Is the checkdown dead

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Soooo, Judging by all the responses, the checkdown is dead. It won't happen again...believe me.

As for talking about a checkdown AFTER he bet, I don't think it's cheating. There can't be a checkdown after someone bets. If I would've said before the flop "lets check it down" then there would've been a problem.


Did you even read the responses to this thread? Maybe you should go back and do it again. Not betting when you hit your Jack on the flop is correct imo. You hand is just TPWK and is easily beaten (in other words you don't want to push anyone out). Middle set on the other hand figures to be better than the shorty almost always, so it should be bet both for value and to protect your strong hand from long shot draws. Had the turn come another J or a T you certainly should have bet for the same reasons your villain did.
 
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I had 56s one time and wanted to see a flop so I limped and then button raised to 6x and I got pissed and punched him in the face and asked "don't you know what it means to let me see a flop?"

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I had 56s one time and wanted to see a flop so I limped and then button raised to 6x and I got pissed and punched him in the face and asked "don't you know what it means to let me see a flop?"

Come on Zach, you know better than to limp/punch.

ROFL. great posts.

To the OP, I thought you were going to show a hand where the guy raised you out of the pot and had nothing. Now that would have given you cause for complaint. But read your own post again, you can't be serious. Look,just read the hand from the other player's point of view as if it were you. Are you trying to say that you don't raise your set on the turn because of the sacred check-down etiquette that only exists in your head? I don't think so.
 
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Soooo, Judging by all the responses, the checkdown is dead. It won't happen again...believe me.

As for talking about a checkdown AFTER he bet, I don't think it's cheating. There can't be a checkdown after someone bets. If I would've said before the flop "lets check it down" then there would've been a problem.

No, a checkdown is not dead. A checkdown is for 2 remaining chipped players to stand a better chance going to showdown against the all-in player. 'Hopefully' one of you comes out with a hand that can beat the all-in. Once one of the players hits a strong hand, checkdowns go buh-bye.

Checkdowns START because neither of you has a hand strong enough to bet the other out of the pot. Villain was smart enough to know he didn't want to raise the pot with p3's. If he figured his set could beat the all-in, why not value bet? Checkdowns only work when the whole purpose of the checking down goes to showdown.

Reverse the shoes - if YOU hit a hand - a set, a straight, a flush - would YOU let the other player slide through the hand?

edit - hehe, DaFrench and I were typing the same thing at the same time. Were we checking down ???? lol
 
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I believe the checkdown is still alive, but you cant get upset about a guy betting his set for value. The one you can be pissed at is the fool that shoves with a flushdraw, pushes you off winning hand, and then misses the flush and triples the short stack...THEN BE PISSED.
 
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I,m still new to poker. What is a checkdown? I dont think I've ever saw one. Can I get one at Wal-mart or is it some kind of secret poker player code talk? I'm so confused. I need answers. Want somebody help me?
 
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I believe the checkdown is still alive, but you cant get upset about a guy betting his set for value. The one you can be pissed at is the fool that shoves with a flushdraw, pushes you off winning hand, and then misses the flush and triples the short stack...THEN BE PISSED.


richko is exactly correct this really pisses me off when some one bluffs the wouldbe winner out of the pot only to lose to the shortstack and tripple or quadruple him up. this is the only reason to check it down. once you are sure you can beat the shortstack all gloves are off
 
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I had 56s one time and wanted to see a flop so I limped and then button raised to 6x and I got pissed and punched him in the face and asked "don't you know what it means to let me see a flop?"

It's two minutes later and this still has me laughing :D

As for the OP, it really doesn't matter whether you said it before the bet, after the bet, on the next hand or to the guy next to you in the bathroom on break, because it doesn't just affect this hand.

What you've said is "I'm a cheat, I collude and in a situation like this I expect you to collude with me." You've made your implicit cheating explicit, and automatically tainted every checkdown situation you may be involved in for the rest of the game. So it was probably for the best that you got knocked out.
 
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Come on Zach, you know better than to limp/punch.


I never thought about adding the limp/punch to my poker repertoire. How profitable is it in terms of bb/hour???
 
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I never thought about adding the limp/punch to my poker repertoire. How profitable is it in terms of bb/hour???

Like everything in poker, the answer is "it depends".

