Casino Etiquette

[dmorris68]

While you make some good points, You act like resturant owners are the only people who have these expenses, most stores have rent to pay,, insurance etc.

Of course they do. I only used the restaurant example because YOU did. However this *is* an especially acute problem for restaurants, which I believe are the most common small business while at the same time the small business most likely to fail.

I just feel that 5% is the most that should be expected by anyone for service and let the owners pay them an extra 15% on that $2/hr they get away with paying them anyways. When tips are expected to be a 5th of the bill thats insane,

You tip what you like. It is what it is. US labor laws allow certain jobs to be paid below minimum wage provided that enough tips are available to make up the difference. If you ask most wait staff, I think you'll find that they would prefer to keep the same $2/hr + tips arrangement than a flat minimum wage arrangement, because they make a helluva lot more money on tips (assuming they do a good job). So the arrangement actually benefits everyone. The business owner, because his payroll overhead is lower. The staff, because they make more than they would if they were on a flat wage. And the consumer, who has the flexibility to pay what they want, or nothing if they so desire. You have to realize that tips are often what get you good service. If there were no tips and the business owners had to pay a higher wage, their prices would go up (so you'd pay anyway), and the wait staff would have no incentive to give you good or better service.

WHAT kind of implied on odds would that 1:5 on your money for them, so to switch this around, If I have to bet 20% of my stack with the expectation of winning 5x my stack I should take this bet everytime

Is this the right way to think of this. DANG THE ODDS mess with my mind especially when I only a few seconds to put it all together in my head

Ok... you lost me here. Trying to compare gambling odds with tip percentages doesn't make any sense.

 

[robert_wrath]

Learn from the experience of past. Bare in mind, poker dealers rely solely on earning tips thru players. The card room pays them a daily minimum. The dealers would much rather handle live cash games where the money pours in.

 

[twoturntablez]

5 quid not much
eh

 

[dan abnormal]

the odds things I was just trying to set examples in my mind if I have my mind heading in the right direction as far as thinking about odds or If I even set that example up right nothing really IMPLIED here except ODDs

 

[Misteral]

I live in China and in most restaurants etc if you leave a tip the staff will run down the street after you to give it back. Taxis, hairdressers, bars etc, it's a no tipping culture. I love it!

As for poker I think the winner of any tourney should tip the dealer around 5%. Share the joy!

 

[Rmoneymaker8]

Every day someone posts something that is even more incredible than the day before...

Are you serious? This is like saying IHOP makes billions, so screw the waiters & waitress.

The dealers, bartenders, hostesses, and the vast majority of other casino support staff aren't "making out like fat cats." You aren't tipping the *casino* here.

bad example. When you go to a restaurant you are always getting something back in return. Food. Your meal. When you go to a casino you are taking a risk. There is no risk at a restaurant. In my eyes it is totally different. You dont tip your stock broker when you make money do you? so why would you tip a dealer.

 

[dmorris68]

bad example. When you go to a restaurant you are always getting something back in return. Food. Your meal. When you go to a casino you are taking a risk. There is no risk at a restaurant. In my eyes it is totally different. You dont tip your stock broker when you make money do you? so why would you tip a dealer.

I think it was a rather good example, actually. In fact, better than your stockbroker example. Stockbrokers make commissions. But even that is irrelevant because stockbrokers don't make minimum wage. If dealers and waiters made $100k year in base salary, I don't think tipping would be such an accepted (and expected) practice.

Further, waiters don't "provide" you with food, the restaurant does in exchange for your money. What waiters do provide you with is service, which you pay for with tips. Likewise, dealers (and hosts, and bartenders, et al) are providing you with a service, not a product. The casino is providing the product (the opportunity to gamble, not to mention the tangible sales the casinos make). All the money you pay in rake and food and beverages and rooms and gift shops are going in the fat cats' pockets, not the service staff.

So in that regard, dealers and waiters are extremely similar in their function and their expectation of tips. They're both doing their job for a mediocre salary which is setup on the premise that tips will provide for their shortfall. Your disagreeing with this notion as a matter of principal does not change the reality of it.

 

[Rmoneymaker8]

I think it was a rather good example, actually. In fact, better than your stockbroker example. Stockbrokers make commissions. But even that is irrelevant because stockbrokers don't make minimum wage. If dealers and waiters made $100k year in base salary, I don't think tipping would be such an accepted (and expected) practice.

Further, waiters don't "provide" you with food, the restaurant does in exchange for your money. What waiters do provide you with is service, which you pay for with tips. Likewise, dealers (and hosts, and bartenders, et al) are providing you with a service, not a product. The casino is providing the product (the opportunity to gamble, not to mention the tangible sales the casinos make). All the money you pay in rake and food and beverages and rooms and gift shops are going in the fat cats' pockets, not the service staff.

So in that regard, dealers and waiters are extremely similar in their function and their expectation of tips. They're both doing their job for a mediocre salary which is setup on the premise that tips will provide for their shortfall. Your disagreeing with this notion as a matter of principal does not change the reality of it.

Okay. well i guess ill just go on not tipping dealers and you can. I guess its just a personal choice. And my view is casinos are like politicians. They rob you blind and most people dont even see it.

 

[Misteral]

I agree. It is a personal choice but it does bring to mind the expression 'tight as a duck's arse'............lol

 

[PlayerPlayerAA]

Learn from the experience of past. Bare in mind, poker dealers rely solely on earning tips thru players. The card room pays them a daily minimum. The dealers would much rather handle live cash games where the money pours in.

Very true, and you can see it in the demeanor of the dealers, cause unless the tip is built into the juice(which some places I think it is), they have no idea how well they will be paid at the end.

 

[KINGSIN]

When I play live tour, and win, i base my tip off how well the dealer did.
Its simple if the dealer kept the game moving, didn't talk about bull sh1t, just dealt and didnt make huge errors(split pot wrong, didn't Enforce rules, etc) then I tip good, at least 5%. IF the dealer did the opposite, than screw them, I dont care if I won they affected my hands per hr, and the quality of the game.

 

[Grossberger]

in my opinion,you should not give anything coz u get it ,you have the right to do whatever u want ,don't be forced by anyone got it man?

i believe the government has their hands in your wallet when you win, and so do the dealers, and the casino (rake). But where are they when you lose? they give you a "thanks, better luck next time". So IMO i think no one should be forced to tip, as its your money you took a risk with and won. If you lose the dealer doesnt tip you back. Sorry but the Casinos are making out like fat cats and I feel no sympathy for anyone who tries to screw them out of a few bucks

While you make some good points, You act like resturant owners are the only people who have these expenses, most stores have rent to pay,, insurance etc. I just feel that 5% is the most that should be expected by anyone for service and let the owners pay them an extra 15% on that $2/hr they get away with paying them anyways. When tips are expected to be a 5th of the bill thats insane, WHAT kind of implied on odds would that 1:5 on your money for them, so to switch this around, If I have to bet 20% of my stack with the expectation of winning 5x my stack I should take this bet everytime

Is this the right way to think of this. DANG THE ODDS mess with my mind especially when I only a few seconds to put it all together in my head

Obviously the above have never worked or had family work in industry that relied on tips as additional compensation in their job.