Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

Figaroo2 · Jul 30, 2015

First hand with QQ, I think you played it fine just sucks that you ran into JT here. Why aren't we sitting with a full stack btw, if the QQ had held there's 24bb missed?
AJ os in the SB is hard to play, personally I'd squeeze or fold, the button stats look good so getting paid oop is going to be difficult when just calling in that spot. Actually thinking about it Id probably just fold pre.
John please can you clarify on the AK hand, what do you think is the best action on the turn?

or3o1990 · Jul 30, 2015

With your stack size, there's really not much more you can do here. It's most profitable to get it in on the turn here vs his range. The silly thing to me is that with all this meme talk lately about players not defending enough in the BB, people are calling so ridiculously wide now. I can't wait to see all of the new BB loss numbers this coming year. I mean, he's tight, but I'd bet a nickle he's calling here because of the current "school of thought" on blind play. But how is it going to be profitable to play a hand vs another regs UTG range OOP as a 2:1 dog vs their range. It's just silly to me.

I know what you're talking about. I was on that bandwagon but I've been tightening up a bit from the blinds.. I was giving him credit as being pretty solid and I realized he was playing a bit tight too. So I never would have put him on the J 10 because I'm sure he's aware of what an Utg opening range looks like and I figured him to more likely have AK or A9 or 99 possibly.

Any chance if you 3-bet the position raise, you get this hand HU's versus either fish? Or you're just bloating the pot vs several players that won't fold?

I think once you hit your money card, with your stack size and the board, I don't think there's much more you can do. You could bet small on the turn hoping to induce a combo shove, but not sure it makes much difference.

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I think in many circumstances yes. I may get the btn raiser to fold and get heads up against one of the limpers. But I don't think so given the btn's hand this time. Also, I'm not very comfortable 3 betting AJ, especially oop. Unless I know a lot about my opponent I'm just never sure exactly where I stand when an ace flops. Against this particular opponent I wouldn't be very confident that I was ahead once he calls my cbet. Until that turn. Then I'm sure I'm ahead and I get all the money in lol!

First hand with QQ, I think you played it fine just sucks that you ran into JT here. Why aren't we sitting with a full stack btw, if the QQ had held there's 24bb missed?
AJ os in the SB is hard to play, personally I'd squeeze or fold, the button stats look good so getting paid oop is going to be difficult when just calling in that spot. Actually thinking about it Id probably just fold pre.

I probably lost a few hands is all. I don't generally rebuy until I'm under 30 bb. I can't ever fold that here I don't think that his bet means he's necessarily very strong. it's just appropriate given the limps. I was going to give up on the turn though. If that jack hadn't come.

Thanks for the input guys. Like I said above, I've been having a hard time gaining any traction lately and the lines between play bad and run bad sometimes can get a bit blurry. I just got unlucky and to me that's good news!

or3o1990 · Jul 30, 2015

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG+1): 182.35 BB
MP: 48.65 BB (VPIP: 46.88, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 64)
MP+1: 52.6 BB (VPIP: 38.89, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
MP+2: 115.6 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 4.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)
CO: 140.45 BB (VPIP: 36.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
BTN: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 122.35 BB (VPIP: 15.94, PFR: 11.59, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)
BB: 114.55 BB (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: 128.1 BB (VPIP: 58.62, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 29)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7♥ 7♠

UTG raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, MP calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 12 BB, fold, UTG calls 10 BB, fold, MP calls 10 BB

Flop: (39 BB, 3 players) 7♣ 5♣ T♦
SB bets 21 BB, fold, MP raises to 36.65 BB and is all-in, SB calls 15.65 BB

Does anybody call here?

Figaroo2 · Jul 31, 2015

I'm folding, if we start calling 12bb to see a pocket pair its a slippery slope. I'd want to be really deep stacked to play this here. 122bb effective isn't enough for me to consider it
Obviously you are going to get great implied odds on this particular hand which is tempting, but the SB looks like a reg and mp only has 48bb so its an insta fold for me. I might play multi-handed if they are really weak calling stations or really aggro three barrellers so there is more chance of getting paid off. Usually I draw the line at 5bb to see a flop with a low/medium pair.

