Do you think the deck is randomly distributed?

[Inequitas]

I have thought about it many times. But you also have to ask yourself, why would a site benefit some players over others? Maybe it makes sense to think that it benefits the "new" to be enthusiastic and keep playing, but I do not know, it sounds very conspiratorial. Most poker sites make a lot of money without having to intervene in the game

I don't think there is a conspiracy (well not all the time) its just the mechanics behind the shuffle that isn't random and is impossible to make random... it's more about the nature of the universe rather than some fat cat in office deciding who wins and who doesn't

lol it made me laugh when in the youtube video the guy states that inputs from Mouse movements and lengths of time it took for response were taken in and also contributed to the random number generation and shuffling of the cards...

Hmmm if there is any human contribution to the shuffling even in the mouse movements and lengths of time to respond then NO it's not a random number that's created...

Laser light hitting an omnipaque glass and counting photons that bounce off to create 1's and zeros lol why include the human touch of mouse movements or the length of time to respond lol sounds like some great marketing BS....

Any way the truth is nothing is random...

 

[Santiman]

They can tell the public all that they want.. but .. there are way more algorithms in play.. such as one's to favor the new player with "Good" cards in the beginning to ensure that they come back again.. and what about Bots that are designed to play on tables.. there are stories of sites that catch "rings" of players or bots.. ...

 

[Bluffzone68]

There's a very simple rule. If you believe online poker is rigged, stop playing except for freerolls.

That said, AA DOES lose a lot live. If you don't think so then you haven't played live enough.

As for things happening online and not live, that's complete BS. In a live tourney my wife saw the board be dealt AAAAK. I know because the dealer called for players to come over and see it. I saw it myself. On TV in the WSOP main event Quad Aces lost to a Royal Flush. I myself once got AA, AA, KK, AA over a 6 hand period.

No one can convince me they play much live if they think online is rigged. I only play live once a month or so and I've seen so many things live that also happen online that either live playing is rigged, or online playing is not.

Hey
I agree totally with you.

I would have said the same too.

 

[Bluffzone68]

I think most people make erroneous connections based off of not liking to lose. The deck is evenly dealt almost always, and chance combined with more hands per hour is what makes you see bad beats more often in online play.

Hello
Agreed 💯

 

[theRaven68]

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others...
I am sure that cards are drawn randomly but some accounts have more luck than others

 

[Bluffzone68]

As is the answer to most everything where humans are involved, it depends.

If you are talking on line, I got my degree in computer science and we know that computer randomizers are good but not perfect. That said, in the course of weeks or months of daily online play, you would never be able to pick out the faults in the randomization process without some fairly sophisticated programming that recorded every revealed card during play.

In live play, I've read a study that said 7 good shuffles were needed to randomly redistribute the cards after a hand. If the cards go into an auto shuffler, that will randomize the cards. But what happens when the auto shuffler is broken or not installed at the table? The dealer will reuse the same deck, shuffle 3 times, cut the cards two or three times in the process. That is not sufficient. If he is a sloppy shuffler, which happens rarely, I'll ask him to shuffle again. If it is a home or underground game, the quality of the dealer and shuffle may be sorely lacking and who knows how bad the shuffle will be.

Does that insufficient shuffling result in anything that a player can take advantage of? I don't think so. If you knew every hand that was discarded the previous hand, you might occasionally be able to spot some sort of grouping on the flop. But I doubt it.

If the hand went to showdown, and if 4 players showed paint, and if it was on a painted board, and if the dealer was sloppy or lazy such that those painted cards tended to stay together on the shuffle, and if some of those same cards came out on the flop, you might not be surprised if the turn and river was some of those same painted cards. That's a lot of ifs.

Hi
I have experienced this n live as well as in online that you get same cards back to back.
But that doesn’t happen always nor to everyone.
So how much more random can it get??

 

[tazzmaster62]

for card shufflers they have upgraded them over and over to make sure cards are randomized when they are shuffled.
the deck is deff randomly distributed

 

[Serjo600]

Simple observation, I knew that the opponent didn't know rules and put with the three Queens in Razz, in the end, he won me collecting QT53A - playing horse, Razz today in MM I had the best low draw but opponent is using his big stack started with T4K and completed to max barrel vs two opponents at the end he won he get the pot 500K. I sat down to play with the same amount based on two re-entry, as it stood with the same amount at the cashier - coincidence??? don't think.

 

[successlaw]

Do you believe the deck is randomly distributed?

The notion of random does not exist.
Deck distribution is based on a algorithm.
That's how random generator works in programming .

 

[jadaminato]

No creo que haya una conspiración (bueno, no todo el tiempo) es solo la mecánica detrás de la baraja que no es aleatoria y es imposible hacer al azar ... es más sobre la naturaleza de el universo en lugar de un gato gordo en la oficina decidiendo quién gana y quién no

, me hizo reír cuando en el video de youtube el chico afirma que los aportes de los movimientos del Ratón y la cantidad de tiempo que tomó la respuesta se tomaron y también contribuyeron a la generación de números aleatorios y el orden aleatorio de las tarjetas ...

Hmmm, si hay alguna contribución humana a la combinación aleatoria, incluso en los movimientos del ratón y la cantidad de tiempo para responder, NO, no es un número aleatorio creado ...

