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Knowing tells is great, because you will have a huge advantage over that person, but dont rely on the general tells. Not everyone has the same tell as books seem to tell you. I learned it the hard way. You know how there is a tell that people seem to act strong when they are weak and weak when they are strong? Yeah, that one.. My friend is the total opposite. He acts strong when he has a big hand and weak when he doesnt have it. He doesnt force it to be that way, i guess it comes naturally to him in such a way that when his hand is good he is confident and acts approprietly. Others tend to get nervous when they hit a big hand, some get nervous just because they have to make a move.. First few times and even utill this day when i`m playing money bigger then usual i tend to be very stressed out when its my turn, if one would think that because i`m nervous i have a big hand they would all fold to my raises. Funny my friends always think i have a big hand becaue my hands tend to shake a lot, but they shake if i have a hand and when i`m bluffing.. Everyone has their own tells, so dont rely on the general ones. Before you start thinking someone has a tell, you better get it confirmed few times and even then , consider your opponent. Is he tricky? Does he know about tells? Does this tell seem forced? Good luck..
 
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Gorblid, The best explantion of chris f. and Phil H. behavior is in joe navvaro's book, Read them and Reap. Your question about eye tells is answered very simply. Look at your wife, mother or your children their eyes will assume many shapes under various combinations of emotion. The most basic and forgotten part of using tells is that you must establish a base line behavior first. Example, if you see a neck pulse is it because this is the first time you have looked or is it because the player is experiencing some additional stress. Then you need some additional clues as to the stress cause to be in a position to use this information to your advantage. If you have additional questions post them in this thread and i will answer as i have time.
 
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That isnt true man. Just by looking at the persons neck... Let me explain
to you how poker tells work. When someone has a bad or a good hand
that person might react to that hand happily or sadly... basically they are
expressing their emotions, and if you see those emotions you can know
if the person has a good hand or bad. Now, everyone has different ways
to express their emotions, being either genetic or something obtained
through the course of their lives. A lot of people do however share similar
hints of emotion... and thats exactly what a tell is... a hint of emotion...
but to tell you the truth tells usually only work with more expirienced
players, cause the new poker players generally cant understand the
importance of some great hands, or missing some important flops, which
in turn doesnt reflect in the emotions because they cant understand whats
going on. That might be a reason why you might not be able to read your
girlfriend, but on the other hand maybe her neck doesnt really have a tell.
 
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My apologies to White Lightning, i didin't mean to assault your play or understanding of tells, comepletely not my intent. I agree wholeheartedly that in the beginning players should focus on their own play and strategy development. As your game develops an area that can be developed to take your skills to another level is reading tells. I also agree that Hollywood has overdramatized tell reading but they do it to develop drama and suspense. I'm in the Army and the overdramatize C4 and Handgrenade explosions too. I also am not suggesting that everyone displays all the tells in the books. They are just examples of things to look for. Tells are not only subtle glimpses of emotions of happy or sad that go unmasked. They are also physiological reactions that are in many cases near impossible to control. A great explaination of this in located in a book called "Blink" by malcom Gladwell. It isn't a poker book but it does explain how these physiological reactions give away motives and contribute to subconcious body language. I am not an expert, but i'm getting better everyday. It's all about arming yourself with the right tools. Your knowlege of tells is not an absolute silver bullet but there are times when they help, and every thing that helps, well, helps. :D
 
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Hi guys, thanks a lot for the replies...it did widen my thoughts and learned some new ideas(",). I do agree that you have to have a better understanding with this kind of game and I've been playing poker for 4 years now but I got serious with it just this year. As a poker player... It is one of my biggest goal to become a professional poker player...equipped with the right tools and knowledge so I could win a title some day(",)LOL I hope that is not too much.

Once again(",)thank you guys, you all have a big part on my game.
Have a nice poker day!
 
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Mike Caro's Book of Tells is a good one. Not only does it explain all of these tells, it gives ratings on how accurate he believes each one is. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, even uncontrollable tells like shaking and pulse rate can mean different things with different people. He does talk about seeing the person's pulse in their neck but I haven't been able to see this yet.

Annie Duke has a short video on Netflix about tells and I have spotted a couple of things she mentioned about blinking and self-soothing motions.
 
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Tells are good

If you can get them down you can kill on the tables but you also have watch out for fake ones like the thing where people us them to set you up.
 
