Full Tilt Poker - A Warning To You All

[SeanyJ]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/full-tilt-poker-warning-you-all-437595/

Man this guy is smart, you think after the replies he got from both of these forums he would realize he is completely in the wrong here.

 

[onebourbon]

LMAO.....I think we're being "punked" in more ways than one....lol

 

[konawajim]

As all of you might be right, i dont think that NOT answering is the right thing to do by FTP support...
aC

I believe the first email was more than likely automated. I think dakota-xx might be right about the ice cream but in any event you must now wait for a person to answer your email.

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

I WIN at poker, and I am currently operating at a return on investment of +28%, I therefore have no need to have a huge bankroll on any site, $50 is a more-than-adequate starting block for me.

No need to deposit $250 then.

 

[ROYALKNIGHT]

If you do not straighten your account and mess that you started, Fulltilt might have a special freeroll for unclaimed monies

 

[RA2000]

You can not claim a bonus for 250 bucks and then immediatly withdraw 200 bucks back again!
The reaction of Full Tilt is just normal!

 

[Poof]

Can we lock/ban........

 

[TheKAAHK]

Sorry, but I think this one is your bad. You were trying to take advantage of the system by depositing money you didn't intend to keep there just to steal the bonus. You should have been less greedy and only deposited the $50 or at least left your $250 deposit there for a reasonable period.

If you bothered to follow the thread, OP said that the whole bonus thing is a moot point. He dosn't really care about the bonus, he just want's his $200 and an explaination of why they "took" it (or however you want to word it) in the first place.

I can understand his anguish as I have been through this as well. Though in my case i pulled funds from Absolute, put them on FT, then immediately downloaded and deposited into UB. Full Tilt then locked my $450 for a week until I politely explained to them that I had pulled all my funds from Absolute due to the superuser bs (I do not play high stakes, but it concerned me enough to move out), to distribute to other sites, and in my rush, I just put it all into FT before moving some to UB.

Though throughout all this I was understanding and polite about the ordeal. Accusing a site of stealing from you and threatening legal action is definitly the wrong way to go about it, no matter how steamed you get

 

[telboy]

Magic friend, you make me ashamed to be britsh

Can i say fellow card players not everyone in the uk are like him

 

[EvilEmperor]

You can not claim a bonus for 250 bucks and then immediatly withdraw 200 bucks back again!
The reaction of Full Tilt is just normal!

Reading the OP it's obvious that FT is not concerned about the bonus and any attempt to scam it. What they are trying to do is to prevent a FT account being used as a conduit for money laundering.

 

[Debi]

Magic friend, you make me ashamed to be britsh

Can i say fellow card players not everyone in the uk are like him

We know that.

 

[Divebitch]

Yea but the admin is not.

But I am American and must eat my 5 gallons of ice cream first - so I can maintain my 300 pound weight. It makes me slow too....I will get to him eventually.

I think Gill is just a friend who followed him here. But hey - while I am stuffing my face I can check it out. Though probably not smart enough. And I also need to steal some money this afternoon so I can play poker. Might be too busy.

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Can we lock/ban........

Noooo, it's getting funner by the minute. In fact I think you should give him another 50 posts, no daily limit before any ban.

 

[bubbasbestbabe]

I, for one, took the time to read his first post. In a nutshell, he deposited $250. He played a few games on FT. He went to withdraw $200 of his money. FT froze his account and wouldn't give him his money. I see no reason for him not to be pissed. If this was me I would be screaming about FT. And I think some of the responses here are out of line.

Your recent $200 withdrawal request has been declined.

We have determined that you have been depositing funds solely for the purpose of withdrawing them. We have reviewed your account and discovered that you deposited and transferred these funds without any intention of playing on our site.
I think FT's response here makes no sense. He left money there. He was playing. What more do they want?

 

[thesoxwin]

Yea but the admin is not.

But I am American and must eat my 5 gallons of ice cream first - so I can maintain my 300 pound weight.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ice cream...I'm not quite 300 yet so I was thinking a half gallon of Rocky Road or maybe some Cookies and Cream. Right after the six cheeseburgs from Mickie D's.

 

[Stick66]

I, for one, took the time to read his first post. In a nutshell, he deposited $250. He played a few games on FT. He went to withdraw $200 of his money. FT froze his account and wouldn't give him his money. I see no reason for him not to be pissed. If this was me I would be screaming about FT. And I think some of the responses here are out of line.

Your recent $200 withdrawal request has been declined.

We have determined that you have been depositing funds solely for the purpose of withdrawing them. We have reviewed your account and discovered that you deposited and transferred these funds without any intention of playing on our site.
I think FT's response here makes no sense. He left money there. He was playing. What more do they want?

