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loomis311
Rock Star
Silver Level
I lost a lot of money when I first started. I probably dropped $2000 overall before I started winning. I remember the first time I deposited $200 on partypoker I lost it in like 15 minutes.
I don't deposit every month. When I do I usually deposit 20-30$. And I invest another 20-50$ in live games. But I play for fum , mostly.
I deposited over 200 USD and still at zero bankroll - had hard times of seeing correctly cards and colours - which I was able to remove by today and my hands improved signifficantly so I am sure that one more deposit and my problem will be gone
This is even more ridiculous than somebody depositing $50 every month. There are plenty of valid reasons to deposit. Many of us can't be arsed to slog through freerolls to build a starting BR. I'd rather gouge out my eyes with a rusty spoon. If you can afford to deposit, then by all means deposit -- no reason to punish yourself. I never understood all the "build it from nothing" crowd.one more and then another and another and another, and then you will be getting the good run switch activated on your account, the more you deposit the better chance pokerstars chooses you as the next donkament winner! good luck keep depositing and helping to keep poker profitable for the 10 percent seriously though don't deposit unless you are just playing for entertainment :icon_joke
This is even more ridiculous than somebody depositing $50 every month. There are plenty of valid reasons to deposit. Many of us can't be arsed to slog through freerolls to build a starting BR. I'd rather gouge out my eyes with a rusty spoon. If you can afford to deposit, then by all means deposit -- no reason to punish yourself. I never understood all the "build it from nothing" crowd.
not more ridiculous at all, if you can't even build a roll starting from $1 which you can get easily from freerolls and then go grind fixed limit or doing the lowest variance games, running and gunning, whatever to build that small roll then you aren't good to me, depositing $50 a month is not better...not even close unless of course you don't care and aren't interested in playing great
As usual, you see things through your own naive view of reality with no consideration for others' experience. Just the "then you aren't good to me" comment is incredibly arrogant and narrow-minded, not to mention ignorant, of you.
It isn't about skill. It's about patience and value of my time. Even when I played my first game of online poker, penny stakes and free rolls weren't worth my time. I started at 25NL and quickly moved to 50NL, depositing as much as I needed to get the hang of things until I could sustain myself. Playing for hours to make $8 was a waste of my time, which is far more valuable than that. I also wanted to learn more advanced play which is pretty pointless and counter-productive at the micros/freerolls due to the level 1 play.
Again, there are many valid reasons for depositing. The idea that someone can't play poker if they aren't willing to grind from zero is beyond ridiculous.
As usual, you see things through your own naive view of reality with no consideration for others' experience. Just the "then you aren't good to me" comment is incredibly arrogant and narrow-minded, not to mention ignorant, of you.
It isn't about skill. It's about patience and value of my time. Even when I played my first game of online poker, penny stakes and free rolls weren't worth my time. I started at 25NL and quickly moved to 50NL, depositing as much as I needed to get the hang of things until I could sustain myself. Playing for hours to make $8 was a waste of my time, which is far more valuable than that. I also wanted to learn more advanced play which is pretty pointless and counter-productive at the micros/freerolls due to the level 1 play.
Again, there are many valid reasons for depositing. The idea that someone can't play poker if they aren't willing to grind from zero is beyond ridiculous.
I agree completely with everything you said. Particularly, it certainly is relative, which is why I have a big problem with categorical statements suggesting if you deposit you're a loser and can't play poker. In my response to the OP I said that depositing $50 every month might be a problem if his goal was to become a winning player, because if he's applying himself to learn the game and still requiring that many deposits, then he's probably doing something wrong. But if he considers $50/month an entertainment expense because he just enjoys the game, then there's nothing wrong with that at all. More power to him. I spend way more than that a month on frivolous entertainment.As for as willing to play for some certain amount of money and time it's all relative. I grind out a profit every month, pennies compared to what you play for but it's not all about the money for me, I love the game.
If a person is depositing $50 or a $100 or a $10,000 a month and it's an affordable hobby or they are making a profit, then go for it. But if someones family is suffering because of their poker "fun" then they may want to try some other hobby.
Just my thoughts
I agree completely with everything you said. Particularly, it certainly is relative, which is why I have a big problem with categorical statements suggesting if you deposit you're a loser and can't play poker. In my response to the OP I said that depositing $50 every month might be a problem if his goal was to become a winning player, because if he's applying himself to learn the game and still requiring that many deposits, then he's probably doing something wrong. But if he considers $50/month an entertainment expense because he just enjoys the game, then there's nothing wrong with that at all. More power to him. I spend way more than that a month on frivolous entertainment.
I still argue that it's an indisputable fact is that the act of depositing by itself has no bearing on skill. If Phil Ivey sits down to a new poker site, he's going to deposit or P2P a starting bankroll -- he's not going to start at freerolls, LOL. I'm not Phil Ivey, although I would venture to say I play a better game than most only because 90% of poker players are losing players and I'm not. But even when I started out and was a losing player, I preferred to deposit $1000 and play 25NL than to endure freerolls and penny stakes to get there. I was more motivated to get better because I had real stakes on the line, and playing against better players will grow your game a helluva lot faster than playing only equal or lesser players (especially bad players). And before someone points it out: Note I didn't say playing better players is better for your winrate, but rather it's an investment in your education that can pay dividends later. Now of course I'd rather sit at a table of lesser players, because I can better adjust and understand how they play, but can also hold my own against regs.
These days I only deposit when I join a new site. It might be only a small amount, a few buy-ins, to try things out. If it looks like I'll settle there, I deposit big so that I can play the stakes I'm accustomed to. Occasionally I'll withdraw a large chunk of my roll to fund a vacation or other large purchase, leaving myself a small nut to play with, then decide it's not enough to keep me interested so I redeposit to play bigger.
And LOL at the very idea of playing "high stakes play money" instead. As if that means anything. No thanks, I'm playing to win real money and to test my skill against (and learn from) real players. Outside of something like a CC League Game, where there is more on the line than money, I have no time for play money.
Point being: there are many valid reasons to deposit, so to insult people for doing it is just being narrow-minded and ignorant about it. And in case it's not obvious, it tilts me.
I know. I keep telling myself to walk away from these silly debates. Then someone goes and bumps the thread with something I strongly agree or disagree with and I can't resist LOL.Pretty sure you're better off debating with a boulder Dave.
I know. I keep telling myself to walk away from these silly debates. Then someone goes and bumps the thread with something I strongly agree or disagree with and I can't resist LOL.
Today's deposit was $251 on Stars for that $100k Carnival Freeroll promo thingy
(I also move my money around alot to play in different tourneys)