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TheHoag57
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Silver Level
You're experience and mine are about the same. A no doubt negative return.
Double-A
Visionary
Silver Level
Suited connectors are trash. Brunson's take on them is from a very specific type of game and under very specific conditions.
If you're going to see a cheap multi-way pot (3+ limpers) then go ahead and take a look. If the pot has been raised and there's any other actions then it's time to muck.
If a tight player makes a small/standard raise and you can play him heads up in position then you might take a shot. You're hoping that he has Aces (or another big hand) and that he'll over play it.
For example, tight player raises 3xBB with AA. Folded to you on the button with 57s, you call. Flop comes down Q64 with two of your suit, or 857, or 864 rainbow. AA is in some trouble and you have a chance to get his whole stack.
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tas02
Rising Star
Bronze Level
It doesn't have to hit that often to be profitable. Just remember to not invest too much in it. If you lose 3BB 5 times and then win 20BB when you hit it, it's still +EV.
The problem is when you play them too often for too big a raise and refuse to give them up when you flop middle pair, etc.
The problem is when you play them too often for too big a raise and refuse to give them up when you flop middle pair, etc.
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iluvdahate
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Silver Level
best advice i ever heard from dolly about online poker was to play the nuts and everything close to it but not much else. in other words use the position but be selective and know that folding is just as good as winning a pot sometimes. gl and play on.
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TheHoag57
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Silver Level
best advice i ever heard from dolly about online poker was to play the nuts and everything close to it but not much else. in other words use the position but be selective and know that folding is just as good as winning a pot sometimes. gl and play on.
[Good advice. If you think about poker as one, long, continuous game, your philosophy is hard to argue with. Thanks for sharing.]
Cowboy8112
Visionary
Silver Level
Ok, Im seeing some really strange thoughts on what "connectors" are by some very good players........cards to not have to be 67 89 34 to be connected, any two cards that can make a straight on the flop are connected....26,37,48,59,610,7J,8Q,9K and 10A are all connectors.
Depending on the situation at the table, seeing a flop with these when suited is not a "donk" play
Again, suited connectors are a "situational" hand.
Depending on the situation at the table, seeing a flop with these when suited is not a "donk" play
Again, suited connectors are a "situational" hand.
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markpro
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Suited connectors main purpose is to catch. Now your method is interesting cause u can bluff it out afterwards, and its nice... plenty of ppl do it to to get ppl ofguard so that when they do get the flush or straight, no one knows. The one thing u might have flawd though is if you do it most of the time. Ppl catch on to these things and you should always vary your play if you wanna be a good poker player. Have fun on the tables! .
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CanOkie
Enthusiast
Silver Level
That's a tough one, I kinda wondered the same thing but the conclusion I've come to is that Suited Connectors are a gold mine. Depending on if I'm early, mid or late position and the complexity of the table or other players, I might just call and hope to get "lucky." i might raise if the time is right. Remember, the potential is good but don't get married to the hand. I would use selective aggression with the suited connectors. If you are continuation betting make sure it's a strong enough bet to scare them off. Good tip: players pick up on this betting trend quickly, so you have to mix it up or we'll see right through you...on second thought.....where to you play? Just kidding
I've found that knowing odds (pot or implied) help make smart decisions on future streets.
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azbo
Enthusiast
Silver Level
this is exactly opposite of reality. I think if you actually created a spread sheet and started tracking your hands in tourneys you would find that you can get paid off a lot more with suited connectors or 10-8, j-9, q-10 than you can with AA. If you play them correctly suited connectors are a double up, or eliminate your opponent kind of hand. Not only is it a lot harder to extract maximum value with AA or KK, alot of the time if you try and gt called you've run into a straight or a set. AA or KK rarely becomes the nuts, so you're always playing them in a situation that includes some risk to you and thus extracting maximum value is not only more complicated it has a large potential downside. In the situations when AA or KK becomes the nuts or second nuts to something like K-10-10 (where you have KK) you usually only get to double up if someone had A-10 or 10x where x comes on the board. When I have J-9 I'm hoping we have a community pot and I'm hoping someone catches 2 pair or even a set when I catch 10-8-7. As long as the board never pairs and there aren't 3 of a suit, you're in command and it's your job to try and read who has a set, a flush draw or something like A-10/87
Hands that are 3 apart actually suck. They have all of the weaknesses of suited connectors without the biggest potential upside. 2 gap is far superior and 1 or none is ideal. The HUGE problem with a 3 gapper is you never have the nuts. (unless you're holding A-10) there is always a possibility you're on the wrong end of things so instead of just watching out for a boat or flush if you make the straight you have to be cautious. Hands where you can't "know" you have the nuts are never going to give you the opportunity to apply maximum pressure without any repurcusions. When you have the nuts the betting algorythm changes to "how do I get the fishy to give me the maximum pay off" instead of "does the reraise mean he has me beat"?.
Bottom line with 2, 1, 0 gaps, you're looking for one or both of your cards to be the top end of the straight, or at least both your cards are required to make anystraight at all. If you have J9 and the flop is 10, Q, K you can't really make the same moves you can as if the flop was q-8-10 or even better 10-7-8.
The other problem with 3 gappers is the math changes as the gap gets bigger the smaller chance you have of making a straight that involves both your hole cards. Most importantly 3 gappers don't get you doubled up (unless you're wreckless) because if you play them to double, you'll possibly be the one who doubles someone else.
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RickH2005
Legend
Silver Level
Kinda......
I LOVE getting sooted conectors in the BB and I only gotta check! At least then I get to see the flop--AND A-K sooted isn't all that great, really as far as catching the straight goes--it's good as far as catching a flush goes--but then so is A anything sooted good fer that! AND I gotta say I DO hate layin' them down, but it's been my experiance that they miss more than they hit! So I guess it all really hinges on position as well as what ya gotta call, chip wise!
I LOVE getting sooted conectors in the BB and I only gotta check! At least then I get to see the flop--AND A-K sooted isn't all that great, really as far as catching the straight goes--it's good as far as catching a flush goes--but then so is A anything sooted good fer that! AND I gotta say I DO hate layin' them down, but it's been my experiance that they miss more than they hit! So I guess it all really hinges on position as well as what ya gotta call, chip wise!
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azbo
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Of course they miss more than they hit. Pocket 8's only become trips 1 time in 5 but people still love to see a flop with them because there's a chance to extract a huge payout. Flop comes K83 and someone makes a continuation bet, you have a lot of options and your expected ROI is way beyond the cost of the 4 calls where you missed completely. You have to understand implied odds if you want to win tourney's on a regular basis.I LOVE getting sooted conectors in the BB and I only gotta check! At least then I get to see the flop--AND A-K sooted isn't all that great, really as far as catching the straight goes--it's good as far as catching a flush goes--but then so is A anything sooted good fer that! AND I gotta say I DO hate layin' them down, but it's been my experiance that they miss more than they hit! So I guess it all really hinges on position as well as what ya gotta call, chip wise!