Figaroo2 · Jul 31, 2015

Interesting hand...versus aggressive reg

When I played this hand I hated myself for not raising pre but there are two fish on my left which tempted me to flat I want them to come along, sure enough they do and we end up with a pot 30bb bigger than usual thanks to the fish. The bad part is I'm quite deep with the aggressive barreling reg and didn't get full stacks in. This seems like a fine line this hand, I'm wondering whether or not I'm deep enough versus the reg to forget about the fish and just raise pre.

Hand History for Game (IPoker)
£10.00 GBP NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, July 30, 10:10:52 ET 2015
Table Premium Table 6j (real money)
Seat 8 is the button
BB: Player1 ( £9.26 GBP ) - VPIP: 39, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 2.4, Hands: 160
UTG: Player3 ( £10.00 GBP ) - VPIP: 76, PFR: 26, 3B: 14, AF: 0.6, Hands: 34
MP: Player5 ( £3.59 GBP ) - VPIP: 49, PFR: 8, 3B: 12, AF: 1.5, Hands: 99
BTN: Player8 ( £20.61 GBP ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 2.5, Hands: 610
SB: Hero ( £17.46 GBP ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 17 3B: 4, AF: 2.0, Hands: 80588
Hero posts small blind [£0.05 GBP].
Player1 posts big blind [£0.10 GBP].
Player3 posts big blind [£0.10 GBP].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ah As ]
MP calls [£0.10 GBP]
BTN raises [£0.50 GBP]
Hero calls [£0.45 GBP]
BB folds
UTG calls [£0.40 GBP]
MP calls [£0.40 GBP]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, 8s, 6c ] as we hoped the fish came along and reasonable flop for our aces
Hero checks
UTG checks
MP checks
BTN bets [£1.05 GBP]
Hero calls [£1.05 GBP] The bettor is aggressive and may bet again, if I raise here into 4 players I will probably only get called by a set or tptk. I call.
UTG calls [£1.05 GBP]
MP calls [£1.05 GBP]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ] looks like another good card to let him barrel. Little bit concerned this card might help the fish.
Hero checks
UTG checks
MP checks
BTN bets [£3.15 GBP]
Hero calls [£3.15 GBP] OK He has something here now still betting into 4 players KK QQ JJ QJ AJ 88 KJ JT 97 look favorite in that sort of order but we crush most of his range.
UTG folds
MP folds
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ] not the greatest but having called the turn I'd decided I was calling pretty much every river, I might have folded to another J.
BTN bets [£6.30 GBP] OK there is still some chance he has KK JJ 88 97 so I'm just going to call.
Hero calls [£6.30 GBP]
Pot 110bb

or3o1990 · Jul 31, 2015

With those 7's I agree, it was just too much to call there. I knew if I hit my 7 I would get paid but with the price being to so high it's maybe barely profitable to call here.

With the aces I also have to agree. You should have raised preflop. Your bringing along an extra .80 cents to the flop but killing the equity of your aces. If you 3x and the btn calls then there's more in the pot already and you keep your equity. After you chose to call though I would maybe raise the flop but calling down is fine I think.

John A · Aug 1, 2015

or3o1990 said:
I know what you're talking about. I was on that bandwagon but I've been tightening up a bit from the blinds.. I was giving him credit as being pretty solid and I realized he was playing a bit tight too. So I never would have put him on the J 10 because I'm sure he's aware of what an Utg opening range looks like and I figured him to more likely have AK or A9 or 99 possibly.

Good. Ya, it's another one of those bad poker meme's that get passed on. There's truth that a lot of people under defend, but you have to understand what the proper balance is.

I think in many circumstances yes. I may get the btn raiser to fold and get heads up against one of the limpers. But I don't think so given the btn's hand this time. Also, I'm not very comfortable 3 betting AJ, especially oop. Unless I know a lot about my opponent I'm just never sure exactly where I stand when an ace flops. Against this particular opponent I wouldn't be very confident that I was ahead once he calls my cbet. Until that turn. Then I'm sure I'm ahead and I get all the money in lol!

