Tyler's Difficult Spot and Study Thread

[LuckyChippy]

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Will read this later tomorrow, good thread.

 

[TylerN]

no grinding updates. last 3 days school/work/friday night have kept me from playing but look to get in a session tmrow

did finish a huge archive of reading that was linked to me and now plan and reading another archive of awesomeness starting maybe rite now. but im tired so we will see

 

[TylerN]

just played a session of about 300 hands so now have only 5.5k hands on Carbon 4nl. pretty boring session somewhat and not a ton of spots but there is a few


Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $4.00
SB: $4.00
BB: $3.91
UTG: $10.35

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has J:heart: K:club:

UTG calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.16, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.38, 2 players) J:spade: 5:spade: A:club:
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.25, UTG calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.88, 2 players) 4:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.58, UTG calls $0.58

River: ($2.04, 2 players) 3:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero checks

villain is 56/11. figured betting flop and turn to get value from Jx and draws and then check river cause i dont see much continuing with. thoughts?


Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $4.00
UTG: $4.00
MP: $4.00
CO: $3.85
BTN: $4.50
SB: $6.75

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has A:club: T:club:

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.16, SB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.32, 2 players) A:heart: 8:club: 4:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.21, SB calls $0.21

Turn: ($0.74, 2 players) Q:spade:
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.74, 2 players) T:heart:
SB bets $0.37, Hero raises to $1.14, SB raises to $6.38 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.49 and is all-in

honestly dont know wat was going on here

bet turn obv and this hand is much easier. as played fold to river 3bet

Edit: why when i put "AP" it turns into Absolute Poker?

 

[TylerN]

Maybe I'll make it back to just study thread cuz I got more responses then

 

[seanDCFC]

just played a session of about 300 hands so now have only 5.5k hands on Carbon 4nl. pretty boring session somewhat and not a ton of spots but there is a few


Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $4.00
SB: $4.00
BB: $3.91
UTG: $10.35

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has J♥ K♣

UTG calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.16, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.38, 2 players) J♠ 5♠ A♣
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.25, UTG calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.88, 2 players) 4♦
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.58, UTG calls $0.58

River: ($2.04, 2 players) 3♦
UTG checks, Hero checks

villain is 56/11. figured betting flop and turn to get value from Jx and draws and then check river cause i dont see much continuing with. thoughts?


Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $4.00
UTG: $4.00
MP: $4.00
CO: $3.85
BTN: $4.50
SB: $6.75

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has A♣ T♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.16, SB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.32, 2 players) A♥ 8♣ 4♠
SB checks, Hero bets $0.21, SB calls $0.21

Turn: ($0.74, 2 players) Q♠
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.74, 2 players) T♥
SB bets $0.37, Hero raises to $1.14, SB raises to $6.38 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.49 and is all-in

honestly dont know wat was going on here

bet turn obv and this hand is much easier. as played fold to river 3bet

Edit: why when i put "Absolute Poker" it turns into Absolute Poker?

First hand I would have played the same. Second, I would have bet the turn (as you said it makes it easier) Im not sure what the right play on the river here is. What are villains stats?

 

[TylerN]

Same villain if I remember correctly. If not I no it was a fish. Normally donks aren't 3bet shoving rivers with air but because we have 2 pair I'm not quite sure about calling the shove

 

[seanDCFC]

Same villain if I remember correctly. If not I no it was a fish. Normally donks aren't 3bet shoving rivers with air but because we have 2 pair I'm not quite sure about calling the shove

I agree, its a tough fold as you have 2 pair, but against passisve donks it is probably a correct fold as we will go to showdown against hands which beat us most of the time here. Unless we have a read that villain will stack off light post-flop. Tbh in game i would probs make a crying call cos i suck

 

[TylerN]

I agree, its a tough fold as you have 2 pair, but against passisve donks it is probably a correct fold as we will go to showdown against hands which beat us most of the time here. Unless we have a read that villain will stack off light post-flop. Tbh in game i would probs make a crying call cos i suck

Ya I tanked for a lil but do feel that it's a fold cuz like u said I think were beat way too often when he shoves.

 

[imwatcher]

For the first hand its pretty standard, second hand I think if its the 56/10 guy then you definately want to fire twice, but vs a solid or even average reg checking behind is a good play as well. The river depends solely on reads, if you think he can do that with 2p then call, if its only sets or straights then you have to fold.. Generally I think calling is okay

 

[TylerN]

For the first hand its pretty standard, second hand I think if its the 56/10 guy then you definately want to fire twice, but vs a solid or even average reg checking behind is a good play as well. The river depends solely on reads, if you think he can do that with 2p then call, if its only sets or straights then you have to fold.. Generally I think calling is okay

If its vs solid player than likely checking back turn for pot contol so ya agreed

