Fold QQ to make money?

[LuckyChippy]

It's a fairly easy call. If he put you all in with a higher pair, it might not be a great play, but it could happen. So be it. If he did it with AK, I'm okay with racing. With anything else, I definitely want to take my solid shot at doubling up.

Folding to get into the money is something I'd definitely consider if I were playing well above my normal levels so that just cashing would mean a major boost to my bankroll. A 90-person $3 tournament wouldn't come close to meeting that condition for me, even though $3 is in the buyin range where I play. But I understand that other people's rolls and values differ.

The best example of this was Jagsti's WCOOP main event. Awesome toruney with him slipping into the money for an insane pay day compared to investment.

 

[robert_wrath]

So I'm sitting at my favorite SnG on Fulltilt; 90 ppl 3+30 knockout turbo. I'm in 5th out of 13 and top 9 cash,I have QQ. I get get pushed all-in preflop by this guy who is 2 out of 13. I called he had KQ, hit a king and knocked me out.

Should I have folded becuase I was so close to the money? or was it the right call?

-Rock

Easy fold here. Why bother jeopardizing your chip position to win/cash as oppose to playing the cards in front of you? Remember, play the game (elimination poker), not just the cards. Keep the low stacks low before actually becoming one of the low stacks.

 

[JMTalbert]

If you were down to 10 handed where 9 plays, I can see folding the QQ (maybe even KK) easier than with 13 players left. I have tried the medium-stack-fold-into-the-money philosophy and if often backfires. With that many people left you have to play and you made the right move. Another donk with a big stack got lucky.

 

[xtachyonx]

Folding to get into the money is something I'd definitely consider if I were playing well above my normal levels so that just cashing would mean a major boost to my bankroll. [...........]

This.

However...

you were 5th in the 3+.30 KO

In the end it comes down to table reads. How many hands does this person play, what range, etc etc.
Ultimately the only person who can make that decision is you.

But if you have no information, acknowledge that you are jeopardizing your stack against something that is not a guarantee win, and is possibly a flip.
If you are in it to win, shove.

But shoving without info/reads with a good stack with QQ/JJ usually leads to trouble.

 

[cardplayer52]

I only see one thing that factor into whether you call or not. And that is what range of hands do you put the villian on. If you put them on a tight range say TT+ AQs+. Then I could see a reason to fold maybe. But if you could widen his range to hands as weak as KQo then I think QQ is a call for sure.

 

[canucks921]

I would have folded. You weren't short stacked, sounds like you had average size chips. Plus the chip leader (or 2nd) shoved. You have to think at this point maybe they have a huge hand. Also queens look great but they can be beat by alot of hands, and as you found out even a lowly KJ can knock them out. were you in early position, if he shoved first then you must have had position on him or were you in the blinds?

 

[woody19]

ye most of the time i would call but it all depends on the stack sizes and the position you are in

but ov it was a instant call if u were up agenst a terrible player that u have seen push with crap on more than one occasion

 

[Pokerdude420]

I think in this situation...If you want to "win money" You need to call and win that hand 75-80% of the time to have a top 3 chip stack going into the final table...Those games like all are very top heavy so its worth calling there on the bubble to get a large stack to have more bullets at the FT.

 

[j_unatrix]

"PHIL HELMUTH"

Why would you make that call i mean CMON BABY super tight poker wins tournaments thats why i am the greatest holdem player alive because i can lay down the jj and the queens preflop!

P.S you are not phil helmuth lol it was the right call sometimes you have to put your money out there and you may get unlucky but more than likely in those spots you will double up and be in great position to get in the top 3, good luck in the future!

 

[5TR8 FLUSH]

I think you made the right call, no way I would of folded QQ with such little people left. I always believed that the person with more chips has a little more luck than the person with less chips but thats just me. I'm not good enough to fold any hand better that JJ, thats unfortunate but it happens.

 

[retrogamer]

if you want a better chance to cash, yes fold. Also since he had more chips which means he can take you out.