Well, the BTN raisers range is going to be pretty wide there vs 2 limpers. It turns out he actually had a hand, so he's of course not folding if you 3-bet, but I'm putting it out there as an option in the future to consider.

John A · Aug 1, 2015

or3o1990 said:
PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG+1): 182.35 BB
MP: 48.65 BB (VPIP: 46.88, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 64)
MP+1: 52.6 BB (VPIP: 38.89, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
MP+2: 115.6 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 4.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)
CO: 140.45 BB (VPIP: 36.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
BTN: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 122.35 BB (VPIP: 15.94, PFR: 11.59, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)
BB: 114.55 BB (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: 128.1 BB (VPIP: 58.62, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 29)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7♥ 7♠

UTG raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, MP calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 12 BB, fold, UTG calls 10 BB, fold, MP calls 10 BB

Flop: (39 BB, 3 players) 7♣ 5♣ T♦
SB bets 21 BB, fold, MP raises to 36.65 BB and is all-in, SB calls 15.65 BB

Does anybody call here?

It's pretty close really. With the fish in there and calling and MP behind there, it's a lot of chances to get paid if you do hit. But MW you don't know what the real effective stack will end up being because you may only get paid by the fish. This is one of those classical it depends spots. How are these other guys running, how active have you been, etc... But a fold isn't bad here of course with what might be a 10% effective stack call.

John A · Aug 1, 2015

Figaroo2 said:
When I played this hand I hated myself for not raising pre but there are two fish on my left which tempted me to flat I want them to come along, sure enough they do and we end up with a pot 30bb bigger than usual thanks to the fish. The bad part is I'm quite deep with the aggressive barreling reg and didn't get full stacks in. This seems like a fine line this hand, I'm wondering whether or not I'm deep enough versus the reg to forget about the fish and just raise pre.

Hand History for Game (IPoker)
£10.00 GBP NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, July 30, 10:10:52 ET 2015
Table Premium Table 6j (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
BB: Player1 ( £9.26 GBP ) - VPIP: 39, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 2.4, Hands: 160
UTG: Player3 ( £10.00 GBP ) - VPIP: 76, PFR: 26, 3B: 14, AF: 0.6, Hands: 34
MP: Player5 ( £3.59 GBP ) - VPIP: 49, PFR: 8, 3B: 12, AF: 1.5, Hands: 99
BTN: Player8 ( £20.61 GBP ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 2.5, Hands: 610
SB: Hero ( £17.46 GBP ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 17 3B: 4, AF: 2.0, Hands: 80588
Hero posts small blind [£0.05 GBP].
Player1 posts big blind [£0.10 GBP].
Player3 posts big blind [£0.10 GBP].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ah As ]
MP calls [£0.10 GBP]
BTN raises [£0.50 GBP]
Hero calls [£0.45 GBP]
BB folds
UTG calls [£0.40 GBP]
MP calls [£0.40 GBP]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, 8s, 6c ] as we hoped the fish came along and reasonable flop for our aces
Hero checks
UTG checks
MP checks
BTN bets [£1.05 GBP]
Hero calls [£1.05 GBP] The bettor is aggressive and may bet again, if I raise here into 4 players I will probably only get called by a set or tptk. I call.
UTG calls [£1.05 GBP]
MP calls [£1.05 GBP]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ] looks like another good card to let him barrel. Little bit concerned this card might help the fish.
Hero checks
UTG checks
MP checks
BTN bets [£3.15 GBP]
Hero calls [£3.15 GBP] OK He has something here now still betting into 4 players KK QQ JJ QJ AJ 88 KJ JT 97 look favorite in that sort of order but we crush most of his range.
UTG folds
MP folds
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ] not the greatest but having called the turn I'd decided I was calling pretty much every river, I might have folded to another J.
BTN bets [£6.30 GBP] OK there is still some chance he has KK JJ 88 97 so I'm just going to call.
Hero calls [£6.30 GBP]
Pot 110bb

If I'm going to slow play pre in this kind of spot which can get hairy MW, I'm leading nearly 100% of the time on the flop against fish. I don't want the fish to check, and then because it's MW the pre-flop raiser (reg) checks through. Plus I can just bet bet shove and get called most of the time.