Anybody that wants to try to become a good player post in here plz. This is a family thread. U can post hands in here as well if u have a difficult spot and if idk then I'm sure some of the cool regs that are grinding micros on this forum will help ex: dogmeat, deuces, acky, cafeman, sean, imwatcher, luckychippy and so on

 

[TylerN]

played another session so thats 2 today. again played 300 hands for 1hr so im not even gunna say that anymore cuz every session is basically that number. also dont even care about results so i wanna change thread name to something thats not cash game thread

on to the good stuff



Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $3.92
UTG: $1.19
CO: $7.35
BTN: $5.50
Hero (SB): $5.13

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 7:diamond: 7:spade:

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.24, 2 players) 5:spade: 3:spade: 5:heart:
Hero bets $0.18, BB raises to $0.66, fold

villain is unknown. i dont think a lot of people at micros really play draws aggressively. am i missing value here?



Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $4.09
UTG: $1.04
BTN: $8.47
SB: $1.97

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 6:club: 6:spade:

fold, fold, SB raises to $0.10, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.20, 2 players) 7:heart: 5:heart: 7:club:
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.60, 2 players) K:spade:
SB bets $1.67 and is all-in, fold

River: ($0.60, 1 players) Q:diamond:

villain was 80/50 on 10 hands. this hand confused me. such a huge overbet but i really feel like were ahead of his range if you put in FD's, spazzing 5x, and maybe A high

 

[Cafeman]

I think in both of those cases villain hit the flop hard, and you were probably right to fold. That overbet on the second hand, was he just concerned about you hanging around and getting the flush on the cheap?

What's with getting to see that river card after you folded? I've never seen that before.

 

[TylerN]

I think in both of those cases villain hit the flop hard, and you were probably right to fold. That overbet on the second hand, was he just concerned about you hanging around and getting the flush on the cheap?

What's with getting to see that river card after you folded? I've never seen that before.

ya its just a spot thats been happening to me a lot lately and really not quite sure if im playing it correctly

and the villain showed me his hand so on carbon they show what the river card would have been lol its weird and the first time i saw it i thought i called and was like nooo but then it was ok

 

[imwatcher]

Ugh I hate both of those spots, I think in the first hand you are ahead of his range, but he has position so I think he is going to earn more money if you continue folding is probably fine, I also think you will take it down ALOT if you raise to about 1.20, depending on whether he will be folding 2s-9s or even over cards, overall I think vs an unknown a fold is fine.

Second hand I think you want to raise his flop bet for value from overcards, flush draws, straight draws etc, if he 3bets the flop then its an obv fold and if he shows any more agression down the line you can fold..

 

[TylerN]

Ugh I hate both of those spots, I think in the first hand you are ahead of his range, but he has position so I think he is going to earn more money if you continue folding is probably fine, I also think you will take it down ALOT if you raise to about 1.20, depending on whether he will be folding 2s-9s or even over cards, overall I think vs an unknown a fold is fine.

Second hand I think you want to raise his flop bet for value from overcards, flush draws, straight draws etc, if he 3bets the flop then its an obv fold and if he shows any more agression down the line you can fold..

I like raising the flop for the 2nd hand for the reasons u mentioned. Its a really difficult spot

Also if its ok with the mods if anyone has some good reading material they'd like to share feel free to link it in here and I'll do the same

 

[TylerN]

not a great session. hope to get some studying in tonite and then play tmro for about 3hrs or so

Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $4.00
UTG: $3.86
MP: $7.44
CO: $4.06
Hero (BTN): $4.39
SB: $3.65

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has K:diamond: A:club:

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.14, Hero raises to $0.44, fold, fold, CO calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.94, 2 players) K:spade: 5:spade: 8:heart:
CO checks, Hero bets $0.66, CO raises to $2.35, Hero raises to $3.95 and is all-in, CO calls $1.27 and is all-in

Turn: ($8.18, 2 players) 3:heart:

River: ($8.18, 2 players) J:diamond:

enough FD's or Kx's to make call fine? Villain was like 19/6 only 16 hands



Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $3.98
SB: $4.96
Hero (BB): $4.00
UTG: $3.31

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has Q:diamond: 7:diamond:

UTG calls $0.04, fold, fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.10, 2 players) 6:diamond: 8:diamond: T:heart:
Hero bets $0.10, UTG raises to $0.60 Hero?

villain is unknown. just shove here? we have FE and FD. he has like 2.40 left i think

 

[Cafeman]

Hand #1, with no reads, difficult. You've got to be thinking 55 and 88 do this 100% of the time so, if he's got a brain, then obviously he knows that the K hits you hard and therefore he's only c/r with a hand that beats it... or maybe the nut FD (damn!)

