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aliengenius

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comments made during a hand to affect players decision.

I'm still not sure we are on the same page here. Comments made with the intent of effecting how someone plays the hand when made heads up are totally legal. "Table talking" for information, and/or to convince someone to take a certain action are fine, provided that there are only two player in the hand, and the comments are made by one of those players.
 
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I'm still not sure we are on the same page here. Comments made with the intent of effecting how someone plays the hand when made heads up are totally legal. "Table talking" for information, and/or to convince someone to take a certain action are fine, provided that there are only two player in the hand, and the comments are made by one of those players.
Correct sir, but the OP was talking about how some1 not in the hand convinced his opponent to call with ace high against his bluff, and he did because of the railers comment.
 
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Correct sir, but the OP was talking about how some1 not in the hand convinced his opponent to call with ace high against his bluff, and he did because of the railers comment.

Exactly. So why are you posting about f-bombs and PH's "you are an idiot/donkey" comments? It has nothing to do with this topic.

Eggnog, yum :D.
 
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affecting someones decision on a hand in progress , in any way shape or form . is wrong . :)

this post was over 5 months old , newbie bumped it yesterday and it has had 15 posts since then . touchy subject I guess.
 
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Exactly. So why are you posting about f-bombs and PH's "you are an idiot/donkey" comments? It has nothing to do with this topic.

Eggnog, yum :D.
i guess cuz im an idiot/donkey.
 
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affecting someones decision on a hand in progress , in any way shape or form . is wrong . :)

this post was over 5 months old , newbie bumped it yesterday and it has had 15 posts since then . touchy subject I guess.

Yes, recently this has been an issue for me (in CC events, where I would not have expected it). I was going to make a new thread on this topic today (prior to tomorrow's game), but saw this and figured I would post here instead.

i guess cuz im an idiot/donkey.

You just 'Phil Hellumth-ed' YOURSELF !
:D
 
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I thought I heard recently that they softened up the profanity punishments for this year's wsop. They weren't allowed to curse AT someone, but they could curse simply using f*** as an interjection. Personally I curse a lot when I'm playing (home game) but never against someone really. Stuff like "what the f*** do you have? or "you f***in' kidding me?" From my understanding that would be legal at the WSOP this year. If you start cursing at players, that's when you get in trouble.
 
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3. commenting on the board itself: you can't say something like "there is a straight/flush out there" or "chop it up, the nuts is on the board" or similar comments. It's up to the players in the hand to recognize/read the board.

I agree that these comments are out of line because they identify hands that players have or might have. I don't think it is out of line to comment on the board, though. There's a huge difference on a flop of Kc7c6c between saying "All clubs," and saying "Two clubs makes a flush," or "Someone might have a flush already." The former is something that everyone should be able to see with their eyes. The latter two are things that must be reasoned by the brain. I have no problem with people making comments that correct mistakes of the eyes. I do have a problem with correcting a mistake of the brain.
 
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I agree that these comments are out of line because they identify hands that players have or might have. I don't think it is out of line to comment on the board, though. There's a huge difference on a flop of Kc7c6c between saying "All clubs," and saying "Two clubs makes a flush," or "Someone might have a flush already." The former is something that everyone should be able to see with their eyes. The latter two are things that must be reasoned by the brain. I have no problem with people making comments that correct mistakes of the eyes. I do have a problem with correcting a mistake of the brain.

Unfortunately, you end up on a slippery slope here by making this distinction. Both comments violate the rules of poker-- if a player can not see the flop, they can ask the dealer to tell them what the cards are. It is up to the individual to recognize all aspects of the board, so saying "all clubs" or something similar is also not permitted.

I thought I heard recently that they softened up the profanity punishments for this year's WSOP. They weren't allowed to curse AT someone, but they could curse simply using f*** as an interjection. Personally I curse a lot when I'm playing (home game) but never against someone really. Stuff like "what the f*** do you have? or "you f***in' kidding me?" From my understanding that would be legal at the WSOP this year. If you start cursing at players, that's when you get in trouble.

