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marvinas
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EXCELLENT ??? and i am glad you brought it up..you should definatley watch the dealer..often times they have been there for a long time..esp if the game is solid..i mean full all the time..tips are great then....dont put em back in the game though lol....You are definately right here.
The problem I feel is that people dont know what to look out for.. and therefore ask about tells.
The problem is that one guy scratching his ear may be very different to the next guy doing the same thing.
Its more the overall picture.. tells are not learned behaviour rather the physical effects of excess adrenalin, perspiration, anxiety etc etc...
So its something that comes with experience of observing. I think people at live tables are over eager to put tells into practice. By being the dealer you are prevented from doing that and so would gain a good foundation.
Incidentally, I just thought of this, but I should imagine that many dealers become quite good at spotting the physical signs of whats going on and over time learn a great deal about their regulars.
How big a tell would it be to observe, not only the players, but the dealers reaction to their actions... especially if you were a new face and had no previous experience of the players.. but knew that they were regulars.. so knew that the dealer had experience of them.
this article if i remeber right also stated that the mucked cards were also shuffled in...I doubt it would, as long as it is random. Of course, if there is a shuffle while hand is in progress, you might get another card, but odds remain the same - if there were, say, 15 outs, they will be there no matter what you do with the deck.
ye i have seen these players..lol i call these ppl "more money than god "players...extremley wealthy business types that think its funny to jam the pot full just to see if they can get you to fold a good hand...i see it all the time...good thing im not in the game lol..Well actually I think its how players play online. When you are putting in real chips etc., you think a bit more. Online you just hit the button are rushed more and so on. Some people just sit there and say ok Im calling without actually thinking about whats on the board etc.. Are there players like this at live games as well? Yes(drunks and crack heads calling a all in against the regular with pocket deuces and three paint on the board LOL, we all have seen them), but not as many so for that reason I expect the variance to be somewhat off. If you get my drift with this.
i read a lot here and have taken a ton of good advise from this forum...and i could really use some here.
are you to the point in your game that you dont need advise..or maybe your pride wont let you accept any....
Not to be a dick, but try using paragraphs next time.
It makes it easier to read. A lot of people probably looked at the format of the post and immediately click back on their browser, or did what I did and I didn't bother reading the first post.
I didnt realize i was going to get an English Composition exam..geez
lol sometimes i dont think ill ever get it right but i am trying lol... no hard feelingsLong Post with Cliff Notes at Conclusion.
In order to maximize your input consider taking our advice when it is offered to you, specifically when you ask for it. Nobody said anything rude to you. In order to offer advice on your posts we need to be able to consume them.
No I did not take time to read the op. It looked very muddling. This is what you then said to me when I said so (which as a dealer I must say you've picked up quite a tell on me that you can identify this without ever seen a hand played)
Oh sweet prideful irony! No, to answer your question. My pride did not prevent me from reading your post which was apparently full of advice for me.
You were then offered from another member:
...and again got defensive about a point that was becoming the consensus opinion
As a dealer I'm sure you have a ton of useful and unique insight that I look forward to reading in the future. We're all here to learn from each other and in order to do so we must maintain an open minded manor and be able to take constructive criticism.
Cliff Notes on my above post:
[x] Can't we all just get along
[x] We're here to help each other
[x] I look forward to hearing about your unique perspective in the future
[ ] I have too much pride to take advice
[x] Recognizes irony of this long post
ty tom...i hope to be able to put together some more interesting topics..ive just been steamrolled by life...so ive had some writers block so to speakVery interesting to read this and hear how the game is seen by the dealer. I am sure you learned an awful lot and I am sure you have also seen some crazy calls, bluffs etc.
1) if their LAG open up your play against them
2) if their TAG only play premuim hands against them
3) if their Passive they mite suck out on you their more so a calling-statoin
ok so i played a home game recently and ran into one of my most feared players...mr push and pray.....
i hate these guys...they tend to get all my chips....and i was only playing top ten hands..
how do you protect your hand against a player who just doesnt give a hoot whatsoever???
and there is absolutley no getting a read on these players as they really dont care what kind of play they are making...
Case and point..I have a friend who also deals...in a diff casino...when i go play in his game... its almost like we are telepathically connected...I couldnt tell you how many times he has told me to turn over my hand at showdown and it goes something like this 2nd best hand has 2pr and rolls over quick "i got 2 pr"... he looks at me and says"show em your set of 7s" chuckling ..and thats exactly what i flip over.
why is this bad????..it just two good friends that know eachothers poker skills well...obviously he had the right read..and if playing he damn sure would of known to fold his hand..That is so bad, if I was another player at that table I would get up and leave. The dealer is not supposed to say things like that. That is almost the same as there being 4 spades on board and the dealer saying, "Who's got the Ace of spades!?!" (Which I have heard dealers say in Canada sometimes)
lol i think ill stick to playing premium hands..i feel better about losing when playing right ..than donking out and being scrutinized for bad play...and if you have sat at a table with me you would know i am far from weak..ill ram and jam just like anyone else...except i do it with premium hands.Learn to play more than ten hands. I would rather watch TV than play top ten hands live. At least online you can 10-table and keep yourself occupied.
You want to know what kind of play they are making? They are pushing around a weak tight player. Sounds like you need a bit more gamble in your game.