don't include reads and context gave you away: that's a regular part of hand analysis discussion. Plus even in hands where there are no reads on the villain, the discussion still has merit (since you'll regularly be in spots where you have no reads on a new player and what are you going to do, keep folding until you do?)
- You hate tournaments and think they're for stupid people, but you spend a lot of time making the same thread over and over again so you can play in freeroll tournaments because... that's apparently a better and more profitable use of your time than actually playing hands as one of the Intellectually Superior Cash Game Elite?

So once more, I put it to you: whether you realise it or not, you are being a troll. If you'd go play some hands, or work on your game in whatever way you think is best, everyone would be better off IMO.

There are lots of people here that would like to help you get better at poker. That's a very valuable thing. But you're going about engaging with them in completely the wrong way.

 

[terryk]

Trollin,trollin,trollin,keep them doggy`s trollin,,,,RatMad!!! :ridinghor

 

[Rational Madman]

So just to recap:

- Your "extensive research" is neither extensive, nor actual research.
- You're not even rolled for the micro stakes, but you're putting yourself up as some kind of expert.
- You think it's realistic to expect to finish every session in profit.
- You don't think hand analysis has any value, which is an... interesting opinion, given it's something you've clearly never seriously participated in. The bit where you said people don't include reads and context gave you away: that's a regular part of hand analysis discussion. Plus even in hands where there are no reads on the villain, the discussion still has merit (since you'll regularly be in spots where you have no reads on a new player and what are you going to do, keep folding until you do?)
- You hate tournaments and think they're for stupid people, but you spend a lot of time making the same thread over and over again so you can play in freeroll tournaments because... that's apparently a better and more profitable use of your time than actually playing hands as one of the Intellectually Superior Cash Game Elite?

So once more, I put it to you: whether you realise it or not, you are being a troll. If you'd go play some hands, or work on your game in whatever way you think is best, everyone would be better off IMO.

There are lots of people here that would like to help you get better at poker. That's a very valuable thing. But you're going about engaging with them in completely the wrong way.

I am not trying to be as good as these amateurs at poker, I am trying to be better.

Following the advice of an amateur results in you being amateur.

 

[Rational Madman]

You've changed your mind?

And btw you might know a thing or two about viral headlines lol

No I typo

 

[darthdimsky]

Nope usually it's the lag fish who gets first second the level headed hers sixth and below

Am playing this MTT now and remembered you. This is not a good sign...........

I was almost the bubble boy too. Shoved @ 1bb with K7s from UTG and lucked out on a straight. Right before hand for hand play.

Anyway, here's the graph of consistently playing a below average stack and running deep.

 

[Rational Madman]

Am playing this MTT now and remembered you. This is not a good sign...........

I was almost the bubble boy too. Shoved @ 1bb with K7s from UTG and lucked out on a straight. Right before hand for hand play.

Anyway, here's the graph of consistently playing a below average stack and running deep.

One tournament... Wow I am disproven... Didnt make FT because stack so low he got bullied out and forced into subpar coinflip... Wow I am disproven....

 

[darthdimsky]

One tournament... Wow I am disproven... Didnt make FT because stack so low he got bullied out and forced into subpar coinflip... Wow I am disproven....

You argue every decision is a coinflip. Here's proof that it's not and you attack and disparage it. Way to go.

When asked to substantiate your own proof you have none. Done arguing with you. I ran and will run a BR playing only MTTs when you're claiming superiority risking play money. Heed your own advice as far as MTTs go.

In life there are two types of people, people who admit their losses are their fault and people who blame anything but themselves.

 

[Rational Madman]

You argue every decision is a coinflip. Here's proof that it's not and you attack and disparage it. Way to go.

When asked to substantiate your own proof you have none. Done arguing with you. I ran and will run a BR playing only MTTs when you're claiming superiority risking play money. Heed your own advice as far as MTTs go.

In life there are two types of people, people who admit their losses are their fault and people who blame anything but themselves.

If I enter a bankrolled MTT and lose, that was my error to enter without researching the winrate to begin with.

So I blame myself indeed. I play freerolls sure, that's all I need. You can't "lose" a freeroll in any financial sense, you just don't end up winning it...

 

[darthdimsky]

Again no proof. No research. Just hot air.

Good luck