Mostly, it depends on your opponents check-kneecap stats :p
 
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I never thought about adding the limp/punch to my poker repertoire. How profitable is it in terms of bb/hour???

It can be if you fight well post-swing but I prefer open kicking.
 
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I,m still new to poker. What is a checkdown? I dont think I've ever saw one. Can I get one at Wal-mart or is it some kind of secret poker player code talk? I'm so confused. I need answers. Want somebody help me?

Def #1 - You're writing out your deposit to the poker site and the check falls to the floor, you back up your chair and holler "check down".

Def #2 - If you are 'buying' a checkdown, you're wasting money. You can easily get the Buck Rogers De-coder Ring in any one of many cereal boxes or send a request to the Fan Club and they will send you one FREE if you include 5 boxtops with UPC barcode.
 
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Like everything in poker, the answer is "it depends".

Mostly, it depends on your opponents check-kneecap stats :p


Interesting. but 3 bitting is profitable in every situation? no?
 
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I never thought about adding the limp/punch to my poker repertoire. How profitable is it in terms of bb/hour???

Not as profitable as the check/headbutt while they're counting out a raise. They never see that one coming! :p
 
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this thread is too much.
 
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TBH thesoxwin, I can see what must of been going through your head at the time.
7 players left
5 get paid
1 player all-in for just over the amount of the big blind
Cheap 4 way pot
odds of all-in player busting out against 3 other players is high
First player to act is more or less telegraphing his intentions by checking before the flop is even dealt
You and the BB do the same so now it appears the unspoken "check down" is going to take place
When the turn is dealt you are still going along with the unspoken "check down" even though you have top pair

Ok, so it is all going according to the unspoken plan until the BB fires in a bet. TBH, if it were me sitting in your place I too might not of been too happy about it considering how things had panned out so far.
But, it is at this point I would have to think to myself that BB now has a strong enough hand to be making a play for the pot.

I would probably give BB that look, as much to say, "you better have the goods buddy, cos I'm laying down top pair ( weakish kicker ) because of your bet" and I would then muck my hand.
Obviously no kind of look/stare can be interpreted in that way but you get what I mean. The thing is, everyone is going to see BB's hole cards any time soon anyway, and I'm keeping my mouth shut until I see his cards.

The way it would of ended up then would be that I just say, "nice hand buddy", and mentally pat myself on the back for not saying anything when he threw in that turn bet.

Of course if it turned out that he didn't have my pair of Jacks beat and the all-in player won the pot also not having my pair of Jacks beat, then that would be a different matter and I guess I would be pretty pissed about the whole thing.
I'm unsure what I would say to him then if anything, because at the end of the day I would be well aware that what was taking place until his bet was essentially a form of cheating and I was a part of it.

If you didn't realize deliberate checking down of a hand by 2 or more players in this situation was actually a form of cheating, you do now.
All or most of the posters in this thread would have done it in the past at one time or another, I am pretty certain of that ( they can deny it all day long if they want )

But you verbally discussing it during the hand advertised it was your intention all along, thus confirming you tried to cheat unfortunately.
Posting about it here certainly didn't help matters either as you can now see. So at the end of the day it was a myriad of mistakes on your part but if nothing else you have learned a few valuable lessons which is a positive, right?
 
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You'd love 5-card draw, the checkdown is expected about 95% of hands.
 
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IHe goes on to tell everyone at the table he did the right thing because he was trying to take two people out. My mistake was not pushing after the flop. He wouldve never saw the turn if I had. I thought it was a classic checkdown, but I guess the checkdown is dead. I'm still pissed, and it's been about 24 hours. LOL.

Any thoughts to help me ease the pain??

I don't believe there is a "classic checkdown" at all. If none of players are sure they have top hand, they will check down. Otherwise, there is no point in doing that. He has a hand, he wants money for it, it is that simple. If he was bluffing, then such play would be considered bad, but he wasn't, and everything's ok. Your "pain" reminds me of BB's "pain" when someone raises preflop.
 
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I never thought about adding the limp/punch to my poker repertoire. How profitable is it in terms of bb/hour???

I know you are just kidding, but the two times I've seen it happen at a casino in AC it wasn't very profitable at all...:D
 
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I know you are just kidding, but the two times I've seen it happen at a casino in AC it wasn't very profitable at all...:D

No indeed, because:
 

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