This is true, but again, off topic.
 
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Yes, recently this has been an issue for me (in CC events, where I would not have expected it). I was going to make a new thread on this topic today (prior to tomorrow's game), but saw this and figured I would post here instead.



You just 'Phil Hellumth-ed' YOURSELF !
:D
yes, i have a way of doing that to myself often...now check your PM's damn it!:D
 
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I thought I heard recently that they softened up the profanity punishments for this year's WSOP. They weren't allowed to curse AT someone, but they could curse simply using f*** as an interjection. Personally I curse a lot when I'm playing (home game) but never against someone really. Stuff like "what the f*** do you have? or "you f***in' kidding me?" From my understanding that would be legal at the WSOP this year. If you start cursing at players, that's when you get in trouble.

It should be like this

if i lose, f*ck is just in my vocabulary.
 
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Actually I don't like people acting like they are the judges in small buy-in home games. People are looking forward to a fun night with $5 and they can express their shocks and tell their jokes freely. Trust me, just like donkey plays, most of the times they actually help you. For example:

1. Flop comes high monochrone and everybody AHHH. You know they are scared.
2. Flop comes 33X and one guy suddenly SH*T. You know he folded a 3 PF. Or the flop came 468 and he folded 57, things like that.
3. When people chat and laugh in the game, they loose up and play like an idiot to chase unlikely draws to sustain the atmosphere.

If it is correct that your opponent has the correct pot odds to call, you are not betting enough. It is partly yourself to blame. Remember that since you bluff less than half of the time, most of the call encouragement actually help you.
 
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Actually I don't like people acting like they are the judges in small buy-in home games. People are looking forward to a fun night with $5 and they can express their shocks and tell their jokes freely. Trust me, just like donkey plays, most of the times they actually help you. For example:

1. Flop comes high monochrone and everybody AHHH. You know they are scared.
2. Flop comes 33X and one guy suddenly SH*T. You know he folded a 3 PF. Or the flop came 468 and he folded 57, things like that.
3. When people chat and laugh in the game, they loose up and play like an idiot to chase unlikely draws to sustain the atmosphere.

If it is correct that your opponent has the correct pot odds to call, you are not betting enough. It is partly yourself to blame. Remember that since you bluff less than half of the time, most of the call encouragement actually help you.

"Judges," are you serious? Those are the rules, but if you as host want to change them for your home game, or you group thinks that it's ok to do, then that's your prerogative; you can also make one-eyed jacks wild if you want.

But it's not an individual's right to decide, and when playing on-line you don't get to pick and choose what rules you want. Comments about flop texture or folded hands are UNETHICAL as well as illegal, and violate some of the most basic underlying principals behind the game of poker.
 
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Maby he got a read onyou that you was bluffing and figured he would take his chance with his high card, even though its bs that otherperson opened his mouth to begin with! which I would of informed him of that real quik
 
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Then you better ply your hand in a private room and not a casino or online site.

Why?!?!?!? Are you making up rules now? There is nothing against saying whatever the hell you want to as long as you are involved in the hand and it's heads up.
 
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Why?!?!?!? Are you making up rules now? There is nothing against saying whatever the hell you want to as long as you are involved in the hand and it's heads up.

I think thats the point.
 
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It's bad etiquette. Is that a stronger point? Would he want you telling his opponent heads up how to play, fold, reraise, etc...? Nevertheless not even being in the hand. It's definitely not a team sport. Would you feel different if it was at the final table at the ME with 3 of you left? You'd probably be hated more than Jamie Gold, even if the guy doesn't take your "advice".
 
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ya people shouldnt be trying to influence the game when its not their hand being played, if it was ok, a real good player who could read the players at the table would be able to control the entire game, either telling the person deciding wat to do or not to do. basically i think if its not ur hand u shouldnt be telling ppl how to play their hand, idc if ppl talk jus not telling ppl wat to do.
 
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