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tells are a HUGE part of live play. It is something you have to practice watching for. Studying videos and books is important to get you on teh right track but you have to watch people very closely for very subtle hints. the more you do it successfully the more you can rely on your assessment. When you first start looking for tells, you have to take them all with a grain of salt because the tendency it to imagine tells because you're looking for them. The tell about looking at the neck does suggest seeing the heartbeat in the carotid artery. if you were to pick up on a difference in a player based on that alone you'd have to ask yourself (and it would vary player to player) if it were beating because of being nervous to get caught in a lie, or out of anticipation of the monster they were hiding. The best time to catch a tell is as the new card comes out. Watch the players as the card hits the table, not the card hitting the table. You will catch more in that split second than you ever will once they've had time to digest the new information. If you want to improve your knowlege of tells, check out Carro's Book of Tells. A great read even if you're not convinced it's effective.

Spot on.
I don't know about the neck tell. I play live several nights a week at a local casino. I'll list some tells I'm aware of, it's not a complete list, buying Mike Caro's book of Poker Tells would be very helpful imo.

Keep in mind most (certainly not all) good players will minimize tells or have none that you can see, betting patterns will be your best tells with the good players.

Newer player tells I've observerd:

1. They look directly at you after a large bet or all in. This is a bluff. The look is to try and intimidate you into folding.
2. After a large bet or all in they won't look at you, they hold still, look down or look at the tv like they are disinterested in what you are doing. Fold, they have the nutz.
3. In a decent size pot they throw out a bet equal to or above the pot, this is an attempt to steal. (unless there's a straight or flush draw on flop this might be to get you to fold a draw).
4. They call your bet on flop, turn card comes and they look at their chip stack. This usually means the card hit them and they are intending to bet it.
5. They shake their leg or play with their chips (shuffle chips when they hadn't been doing before). They are nervous. One guy I play with does this when he has a great hand. A few other players I play with do this when they're bluffing. The only difference I've seen so far at where I play is the guy with a good hand shakes his leg like it's crawling with fire ants, the leg goes crazy! The others that seem to bluff more have a much slower shake.
6. They are chewing gum and suddenly stop chewing when a card hits the board - or - they are having a conversation with someone and stops talking - or - they were glancing at the game on tv and suddenly starts paying close attention when the card hits the board - these are all tells that they just hit a card/flop that improved their hand.
7. Talking, is it nervous chatter or babbling? They want you to fold.
8. Drinking - be it water or alcohol - they make a bet and pick up their glass to drink - usually a bluff.
9. Player takes a minute to think before betting, usually he/she has a good hand. He/She's trying to think of how to get the most money out of you.
10. A seemingly newer player quickly overbets the pot, shoves all in. They just flopped the nutz. New players have a tendancy to get excited when they flop the nutz and bet too much too quickly.
11. A players hand is shaking when he bets big, he usually has the nutz and is very excited about it.
12. A player leans forward in his chair when a card hits and he bets out, he has a good hand.
13. A player leans back in his chair after a bet, he's trying to steal.
14. The most dangerous tell that is most of the time accurate: He pushes all in and says "I guess it's time to go home". LOL! Fold!!! He has the nutz!


***Keep in mind good players are aware of most common physical tells and may try to intentially give you a false tell if they think you are an observant player.

The other night I flopped a boat, the guy flopped top pair with top kicker, I reraised him. I first made it look obvious that I was calculating my outs, then I started shuffling my chips, sat back in my seat, reraised him and took a drink of my beverage. He insta reraises me all in - he even said he was sure I looked nervous like I was trying to buy the pot. My plan worked because he was observant and watching me after I took some time to think about what to do. Had he not be an observant player this would not have worked.
 
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If you are watching Phil H or Howard L vidio on tells and you study just the very basics of what they are saying it will help you a lot. I try not to over think it. Just go with what you have learned and your first instint. I am post here mostly because I want to follow this. Very good post!
 
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I've been playing live poker for a long time.Trust me the only time u will see someones neck beating to a pulse is when they are new to live play an have a monster.Just rember how your heart was raceing the first time u ever got quads or aces full.
 
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Wazzup(",)guys!!
My post is really running well and I'm learning a lot from all of you guys. Thanks also to StormRaven, some of the tips that you have given me are new to me.It's going to help me a lot and equipped me with the right knowledge. Hmm I B FREAKY, do you know any sites where I can download or watch videos about tells aside from YouTube? Thank you all(",)and see you all on the poker table...have a nice poker day!!!
 
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We all cant do it

I think that you can tell if you are skilled at watching for that tell. Sometimes the tell is rather obvious the neck maybe sweating or have the strained look, which comes with a huge hand or even a stone cold bluff. Normally the strained look is normally the fright of someone calling and gettig them out. So watch for it, it might make you a lot of money, but is rarely effective on online poker lol:icon_sant
 
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I think tells are a bit tricky because there has been so much emphasis on them that players are faking tells, or playing strong hands inconsistently. I use to be a strong advocate of aggressive play, but I've been learning to soften a bit and can win bigger pots. But I mix it up so as not to be too predictable.
 