As played, I'm not sure what indicators you have on saying he's really aggro. If so, then the post flop play is OK I guess. If you start taking charge on the turn he might get suspicious. I guess the K is a decent bluff card. But in general, unless someone is really showing themselves to be aggro, I think you just end up leveling yourself at these limits playing the check call game.

or3o1990 · Aug 2, 2015

Anybody find a fold here?

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 9.62, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)
CO: 136.1 BB (VPIP: 22.54, PFR: 12.68, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 74)
BTN: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
SB: 153.95 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 5.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
Hero (BB): 148.15 BB
UTG: 43.86 BB (VPIP: 16.18, PFR: 1.47, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 71)
UTG+1: 99.82 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 99 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP+1: 105.05 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:heart: A:spade:

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 6 BB

Flop: (18.5 BB, 2 players) J:heart: 6:diamond: 8:club:
Hero bets 8 BB, BTN raises to 18 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (54.5 BB, 2 players) T:diamond:
Hero checks, BTN bets 38.33 BB, Hero raises to 95.2 BB, BTN calls 34.17 BB and is all-in

River: (199.5 BB, 2 players) 5:spade:

BTN shows J:spade: J:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows A:heart: A:spade: (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
BTN wins 196.5 BB

I think I'm starting to realize that people don't play tp so agg like this. Unless I've given them a reason to by being a maniac. But my thought process says it's more likely he has kk or qq than jj here so idk.

duggs · Aug 2, 2015

or3o1990 said:
Anybody find a fold here?

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 9.62, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)
CO: 136.1 BB (VPIP: 22.54, PFR: 12.68, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 74)
BTN: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
SB: 153.95 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 5.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
Hero (BB): 148.15 BB
UTG: 43.86 BB (VPIP: 16.18, PFR: 1.47, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 71)
UTG+1: 99.82 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 99 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP+1: 105.05 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ A♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 6 BB

Flop: (18.5 BB, 2 players) J♥ 6♦ 8♣
Hero bets 8 BB, BTN raises to 18 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (54.5 BB, 2 players) T♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 38.33 BB, Hero raises to 95.2 BB, BTN calls 34.17 BB and is all-in

River: (199.5 BB, 2 players) 5♠

BTN shows J♠ J♦ (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows A♥ A♠ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
BTN wins 196.5 BB

I think I'm starting to realize that people don't play tp so agg like this. Unless I've given them a reason to by being a maniac. But my thought process says it's more likely he has kk or qq than jj here so idk.

the fact he doesn't have auto top up on makes me want to fold here, i think people typically under bluff these middling boards. either folding flop or planning on gii, don't see any reason to call flop and fold on blanks

or3o1990 · Aug 2, 2015

duggs said:
the fact he doesn't have auto top up on makes me want to fold here, i think people typically under bluff these middling boards. either folding flop or planning on gii, don't see any reason to call flop and fold on blanks

How often do you think you just fold the flop here? I can't ever find that fold.. I play against anonymous villains so I rarely have a chance to pick up on anyone's bluffing tendencies. So I end up playing a lot of these spots this way and if they have it they have it pretty much..

or3o1990 · Aug 2, 2015

I also have a question about buy in amounts. I'm about to move up to 200nl and I've been considering buying in with 50bb and adding more if the table is good. Any input on this is appreciated!

Figaroo2 · Aug 3, 2015

Man I hate these spots and Im probably stacked as well here if im multi tabling. I dont see he can have KK here, that hand is 4 betting nearly always. QQ might flat pre but does it raise the flop, maybe some times. The flop raise is nearly always trouble here its QQ AJ or a set. As I have been 3betting more recently im suprised and keep getting stacked by villians calling threebets with small pairs and hitting sets.
If I thought about it properly in play the evidence of the committing turn bet might make me fold. Ive lost a lot of money with aces in these circs recently.

Figaroo2 · Aug 3, 2015

or3o1990 said:
I also have a question about buy in amounts. I'm about to move up to 200nl and I've been considering buying in with 50bb and adding more if the table is good. Any input on this is appreciated!