La luz láser golpea un vaso omnipaque y cuenta los fotones que rebotan para crear 1s y ceros lol, por qué incluir el toque humano de los movimientos del mouse o la cantidad de tiempo para responder lol suena como un gran BS de mercadotecnia ... De

cualquier manera, la verdad no es nada es aleatorio ... [/ CITA]



Of course, chance does not exist, it is only our inability to understand certain patterns. But that's true even in roulette. Therefore, as long as there is no biased manipulation of the results, for us it should count as "random"

 

[Ranish625]

Do you believe the deck is randomly distributed?

Only when you shuffle it yourself, only then can you be sure that the deck is distributed randomly

 

[Rui Ferreira]

I have this doubt too

I hope so, more happens high bizarre that I even come to doubt that those letters was randomly played, but always have this doubt is also never good to believe a hundred percent
:call2:

 

[GARCIA PABLO DANIEL]

no ... I think this distributed randomly so that you can play right I am satisfied !!

 

[Cesum Pec]

Hi
I have experienced this n live as well as in online that you get same cards back to back.
But that doesn’t happen always nor to everyone.
So how much more random can it get??

OK, let me say it another way. It is theoretically possible for a hand shuffled deck to once in a while not get randomized, but it would be rare and very difficult and even more rare where you would be able to anticipate this to your advantage.

So I agree, it is random or at least random enough that you should play as if it is random.

 

[Dzob]

I have always wondered if in online poker cards are only drawn once at the beginning of the hand or maybe several times during the hand (In the beginning, before the flop, turn and river).

 

[neptun1914]

If you do not trust thesite or casino where you play you should just not play there. I personally trust big and well regulated sites like pokerstars or 888 for example.

 

[acemenow]

I'll defer to an article by an MIT engineer. As it articulates my belief much more coherently than I could myself...

For most applications, a pseudo-random number is sufficient, he adds. “For example, if you want to do a random sampling of a large set of data, you’ll need numbers to feed into the program so that the samples are more or less evenly distributed. Using pseudo-random numbers is perfectly acceptable in this case.

https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/ask-an-engineer/can-a-computer-generate-a-truly-random-number/

 

[thwenth1983]

Random?

Good afternoon everyone.
In live poker the cards are random, if in online poker the cards were random the results would be the same as live poker.
In online poker, every time someone flushes, you see weaker hands winning hands preminus all the time, how many times you lost with AA, in live poker you hardly lose, in online poker you lose often.
In my opinion the software does a relay on players who will win the hand regardless of the cards.
I played a Mtt, I with AA, has 72.5% chance to win, player 2 with KJs, has 15.55% and player 3 with K6s, has 11.37%.

flop 7h 6c Qd turn 9c river Kc.

In another hand, I with AA, player 2 with AKs and player 3 with 77.

flop 10h Qc 3d turn Kc river Kh.

In another hand, I with AA, player 2 with KTs and player 3 with 44.

flop 2s 7s 8c turn Qs river As

The probability of an AA winning in online poker is not the same as in live poker, which proves that the cards are not random.

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[MAGICUZ]

at least I want to believe it

 

[0546474]

I think that yes, the cards in the deck are in a random order !!! As far as I know, all servers of poker rooms are often tested by independent experts !!!

 

[Canwai]

Of course yes. Otherwise I would not play.
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[fishfood80]

They can tell the public all that they want.. but .. there are way more algorithms in play.. such as one's to favor the new player with "Good" cards in the beginning to ensure that they come back again.. and what about Bots that are designed to play on tables.. there are stories of sites that catch "rings" of players or bots.. ...

Bots and player "rings" don't have anything to do with the randomness of card distribution though. I don't know I've seen some crazy run outs live as well as online. It's all just random chance after the cards are shuffled.

 

[fishfood80]

This question is easily answered.
Analysis of the results of the first 20 hands of a Mtt, live and discuss the analysis of the first 20 hands of an Mtt, in online poker.
The results are very different, in online poker an AA, loses very often, in the live it is very difficult an AA to lose.
In online poker, you make a chip on the flop, and an opponent wins with a flush, with hands like J9o, are very different results from the probability of poker, in my opinion the online cards are scheduled, do not go out in a regular way.
The odds of a court are 0.012%, every hour has players making blocks with hands like j5o, beats 5d 5s 9d 5c Ac, are very different results of live poker.
I love playing poker and I'm going to keep playing, now I'll say that the cards come out in word form ...

Man if you think aces lose seldom live then you need to put more hours in lol. I think I've lost more with pocket aces then any other hand. I'd rather get it in with AK then aces. Seriously though here's a hand history. I'm dealt pocket aces and 3 bet. BB calls initial raiser folds. Flop comes A9Q rainbow Bb checks I bet half pot BB goes all in. I snap call happily. BB shows 66. Turn is a 6 River is a 6 and I'm done. You would think this was online but it was at a 500 dollar deepstack tourney at Foxwoods. Sometimes stuff just happens.

 

[Eric Salvador]

Sometimes I don’t feel that it is but I’m assured by pros that it isn’t so we’ll just say undecided at this time.

 

[blanktheman]

Do you believe the deck is randomly distributed?

In theory yes it is. In practice i have noticed many underdogs winning. This is a question that has been asked for years and will still be asked for years to come. It's best we don't get sucked into the debate.