Am I right to assume that in MTTs you need more luck

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MaddB

Rising Star
Than in single table tourneys?

I just thought in MTT's you get put in dangerous situations earlier on (such as all in decisions) so you would need more luck in those to survive. Am I wrong?
 
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Demagog

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I think that luck will not superfluous in any game of poker, not just in MTT
 
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paulsmall007

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Exactly I think luck is an important aspect of winning anything in the "gambling" world, calculated risks. But with that said why is it most of the times you see amateurs mixed with pros in tournaments most of the time it's the pros who are the majority of players left in he field time and time again, can't just be all luck
 
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JT1013

Rising Star
Than in single table tourneys?

I just thought in MTT's you get put in dangerous situations earlier on (such as all in decisions) so you would need more luck in those to survive. Am I wrong?

More luck, or more skill? Playing in a live MTT you can use the large amount of players, and live read & tells to make plays out of the ordinary to net you extra chips compared to your opponents at the table.

I figure it like this though, even with your calculated risks you are at best sometimes a 90% or 95% favorite. Sometimes these risks are for all of your chips, if you can reduce the amount of risk ( don't put all of your chips in the middle unless you already are 100% or have the nuts ) you can avoid having to rely on pure luck. That being said...

A sit & go tournament could be getting all in with a 52% edge more than once, maybe 6-10 times or more. Being in an MTT this number is usually much higher since, through acquiring chips you will be put in even more situations where you are putting all of your chips at risk, and sometimes with a lower % compared to a sit & go. Potentially you could run hot and get very good cards, reducing your opponents %, and raising your % in each situation. If a sit and go is flipping a coin 5 times, and if you got heads 5 times you won. A multi table tournament would be like flipping a coin 25 times, and getting heads 19/25 of those times. You need to end up on the positive side obviously, more times than not to eventually capture all of your opponents chips. An MTT just forces you into more of those situations, over a longer amount of time.:jd4:
 
BigJamo

BigJamo

Aussie Elite
MTT seating is widely to do with this.
Sit n go tables have a set player amount which makes for a set seating value.
 
BlackJesus

BlackJesus

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THe math is simple: the larger the player pool, the larger your luck must be. Even AA vs 72 off suit has a chance to lose. Since with larger player pools you need to have more wins to get to the final table, compared wins you need to have to get to FT with smaller player pool, it should be obvious that the more the tables, the more luck will let you stay afloat. Skill ofcourse eases the path, but the odds make it a mathematical certainty that even the best players of the world can lose against complete newbies, so skill alone will not let you get too far.
 
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bstest

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More luck needed in MTTs. But playing very tight and aggressive early on should preserve or slightly grow your stack. Let the Loose aggressive players go until you get a very good read on them, then trap if you can headsup. Once the BBs become significant, continue to play TAG but widen your range
 
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Jason Yocham

Rising Star
You absolutely need luck but you also need to try to have pre-flop advantages by having a tight range when 9 handed. Once you get to 6 handed and less, you open up your range some more.
 
widron2s

widron2s

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In every game of poker, you need luck. However, the bigger the tournament field the less luck you have to have due to the fact that you can outplay your table and make the money.
 
mammadduke

mammadduke

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I too am always looking for advice.. it really helps with all the feedback here ..thanks guys
 
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Reelmookey

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yea i def agree that in sng the seat is valued much more than in a bit 100 player plus tourney, also people make risk reward decisions horribly quick without being a skilled poker player they just rely on luck
 
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Sourtubbie

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Luck/Variance..The factor definitely increases playing MTT due to the size of the fields but there are ways to counter or lessen the chance by watching dynamics at the table. Bet sizing tells,timing tells and player attacking player over and over preflop. You really can take in so much information and then end up getting switched table! :)
The single table dynamics are very easy to follow,reason players can play so many at one time. They get comfortable with the blind structure and can sit back till a set level,waiting on nut hands and then exploiting blind positions.
 
acemenow

acemenow

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I always feel luck is important. Not sure if everyone thinks this way but I consider it Lucky if I have the nuts and am going against someone hell bent on bluffing me. Too many times I have the nuts and get no action. So luck is not just about getting the cards but the action to capitalize your chip count as well!
 
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