I had a 100nl session shot a few months ago and played it with a short stack 30bb and stuck to a very tight short stack strategy looking to get it in preflop or on the flop with premium cards. Most of the players seemed clueless against it and I doubled up at least 4 times in the session. To be fair I see very few competent short stackers about these days, it definitely seems a viable strategy for shot taking whilst you find your feet and assess the play at a new level. In fact I might have another go myself.

duggs · Aug 3, 2015

or3o1990 said:
How often do you think you just fold the flop here? I can't ever find that fold.. I play against anonymous villains so I rarely have a chance to pick up on anyone's bluffing tendencies. So I end up playing a lot of these spots this way and if they have it they have it pretty much..

Oh it's bovada? I read the guys stats in the hand

John A · Aug 3, 2015

or3o1990 said:
Anybody find a fold here?

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 9.62, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)
CO: 136.1 BB (VPIP: 22.54, PFR: 12.68, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 74)
BTN: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
SB: 153.95 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 5.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
Hero (BB): 148.15 BB
UTG: 43.86 BB (VPIP: 16.18, PFR: 1.47, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 71)
UTG+1: 99.82 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 99 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP+1: 105.05 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ A♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 6 BB

Flop: (18.5 BB, 2 players) J♥ 6♦ 8♣
Hero bets 8 BB, BTN raises to 18 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (54.5 BB, 2 players) T♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 38.33 BB, Hero raises to 95.2 BB, BTN calls 34.17 BB and is all-in

River: (199.5 BB, 2 players) 5♠

BTN shows J♠ J♦ (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows A♥ A♠ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
BTN wins 196.5 BB

I think I'm starting to realize that people don't play tp so agg like this. Unless I've given them a reason to by being a maniac. But my thought process says it's more likely he has kk or qq than jj here so idk.

Well, he seems like he might be a bit fishy, so I'm going to assume he's a little more on the passive side until I have more info. But yes, because his range can have QQ/KK and he could raise here I think you need to stack off here.

The only thing I'd ask though is why the flop under bet? You're opening up someone's bluff range, and if you're unsure if you want to get it in on this kind of flop, why open up that range and complicate the hand?

or3o1990 · Aug 3, 2015

I had a 100nl session shot a few months ago and played it with a short stack 30bb and stuck to a very tight short stack strategy looking to get it in preflop or on the flop with premium cards. Most of the players seemed clueless against it and I doubled up at least 4 times in the session. To be fair I see very few competent short stackers about these days, it definitely seems a viable strategy for shot taking whilst you find your feet and assess the play at a new level. In fact I might have another go myself.

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I'm realizing I don't like playing with 50bb but I don't mind buying in with it then adding shortly after if I can't double up first. I would agree that a lot of players don't adjust well to different stack sizes which is an advantage but you have so few options when short, idk.

Give it a shot man. Worse that can happen is you loos a few bucks and end up back where you were. That's what has happened to me the past two shots I've taken but it's no biggie..

Oh it's bovada? I read the guys stats in the hand

Yup it's on bovada. It's converted while I play with the bovada hh converter so I can now run my HUD, courtesy of John!

The only thing I'd ask though is why the flop under bet? You're opening up someone's bluff range, and if you're unsure if you want to get it in on this kind of flop, why open up that range and complicate the hand?

I was in a results oriented train of thought when I posted. I bet like that because I wanted him to bluff or overplay a pair with the intention of getting it in. I think without any reads of him being super nitty I'm happy getting it in here. People will overplay pairs if given the chance.

or3o1990 · Aug 3, 2015

Against a couple of nits here. I figured it would I would get a fold often enough pre or to a c bet. Flopped some goodness just didn't get there. What do you guys think? A for effort?

PokerStars - $2 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 41.39 BB (VPIP: 17.44, PFR: 9.30, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 88)
MP: 26.4 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 211.29 BB (VPIP: 16.28, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 86)
BTN: 84.98 BB (VPIP: 28.95, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
Hero (SB): 93.73 BB
BB: 41.49 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 3.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5♥ 6♥

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB, BTN calls 7 BB

Flop: (31 BB, 3 players) 4♣ 7♥ 2♠
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (31 BB, 3 players) K♠
Hero bets 18 BB, fold, BTN raises to 36 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

River: (103 BB, 2 players) 9♦
Hero checks, BTN raises to 38.98 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 101.5 BB

John A · Aug 4, 2015

or3o1990 said:
I was in a results oriented train of thought when I posted. I bet like that because I wanted him to bluff or overplay a pair with the intention of getting it in. I think without any reads of him being super nitty I'm happy getting it in here. People will overplay pairs if given the chance.