This is what money launderers do. They deposit money on gaming sites, wait a few days, and withdraw most of it. This produces an electronic paper trail to confuse anyone who may investigate them to find out where their money comes from.

Unfortunately BBB, the few people who have done this in the past have messed things up for good people like you & me & the OP. poker sites now have safeguards built in to prevent this stuff, but it may sometimes trap well-intending people like us.

Sure this sucks, but I think it's understandable to a point.

 

[kittykatt]

just for the record...from the way i read the posts the forum was just trying to explain in several different ways why this would happen...it went south and the bs started when the brit started his name calling cuz he was pissed that no one cuddled him when he thought he should be regardless of the fact that he was wrong...long story short...if you don't want to hear the truth don't ask the question or ask for the opinion to begin with

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

If you bothered to follow the thread, OP said that the whole bonus thing is a moot point. He dosn't really care about the bonus, he just want's his $200 and an explaination of why they "took" it (or however you want to word it) in the first place.

If the bonus was a moot point they would only have deposited $50, not $250. It only became moot after their sneaky behaviour was detected by the poker site involved.

I can understand his anguish as I have been through this as well. Though in my case i pulled funds from Absolute, put them on FT, then immediately downloaded and deposited into UB. Full Tilt then locked my $450 for a week until I politely explained to them that I had pulled all my funds from Absolute due to the superuser bs (I do not play high stakes, but it concerned me enough to move out), to distribute to other sites, and in my rush, I just put it all into FT before moving some to UB.

Even though UltimateBet and Absolute are part of the same company?

long story short...if you don't want to hear the truth don't ask the question or ask for the opinion to begin with

They didn't ask a question or ask for an opinion, they posted to warn us all of how appallingly Full Tilt treat people that are caught trying to rip them off. So anyone who is going to try to exploit Full Tilt's bonus system in this way - be warned!

 

[kittykatt]

lol true...i stand corrected

 

[Crystal Blue]

FTP could/should have gone about this whole thing in a completely different way imo. A much more civil, and a much less finger pointing e-mail from them might have been a better approach.

FTP said this .................

Your recent $200 withdrawal request has been declined.

We have determined that you have been depositing funds solely for the purpose of withdrawing them. We have reviewed your account and discovered that you deposited and transferred these funds without any intention of playing on our site.

............. When they say "We have determined that you have been depositing funds solely for the purpose of withdrawing them" it is clear to me that they are actually saying, "You are money laundering". At least that is the way I would read it if they sent me an e-mail with those words.

Wouldn't it have been better all round if FTP sent OP an e-mail something along the lines ..............

We noticed that after making your initial first deposit of $250, you have requested a withdrawal of $200 without playing at our real money tables.
Due to the fact that we match first deposits with a 100% bonus up to $600, we can now only offer you a bonus of $50 as that is what you currently have in your account.
Please be aware that we can not activate this $50 bonus until such a time as you actively take part in our real money games and start to pay rake. We have also declined your $200 withdrawal request for the time being and would need you to contact us to discuss the matter further.

Moving on, if $50 still remained in the account after the withdrawal request, FTP jumped the gun a bit by saying "We have reviewed your account and discovered that you deposited and transferred these funds without any intention of playing on our site".

If $50 still remains in the account FTP can't possibly know in advance that OP never had any intention of playing on their site. They just went the wrong way about this imo. I also think that when a poker site makes a decision and acts on it about anyone's account and for whatever the reasons might be, they should be the ones to make the first contact.
I think it is wrong that they just act on something ( after investigation or whatever ) and don't inform the account owner of what they have done.

Leaving it to the account owner to discover something has been done to their account when they next try to log in isn't the best of things to do considering that they don't always get it right to begin with.

 

[Roller]

Admit it you are in the wrong.

TILT puts the Hammer down on you for being what you are.

Props to TILT

Roller:
Drop The Hammer on the Scammer.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

I do understand that things are different on that side of the pond, and that US citizens are the fattest, stupidest and most criminal people on the planet, but where I am from we still operate an 'innocent untill proven guilty' policy.............. no Black Water Security here thank-you very much.

Dang.. hre I was reading this thread eating handfulls of cheetos as I oil my fully automatic AK47..

...and well that comment just hurts...

 

[Divebitch]

............. When they say "We have determined that you have been depositing funds solely for the purpose of withdrawing them" it is clear to me that they are actually saying, "You are money laundering". At least that is the way I would read it if they sent me an e-mail with those words.

Moving on, if $50 still remained in the account after the withdrawal request, FTP jumped the gun a bit by saying "We have reviewed your account and discovered that you deposited and transferred these funds without any intention of playing on our site".