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I think tells are a bit tricky because there has been so much emphasis on them that players are faking tells, or playing strong hands inconsistently. I use to be a strong advocate of aggressive play, but I've been learning to soften a bit and can win bigger pots. But I mix it up so as not to be too predictable.

Absolutely! It took me a long time to learn to mix up my play. It wasn't until people stopped calling me when I had great hands, or wouldn't even call my preflop raises (live play) before it occurred to me that my play was predictable. It was then that I decided to start reading some poker books and Harrington's series reinforced mixing up the play.

*Jam Castro - glad I could help! :)
 
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I'm not playing live, and never played before. But I'm playing online a lot. I can't hide my "hand" from the other players, when I bluff or have a great hand I just getting realy nervous. I think that players that are patient and take their time can get a lot of hints from the other players when they play, just by watching from the side. But I'm always saying you can't beat luck, so you need to consider it when you play too.
 
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Every player is different, when I'm playing I watch each player in hands to see if I can pick up something, every player has something whether its betting amounts, some sort of reaction after the flop or just their overall behavior...today I noticed someone would put his chips in to the pot rather softly when he was strong but had a noticeable flick in his wrists and the chips would go out much further and with more speed when he was weaker. Another continually bet 12$ post flop on middle pair and $15 on top pair (1-2 NL game). Another continuously reached for his soda or potato chips following bets he made when he was weak (this one is quite common). I don't like the body language tells as much since sometimes inexperienced players can exhibit things due to being nervous and this can throw you off...the blinking thing does not always work either as I've seen plenty of players stare at the flop without one blink after flopping a monster and most people will tell you a long blank stare generally means a complete miss...usually it does but the 2 out of 10 times it doesnt will smack you if you totally buy into it.
 
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One of the most fun things to do at a poker table is to mention to someone that you have spotted their tell. But not tell them what it is (who cares if you have or haven't)... It throws them completely off balance in every hand that they are now in.

Very very funny to watch as people squirm and try not to show the "tell" that they now know they have.

Try it.
 
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One of the ways you can tell in online poker is how quickly someone whacks their bet in. Obviously some people deliberately vary it, but a lot of people don't. So if they whack their chips all-in really fast, it often means they have a great hand - but not always... :p
 
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i think i would go more by how they play and thier style. if they're good they can trip you up with tells.
my goal is to just learn to fold them if i'm not 99% sure and wait for a better spot. and also learn to put them on a hand, which is more important to me. peace :)
 
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One of the most fun things to do at a poker table is to mention to someone that you have spotted their tell. But not tell them what it is (who cares if you have or haven't)... It throws them completely off balance in every hand that they are now in.

Very very funny to watch as people squirm and try not to show the "tell" that they now know they have.

Try it.

I've done this to people, and it's hillarious to watch them squirm, beg you to tell them what their tell is! LMAO :D :D :D
 
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I really don't think tels are averrated. You can wear sunglasses and a hat or hood but noone can control their breathing. When someone is on a hand they breathe faster. But everyone has their own tells. I play with a guy who shakes just a little when he's got a monster. I bet into him and he raised me. I threw away pocket queens. Someone else called him to the river and he had quad 5s. Hard to muck queens but his shaking told me to. You play enough with someone they will tell you a story if you listen.
 
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Wazzup(",)guys!!
My post is really running well and I'm learning a lot from all of you guys. Thanks also to StormRaven, some of the tips that you have given me are new to me.It's going to help me a lot and equipped me with the right knowledge. Hmm I B FREAKY, do you know any sites where I can download or watch videos about tells aside from YouTube? Thank you all(",)and see you all on the poker table...have a nice poker day!!!

I bought the vidios several years ago. They are cheap! I did not know they are on YouTube.
 
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I'd rather focus on improving your instincts than finding each individuals poker tells. Having a general sense of how a player acts on a hand to hand basis i think is key. I find that its easier to spot bluffs by seeing a player do something that they normally wouldn't do. Any decent player usually tries to disguise a big hand. Although i do notice that in home games, if im dealing and put down a card that completes my draw it's really hard to hide it...
 
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Ok so i was not going to post in this topic, though i should do so anyway...
There are tells in online poker, and i will list some and it is hard to pick up on them.
There bet, it can tell if there chasing a hand, it could also show a bluff.
The time it takes to bet, was it a long time to bet, or did they do it quick.
There are sites that list it but i can not post do to rules.
Thought i do not play the same hand, the same way, it is to cover up my online tells :).....
Also you have to learn it, and pick it up.. but you can pick up online tells, watch out for the ones who do it backwards, and make notes on what he/she did.
 
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