 

[ROCKNROLLA426]

Why would you make that call i mean CMON BABY super tight poker wins tournaments thats why i am the greatest holdem player alive because i can lay down the jj and the queens preflop!

P.S you are not phil helmuth lol it was the right call sometimes you have to put your money out there and you may get unlucky but more than likely in those spots you will double up and be in great position to get in the top 3, good luck in the future!

HAHA that's funny man.

Anyways thanks for all the feed back guys. Deep down I know I made the right call. It just sucks haha.

-Rock

 

[Exit141RTe1]

I think you made the right play. You may never see QQ again and the shot of getting in position for the win.

Can't see how your play is wrong.

 

[liamkg]

I believe you were right to call but as we know full tilt is unpredictable however do you play to survive or to win? if the latter you were right to call

 

[dead spade]

if you want a better chance to cash, yes fold. Also since he had more chips which means he can take you out.

yea with more he doesnt have the same risk of being takin out by the smaller stack

 

[Sintubai]

I believe it was well played, but what does weigh in the game are players who are dead or underdogs, we have by the way!

 

[SirFrank]

SirFrank

So I'm sitting at my favorite SnG on Fulltilt; 90 ppl 3+30 knockout turbo. I'm in 5th out of 13 and top 9 cash,I have QQ. I get get pushed all-in preflop by this guy who is 2 out of 13. I called he had KQ, hit a king and knocked me out.

Should I have folded becuase I was so close to the money? or was it the right call?

-Rock

Its simple...its called being programmed out! Ive seen it thousands of times! The dealer dangles the carrott knowing that you are going to be fizzed out!
In a real live game, i would play QQ, but when an electronic dealer can get rid of you it will..!!!

 

[rcrocketman]

I totally agree.

This is the exact reason Ivey did'ent get further @ the WSOP final table. He was too easily pushed off his Jacks by a pair of 7s. You made the right move playing the Queens based on what was given. However, if you had detailed HUD info. your decision would have been much better informed.

First off to those saying what a great call it was because the other guy had KQ.. and you have to call vs KQ... How do you know he had KQ?? (prior to making the call) LOL

Because you were sitting in 5th of 13, this makes this question that much more difficult to answer. Again for those who are saying the KQ shove was so terrible.... umm.. why? The blinds are obviously pretty huge at this point and the guy shoving is potentially folding out hands that are beating him (look... even QQ is considering folding.. or at least I think he was... prior to the unfortunate result).

The answer to the question depends on a few things imo. Can you fold the QQ & still be in good shape to make a good run at the final table? If so then folding the QQ here might be the right thing to do (this would depend greatly upon actually how deep your stack is & how deep the stacks are of the other's still in it... ie. you might be sitting in 5th of 13 at present... but if you're still sitting fairly short (as is often the case I believe in those tourneys) then you might have to just go ahead & make the call.
It's not just about being ahead of the guy shoving here. Typically an AK would be open-shoving in this spot & in that case you're a bit better than a coinflip.. at ~ 55/45. With dead money in the pot you'd be getting the odds to make the call BUT the consequences of losing, getting nothing & distributing your tourney eq to the others is huge.... and needs to be weighed vs. the benefits of making the call & winning (will the win be of the pot be of such significant benefit to outweigh that of a loss of the hand?.. if so then your answer is simple).
Without knowing the exact details of the situation (stack sizes, players who are left, how short the SS's are, how poorly the bigstacks are playing (do I figure i have a decent edge over the rest of the field even if I fold here in this spot), etc., etc.,.... I would probably grudgingly make the call. If this were a SNG with Top3 getting paid, 2 bigstacks & 2 shortstacks, or 2 big, 1 med. & 1 small, & you were one of the 2 bigstacks but the shover had you covered, this would be an EASY FOLD. In your situation here though it is not so clear.

 

[retrogamer]

yep definetly fold it to make money. I recently bubbled calling with KK to only see that the other guy had aces.. sick..