If $50 still remains in the account FTP can't possibly know in advance that OP never had any intention of playing on their site. They just went the wrong way about this imo. I also think that when a poker site makes a decision and acts on it about anyone's account and for whatever the reasons might be, they should be the ones to make the first contact.
I think it is wrong that they just act on something ( after investigation or whatever ) and don't inform the account owner of what they have done.

Shorted your post. Have to disagree on the first paragraph. I'd be willing to wager that the majority of people who make a deposit and pull most or all of it out fast do it with the bonuses in mind, even if under the mistaken impression they will get away with it. I'll bet they see this all day long. $200 is a miniscule amount of money as far as money laundering schemes go. Surely Full Tilt has seen the likes of it to the tune of 10s of 1000s of dollars. But the OP's intentions were clear (although they had to be ROTFL about "to see how fast your withdrawal requests are"):

"I deposited as much as I could afford, namely $250, to maximize my bonus potential. I then withdrew $200 as I do not need to have the entire amount in my account, and also to see how fast your withdrawal requests are, as I am used to withdrawing money and then having it in my account within 1 hour."

Excellent points on the rest. If there is a set rule requiring a certain # of days for a first deposit to stay there, let it be known. If there is any added expense for account setup and withdrawals, let that be known. If they believe that someone is attempting a free bonus, explain the terms of that bonus, and deactivate it. If they don't want that customer to 'darken their doorstep', return the money, and close the acct, and ban their IP.

Lastly, they should have been pro-active about contacting the OP. It's kind of shameful that many sites seems to operate this way. My only bad experience was with UB, when they took away my name (divebitch), and assigned me a temporary login number - totally without warning, no email, and took a week (and 3 or 4 emails) for them to even figure out what happened and solve the problem. In my case, I had had that account for a year and had done nothing wrong. When it comes down to it, when someone holds your money, and all you've got is trust, they should try to earn and maintain that trust with good customer service.

Bottom line, the OP will get his money back from FT, they didn't say he wouldn't.

 

[amclb]

Originally Posted by MagicFriend
I do understand that things are different on that side of the pond, and that US citizens are the fattest, stupidest and most criminal people on the planet, but where I am from we still operate an 'innocent untill proven guilty' policy.............. no Black Water Security here thank-you very much.




....how to win friends and influence people....NOT!!! What you did was not correct policy, and you were busted for it. DEAL, mate! Yeah, I'm fat, but not stupid, nor criminal. I had issues with Fulltilt, namely, my husband didn't recognize the deposits I had made, and charged back on our credit card. They froze my account, I emailed them, deposited with a different card to make up the dif, and they were very cordial and nice about it. On another occasion, I called support on the phone and they were lovely. All depends on how you start the conversation!

Peace and love

 

[Crystal Blue]

Shorted your post. Have to disagree on the first paragraph. I'd be willing to wager that the majority of people who make a deposit and pull most or all of it out fast do it with the bonuses in mind, even if under the mistaken impression they will get away with it. I'll bet they see this all day long. $200 is a miniscule amount of money as far as money laundering schemes go. Surely Full Tilt has seen the likes of it to the tune of 10s of 1000s of dollars.

I understand what you are saying. I'm also sure that FTP and other poker rooms see this sort of thing on a very regular basis. What about the genuine cases though, even if they are few and far between. I don't think I ( or anyone else ) would be too happy to have this happen to us if we needed $$$ because of unforeseen circumstances, it is still our money after all .

Regardless of the regularity that poker sites see this sort of thing, the first course of action they enforce is completely wrong imo. It's just as easy for them to fire off an e-mail along the lines of the one I exampled as it is for them to close accounts and freeze $$$ until account holders get in touch with them, easier probably.

Even if the account holders doing it for the wrong reasons far outweigh the genuine cases, it is still a very bad approach imo. Also, because in this case it is a first time depositor, all the more reason to send them an e-mail reminding them of the terms.

 

[Divebitch]

I understand what you are saying. I'm also sure that FTP and other poker rooms see this sort of thing on a very regular basis. What about the genuine cases though, even if they are few and far between. I don't think I ( or anyone else ) would be too happy to have this happen to us if we needed $$$ because of unforeseen circumstances, it is still our money after all .

Regardless of the regularity that poker sites see this sort of thing, the first course of action they enforce is completely wrong imo. It's just as easy for them to fire off an e-mail along the lines of the one I exampled as it is for them to close accounts and freeze $$$ until account holders get in touch with them, easier probably.

Even if the account holders doing it for the wrong reasons far outweigh the genuine cases, it is still a very bad approach imo. Also, because in this case it is a first time depositor, all the more reason to send them an e-mail reminding them of the terms.

Hear hear! Yup, yup, and yup.