Hand #2, I shove in the hope that the FD+gutshot+FE =+ev

 

[orangepeeleo]

Hand 1 - i think this guys got a draw a tiny tiny % of the time, if ever, normally i would say most of the time its 55/88, I wouldnt even say he plays a weaker Kx like that and prob just c/c's it for 3 streets. But he raised pre so if Kx 55/88 and random draws arent in his pf range (which i dont think they are) they can't just show up here in his flop range, the fact that he raised pre confuses me, maybe stick my neck out and say AA lol

EDIT: Didnt take into account the tiny amount of hands so this may be way off, but he looks passive enough to have you beat, i withdraw my AA soul read though as AA/KK prob gets it in pre over a 3bet, still don't think theres any draws here and probs looking at 55/88 with a few Kx's chucked in

Hand 2 - I get it in but its marginal for sure, I don't think we have any fold equity btw

 

[Cafeman]

Hand 1 - the fact that he raised pre confuses me

How you mean? 55 and 88 raise and call a 3bet here no?

Hand 2 - I get it in but its marginal for sure, I don't think we have any fold equity btw

I'm not that sure we don't have any FE, I see some people doing this kind of huge overraise type thing when they put you on collecting the 'dead money'. You're probably right though, he mostly has a hand I guess.

 

[brank]

Hand 1 is a 3 bet pot so very hard to fold it. I think you have to have a very good read on villain to fold it so I think the shove is fine. If he can call a 3 bet with 55/88 he is certainly capable of calling with some suited connectors and baby suited As.

Hand 2, I agree that we have little to no FE here. You have to think about what will call your shove. Obv flopped staights, sets and 2 pair type hands which are basically all in this players range. Better flush draws are also in their range but less likely. You're basically hoping that some sort of combo draw or pair+draw is in their range that will call you here.

 

[TylerN]

@Cafeman: Hand 2 thats along what i was thinking about him putting me on a marginal holding and trying to collect the "dead money"

good responses but still not sure that we have no FE in Hand2

Hand1 like brank said i just think its hard to get away from it in a 3bet pot when surely the only thing he is representing is 55/88 and MAYBE a FD but less likely. its tough

 

[brank]

good responses but still not sure that we have no FE in Hand2

Fair enough, so what kinda range do you give villain that raises your psb 6x in an unraised pot?

 

[TylerN]

Fair enough, so what kinda range do you give villain that raises your psb 6x in an unraised pot?

Villain limped utg and only 4 hands but was 50/0 so we can assume somewat of a fish. He could be doing this with any SD, Tx and maybe 8x trying to bluff us off a draw cuz he's a fish

 

[brank]

So I just stoved a range and I am surprised with the outcome.

I think his range is super wide for sure so that has to include the flopped straights, sets, 2 pair hands and some combo draws.

97,TT,88,66,T8,T6,86 are deff possibilities.

T9,T7,T6,96,98,87,76,77,99 and some random Tx hands and pretty much a lot of FDs too. If we can assume they would raise all pp>TT and big AJd+ hands then we can discount those.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.283% 44.84% 01.44% 76803 2465.50 { Qd7d }
Hand 1: 53.717% 52.28% 01.44% 89536 2465.50 { TT-66, ATs, Ad9d, Ad7d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KdJd, KTs, Kd9d, QdJd, QTs, Qd9d, JTs, Jd9d, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo, T6o+, 96o+, 86o+, 76o }

VS this super wide range we actually have decent equity. What do you think about that range?

EDIT: I just noticed that I left out some worse FDs and some total air hands. It added about 3% to our equity.

 

[bgomez89]

Hand 2 - I get it in but its marginal for sure, I don't think we have any fold equity btw

if you think we have no FE why would you get it in with this hand? Would you do it if he showed you a set or a flopped straight and told you he wasn't folding?

So I just stoved a range and I am surprised with the outcome.

I think his range is super wide for sure so that has to include the flopped straights, sets, 2 pair hands and some combo draws.

97,TT,88,66,T8,T6,86 are deff possibilities.

T9,T7,T6,96,98,87,76,77,99 and some random Tx hands and pretty much a lot of FDs too. If we can assume they would raise all pp>TT and big AJd+ hands then we can discount those.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.237% 52.44% 00.79% 46728 706.00 { { TT-66, ATs, Ad9d, Ad7d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KdJd, KTs, Kd9d, QdJd, QTs, Qd9d, JTs, Jd9d, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo, T6o+, 96o+, 86o+, 76o }
Hand 1: 46.763% 45.97% 00.79% 40960 706.00 { Qd7d }

VS this super wide range we actually have decent equity. What do you think about that range?

EDIT: I just noticed that I left out some worse FDs and some total air hands. It added about 3% to our equity.

I don't think that he has T6 in his range tbh or worse FDs. This is 4nl so most people are not semibluffing. I gave him a narrower range but we have about the same equity:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.237% 52.44% 00.79% 46728 706.00 { TT-88, 66, AdKd, AdTd, KTs, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, 86s, ATo, KTo, T9o, 97o+, 86o }
Hand 1: 46.763% 45.97% 00.79% 40960 706.00 { Qd7d }
I still hate getting it in here, we only have invested 14 cents come on there's better spots...