If that was the plan, why didn't get get it in? :icon_bigs

John A · Aug 4, 2015

or3o1990 said:
Against a couple of nits here. I figured it would I would get a fold often enough pre or to a c bet. Flopped some goodness just didn't get there. What do you guys think? A for effort?

PokerStars - $2 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 41.39 BB (VPIP: 17.44, PFR: 9.30, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 88)
MP: 26.4 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 211.29 BB (VPIP: 16.28, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 86)
BTN: 84.98 BB (VPIP: 28.95, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
Hero (SB): 93.73 BB
BB: 41.49 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 3.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5♥ 6♥

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB, BTN calls 7 BB

Flop: (31 BB, 3 players) 4♣ 7♥ 2♠
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (31 BB, 3 players) K♠
Hero bets 18 BB, fold, BTN raises to 36 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

River: (103 BB, 2 players) 9♦
Hero checks, BTN raises to 38.98 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 101.5 BB

Squeeze size pre is too small. It needs to be around 14. I'm not a fan of squeezing these low SC's OOP, as you may know. Any ways, as played, bet the flop. Why are you throwing in the towel there? Were you planning on check / folding the flop?

John A · Aug 4, 2015

On a small personal side note, I'm going to be playing a lot more again. I've just been donking around working on business stuff the last 1.5 or so, but I plan to get into high stakes games again, and I'd like to be playing against the best players once again. So I'm making some personal goals for this next year to push myself once again.

duggs · Aug 4, 2015

or3o1990 said:
Against a couple of nits here. I figured it would I would get a fold often enough pre or to a c bet. Flopped some goodness just didn't get there. What do you guys think? A for effort?

PokerStars - $2 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 41.39 BB (VPIP: 17.44, PFR: 9.30, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 88)
MP: 26.4 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 211.29 BB (VPIP: 16.28, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 86)
BTN: 84.98 BB (VPIP: 28.95, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
Hero (SB): 93.73 BB
BB: 41.49 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 3.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5♥ 6♥

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB, BTN calls 7 BB

Flop: (31 BB, 3 players) 4♣ 7♥ 2♠
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (31 BB, 3 players) K♠
Hero bets 18 BB, fold, BTN raises to 36 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

River: (103 BB, 2 players) 9♦
Hero checks, BTN raises to 38.98 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 101.5 BB

pre needs to be a little bit bigger, bet flop? hoping you are x/r but regardless the range they plan to b/f is going to be too narrow and their xb ranges are too wide for us not to cbet here.

Figaroo2 · Aug 4, 2015

Yes I agree on the 56 hand. If you are going to squeeze make it big and the reasons are twofold. first id be looking to take this down preflop. Secondly if you do get called it allows you to make a bigger cbet bluff on appropriate boards. You know you are going to have to bluff in this spot a ton so give yourself some leverage with bigger sizing.
I would 100% bet this flop pretty big as its likely to have missed them and is your best chance of winning the hand. You have repped big pre so bet the flop tight players will fold a lot of high cards at that point. Once the K comes its likely to hit their ranges pretty hard at that point I want it cheap as to draw and leaving ammo behind if a bluff shove opportunity arrives on the river, not that there are many scare cards.

or3o1990 · Aug 4, 2015

Ok ill make it bigger next time. I didnt cbet on the flop because i don't usually play my monsters that way and i was thinking that my bluff line should look like my value hands would? Also, once i actually floppped a strong draw i wanted to see cards and not get blown off my hand.

The only benifit i can see to betting the flop is that my equity is higher before i miss the turn. But if im the oringinal raiser or the btn im not folding much of what im calling a 3 bet with to a cbet on this flop? Please correct me if im thinking wrong..

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