Game Host - Should he have done more?

BrentD22

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Playing a $20 rebuy and we are down to 5 players. 1 player is somewhat drunk... she is constantly making comments about other players. This game is a friendly game that has a butt-load of very poorly skilled players. I can tell she's making at least 1 of them uncomfortable. Then the following things happened within a 3 min. period of time.

-Spilled her beer on table
-Exposed the turn card as well as the burn card which where both A's. The flop was KQJ - player holding KT leads out (she exposes cards), then the other player in the hand that would have called with A high and spiked an ace and then never fold (cause he was not very good) said we'll what happens to those cards? Of course they are shuffled back in (not the burn) and action continues. He mummbles well I guess my ace isn't coming if they shuffle it in the deck now. My buddy would have won a monster pot.
-She 3 bet shoved in the BB after a sb min. raise and then he folded saying your terrible how can you fold you can never fold there.

Many other comments came out of her mouth mostly directed at the poorer skilled players at the table and some needles at me trying to "get a rise out of me".

I stopped the action and said in a firm, but respectful voice "listen this is a friendly game that just happens to have a 1st place prize of over $700 could you please stop what you are doing". She starts the hole wtf me, wtf did I do, ect. "I said I know what you are doing, I understand you are drinking, but please understand this is a friendly game so just please stop!" She continued complaining and being shocked that I am saying this. I look at the host of the game and say "she is being way out of line here". All he said was everyone just calm down. Of course drunk she continued her behavior with me saying nothing more because I got my point across and just hoped that the host would speak up, he did not.

1st off it's obvious even just reading about her actions that it was fair to say she was out of line. I mean just the horrendous miss-deal of the turn card possibly cost my buddy a very large pot which then would have possibly allowed him to cash vs. bubble. She was talking shiznit to very poorly skilled players that we all want in the game because for the most part their all dead money.

2nd - I am trying to decide if I want to confront the host next week and say I think if he's going to run these games and collect rake then it's his responsbility to speak up in those situations and at least give a warning to this player. To be honest I wasn't looking for much more than that. A warning would have sent a clear message to stop her poor behavior.

I did have several players thank me for confronting her, but I still feel somewhat angry mostly do to the host not saying a word to her about the incidents. Understand I can take a needle or a bad comment directed my way, but when she starts making other players that are level 1 at best start feeling nervous and intimidated she is hurting the game for the rest of us along with just ruining the experiance for the players that are just out to have a good time. Possibly those players don't return?
 
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The host definitely should have stepped in, when she is sober she should be warned before the next game.
In your friendly games the host takes rake?
We do not do that in ours.
 
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Yeah that would piss me off too. If the host was getting any money, he shouldnt be a host!
 
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Spilled drinks are a regrettable but unaviodable part of live poker - especially home and "fun" games.

Same goes for misdeals and you can't really complain about how they cost you or someone else a load of money because the chances were equally good that it could have saved you money.

So all we're really left with is the table talk and while it's unpleasant, unless she's actually talking about cards during the hand she's not doing anything wrong per se there either. It's not good etiquitte and it's definitely not smart to be driving the fish away but if Phil Hellmuth can do it and not get kicked out of every casino he plays in then we've gotta conclude that it's not all that far outside of the rules.

By all means talk to the game host, especially if you're paying rake (I'm not even going to touch the legalities of that issue). If it's turning people away from his game then it's less money in his pocket so he might be more inclined to do something about it. Just be aware that this player, based on the description you've given above, might be a grade-A douchebag but she's not actually breaking that many rules.

Oh, one last thought: if the rake the host is taking is illegal where you live it might actually be a disincentive for him to act. A pissed off player, especially one who sounds like a douchebag to start with, might be inclined to go to the authorities out of spite and report the game.
 
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This is a private club game that takes a rake. This is not a home game, but all the good players in the game have always had an understanding that we do not drive the fish away with comments.

When you say her miss deal had equal chances... your incorrect. If player A bets and player B was about to call (he's a big fish) and then decides not to call after seeing the turn card be an ace that will now be shuffled back in the deck. If she was paying attention instead of making fun of other players she would not have turned that card and my buddy would have doubled through the fish. This isn't a if this happens 100 times what is the outcome this is 1 time where the outcome was drasticlly changed. If she was sober and paying attention, but just made a mistake so be it. When's she's too drunk and rude to pay close enough attention and just starts flipping cards BTW I made attempts to stop her from flipping the turn over, but in her fashion she argued and flipped it anyway.

Abusive talk at a table is NOT allowed! Of course we've all been at a table where it was taking place and nothing being done, but per most established card rooms abusive verbal comments are not allowed. It's kinda like speeding. If you are gonig 5mph over nothing will happen, but when you are going 25mph you'll get that ticket. In this case she was out of line.

I believe spilling your drink on the table when you know your drunk is pretty stupid. First to avoid acting like a douche bag I don't drink while playing cards. I also don't argue with people about opinions cause opinions are just like assholes everyone has one and most usually stink like shit, but I won't argue because it's their opinion.

Bottom line in many situations there are gray areas with behavior like this. She was way overboard and way out of line. I've been playing 20-30 hour of live poker a week for 6 years now and I've only ever seen 1 person act worst at a table.
 
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I would have provoked her to hit me, being as rude as possible, and hope that was enough to get her ejected.
 
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Very advanced higher level meta-game thinking there Sir!
 
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If the club is taking rake, there should be a dealer imo. Who the F takes rake and doesn't provide a dealer?
 
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When you say her miss deal had equal chances... your incorrect. If player A bets and player B was about to call (he's a big fish) and then decides not to call after seeing the turn card be an ace that will now be shuffled back in the deck.

But what about the times when your buddy sees a card that stops him doubling the fish up? Everyone always remembers the times these things cost them money and ignores the times it saves them money - in an ideal world obviously it'd never happen but if we choose to play in self-dealt games (it's one of the reasons I choose to avoid them, FWIW) then we have to accept that these things will happen from time to time.

Anyway, if it's a legit rake then I'd absolutely have a word to the host on the basis that this player's douchebaggery could be costing him customers. I'll say it again though, being a douche doesn't actually break that many rules so you're really appealing on etiquitte grounds here.

And TPC has a very good point - who the hell charges rake and doesn't provide dealers?!?
 
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